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Kevin 09-22-2008 07:54 PM

2008 Presidential Election: Who are you voting for?
 
2008 Presidential Election: Who are you voting for?

(poll requested by Senusret I)

Senusret I 09-22-2008 08:08 PM

Thanks, Kevin!

There has been a lot of talk for a very long time about this freakin' election, and I thought it would be nice to anonymously vote for your candidate (or be one of the losers who still isn't decided lol).

Feel free to discuss whatever, but remember to vote!

UGAalum94 09-22-2008 09:23 PM

Can this poll be promoted in other forums or do you guys just want the usual News and Politics forum folks to vote?

ETA: I'm going to out my kind of stupid tonight. The first time I looked at this thread, I missed the poll at the top and just saw Kevin's post, and thought, "why did Senusret have Kevin post a message rather than doing it himself?"

Senusret I 09-22-2008 09:29 PM

I don't mind it being promoted as long as nobody feels beaten over the head with it.

And LOL.... it's okay, it took me a week to realize I couldn't start my own poll.

Kevin 09-22-2008 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1721747)
Can this poll be promoted in other forums or do you guys just want the usual News and Politics forum folks to vote?

ETA: I'm going to out my kind of stupid tonight. The first time I looked at this thread, I missed the poll at the top and just saw Kevin's post, and thought, "why did Senusret have Kevin post a message rather than doing it himself?"


For me, when I start a thread, at the bottom (under the submit button), there's an option to make the post a poll. I'm not sure whether or not that's available to non-mods, but I'm happy to post whatever wherever just as any mod I'm sure is.

Senusret I 09-22-2008 10:07 PM

To "Unsure:"

Dammit, it's been long enough, pick a team! LOLOL

UGAalum94 09-22-2008 10:13 PM

Where my third party people at?

AGDee 09-22-2008 10:16 PM

I'm really glad it's anonymous. I'd hate for anybody to know who I'm voting for! :D

Kevin 09-22-2008 10:16 PM

That was me. I was a pretty solid McCain supporter for a long time (after Ron Paul failed to get the nomination). I gave the guy a closer look and I sincerely think that the guy has become so cynical with respect to his views and positions that he's dangerous to have in a position of power. The man's waffling makes John Kerry look like the Pope (who doesn't waffle, ever).

Obama, on the other hand is such an unknown quantity to me. I don't like the specifics of his plans, but this recent banking crisis has led me to rethink a lot of my ideas as to whether a free-market economy can function alongside the American government who I suppose is dead-set on bailing out incompetently run companies who pay their executives 47-million dollar severance packages in exchange for running the company into the ground.

In 2006, I would have been a McCain supporter, 100%. Today? He's making me question whether or not I can vote for him. It's a good thing I live in Oklahoma where McCain is favored to win by +10%, or I'd have a bit more of a dilemna.

I'm definitely going to vote because I'm interested in how some of our more local elections are turning out.

UGAalum94 09-22-2008 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1721779)
I'm really glad it's anonymous. I'd hate for anybody to know who I'm voting for! :D

I know what you mean. ;)

UGAalum94 09-23-2008 07:14 PM

Posting to bump and to note that this is closer than I thought. I really thought GreekChat would be an Obama blowout.

KSigkid 09-23-2008 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1721780)
That was me. I was a pretty solid McCain supporter for a long time (after Ron Paul failed to get the nomination). I gave the guy a closer look and I sincerely think that the guy has become so cynical with respect to his views and positions that he's dangerous to have in a position of power. The man's waffling makes John Kerry look like the Pope (who doesn't waffle, ever).

Obama, on the other hand is such an unknown quantity to me. I don't like the specifics of his plans, but this recent banking crisis has led me to rethink a lot of my ideas as to whether a free-market economy can function alongside the American government who I suppose is dead-set on bailing out incompetently run companies who pay their executives 47-million dollar severance packages in exchange for running the company into the ground.

In 2006, I would have been a McCain supporter, 100%. Today? He's making me question whether or not I can vote for him. It's a good thing I live in Oklahoma where McCain is favored to win by +10%, or I'd have a bit more of a dilemna.

I'm definitely going to vote because I'm interested in how some of our more local elections are turning out.

I think I'm close to being in the same boat. I was a big-time Romney supporter, and I became kind of disillusioned after the primaries. I really wanted to give McCain a chance, but each passing day I feel less and less confident (between the VP choice, some of his public comments, etc.).

I wouldn't vote Obama, because I disagree with too many of the items on his platform, but it's made me seriously consider the third party route for the first time. I still think I'm voting McCain, but my vote is much shakier than I would have thought possible a couple of months ago.

CrackerBarrel 09-23-2008 09:34 PM

I'm not the biggest McCain fan (I liked Fred and/or Romney), but in my mind he's certainly closer to my beliefs than Obama and I can't bring myself to vote third party because it could in theory contribute to Obama being elected. So I'm voting against Obama more than for McCain.

Senusret I 09-23-2008 09:36 PM

^^^ Do you live in a state where it would even truly matter? Where I live, I could vote my conscience and Obama would still win.

This year, it just so happens none of the third parties speak to my beliefs as closely as Obama does, but he certainly doesn't represent EVERY single thing I believe in.

CrackerBarrel 09-23-2008 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1722275)
^^^ Do you live in a state where it would even truly matter? Where I live, I could vote my conscience and Obama would still win.

This year, it just so happens none of the third parties speak to my beliefs as closely as Obama does, but he certainly doesn't represent EVERY single thing I believe in.

I live (for school) in a state where it doesn't matter really, but I'm registered in a state where the lead is small enough that I'm not comfortable voting third party.

SWTXBelle 09-23-2008 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1721774)
Where my third party people at?


I'm still figuring it out - Libertarian or Constitutional? Hmmm . . .

eta - John Quincy Adams - "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

RU OX Alum 09-24-2008 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1722282)
I'm still figuring it out - Libertarian or Constitutional? Hmmm . . .

eta - John Quincy Adams - "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

that is a good quote

i checked unsure, because I can't really bring myself to vote for any of the candidates. I still plan to vote because of local and state elections and i think it might be a senate race this year too (i don't know, i was gone for the summer and haven't watched too much tv since being back)

texas*princess 09-24-2008 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1722214)
Posting to bump and to note that this is closer than I thought. I really thought GreekChat would be an Obama blowout.

why? b/c we're all liberal hippies? :p

UGAalum94 09-24-2008 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texas*princess (Post 1722482)
why? b/c we're all liberal hippies? :p

Not particularly hippie, I don't think, but because the News and Politics forum skews Democratic if you count up posters and apparent affiliation and because, I think, the rest of the sight is pretty young. We could also throw in that some of the consistently most active forums are the NPHC groups' and I suspect that most NPHC members will vote Obama.

I suspect that the general alumni members of NPC and IFC groups may be a more representative political breakdown of the general population (which is not to say that it's necessarily an even match or that Obama wouldn't be ahead), but I don't think GreekChat matches the general population of greek alums or of the population at large. For example, I may be the only AGD poster who supports McCain on the site, but I doubt I'm the only one in real life or that the ratio is what it seems to be here.

Benzgirl 09-24-2008 08:29 PM

Why isn't Senusret listed under McCain and Obama?

Senusret I 09-24-2008 08:32 PM

^^ You know what......

lol

SWTXBelle 09-24-2008 08:53 PM

Who to vote for?
 
Emotionally - Baldwin/ Constitution Party

Intellectually - Barr / Libertarian Party

UGAalum94 09-24-2008 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1722803)
Emotionally - Baldwin/ Constitution Party

Intellectually - Barr / Libertarian Party

I saw yesterday that Paul endorsed Baldwin and I only knew who he was because you had him in your signature for a while.

Barr has been around Georgia politics for a long time and he just creeps me out to see him. The mustache is not a good look. I also don't have much time for a thrice married guy to be all up in the Defense of Marriage Act. (and then all the Flynt discovered stuff about the Barr supporting his second wife's abortion. It's just plain icky, no matter who you believe.)

SWTXBelle 09-24-2008 09:16 PM

Yeah, Barr doesn't appeal to me EXCEPT as a representative of the Libertarian Party, whose platform I'm pretty on-board with - the mustache is the worst. :(

texas*princess 09-25-2008 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1722771)
Not particularly hippie, I don't think, but because the News and Politics forum skews Democratic if you count up posters and apparent affiliation and because, I think, the rest of the sight is pretty young. We could also throw in that some of the consistently most active forums are the NPHC groups' and I suspect that most NPHC members will vote Obama.

I suspect that the general alumni members of NPC and IFC groups may be a more representative political breakdown of the general population (which is not to say that it's necessarily an even match or that Obama wouldn't be ahead), but I don't think GreekChat matches the general population of greek alums or of the population at large. For example, I may be the only AGD poster who supports McCain on the site, but I doubt I'm the only one in real life or that the ratio is what it seems to be here.


Uhhhh no one ever said GC was a scientific representation of the entire Greek Population in the U.S.

lawgal 09-25-2008 08:33 AM

There should have been a category that said " I am voting against Palin"
(Or Biden for that matter, although he hasn't raised the hackles like Palin has.)

RU OX Alum 09-25-2008 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawgal (Post 1723003)
There should have been a category that said " I am voting against Palin"
(Or Biden for that matter, although he hasn't raised the hackles like Palin has.)

yeah but i don't like him either...we have crappy choices again

SWTXBelle 09-25-2008 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1723020)
yeah but i don't like him either...we have crappy choices again


Just want to interject - as long as the "crappy choices" continue to garner votes, you will continue to get more of the same. Really, why change the system if it "works"?

KSigkid 09-25-2008 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1723049)
Just want to interject - as long as the "crappy choices" continue to garner votes, you will continue to get more of the same. Really, why change the system if it "works"?

Unfortunately, there are those of us who aren't wild about any of the choices, including third parties. I've said it before, if there was a third party that could really engage me, this is the first year I'd consider voting for it. However, I don't really like any of the third party choices - my ideas sometimes stray into Libertarian territory, but I'm not a Barr fan.

SWTXBelle 09-25-2008 10:40 AM

Yeah, Barr is a problem for me, so I'm leaning towards Baldwin. I guess my comment was geared more to all those voters who hate the two "crappy" choices, but won't even look at ANY third party candidates.

Is there a politican out there that you WISH were running for president? Someone you could support, but who is not a candidate?

Kevin 09-25-2008 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1723064)
Yeah, Barr is a problem for me, so I'm leaning towards Baldwin. I guess my comment was geared more to all those voters who hate the two "crappy" choices, but won't even look at ANY third party candidates.

Is there a politican out there that you WISH were running for president? Someone you could support, but who is not a candidate?

There will only be two Presidential candidates on the ballot in Oklahoma. We have some of the toughest ballot access laws in the state. To be eligible, you have to either circulate a petition which achieves a number equal to a certain percentage of the last presidential ballot cast OR you have to have had 5% in the previous election.

There was a time in our state' history, way back, when the Democratic party was the only party allowed on the ballot.

RU OX Alum 09-25-2008 10:50 AM

I don't like Barr, or Nader, the others I've seen haven't really tanked out.

I was a Clark supporter, but then he won some primaries but then decided to quit, so that's kind of hard to get behind.

Really, there's no one. I like my congressman. I would vote for him if he were running, I guess. But seriously, we are the leaders of the free-world we should have better candidates.

SWTXBelle 09-25-2008 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1723072)
There will only be two Presidential candidates on the ballot in Oklahoma. We have some of the toughest ballot access laws in the state. To be eligible, you have to either circulate a petition which achieves a number equal to a certain percentage of the last presidential ballot cast OR you have to have had 5% in the previous election.

There was a time in our state' history, way back, when the Democratic party was the only party allowed on the ballot.


Yikes! Democracy, indeed . . .

KSigkid 09-25-2008 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1723064)
Yeah, Barr is a problem for me, so I'm leaning towards Baldwin. I guess my comment was geared more to all those voters who hate the two "crappy" choices, but won't even look at ANY third party candidates.

Is there a politican out there that you WISH were running for president? Someone you could support, but who is not a candidate?

Sent you a PM.

UGAalum94 09-25-2008 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texas*princess (Post 1722965)
Uhhhh no one ever said GC was a scientific representation of the entire Greek Population in the U.S.

Right. But you suggested that the reason that I thought GC would go for overwhelmingly for Obama was because I assumed you all were hippies. I was just explaining my reasoning.

UGAalum94 09-25-2008 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texas*princess (Post 1722482)
why? b/c we're all liberal hippies? :p

see. I can see the smilie, but I gave a real answer anyway.

ThetaPrincess24 09-26-2008 08:37 AM

Well I dont like the current results of this opinion poll, however I'm glad to see that out of those who have taken this poll everyone plans to vote!!! That to me is the most important thing for us to do--exercise our right to vote!

KSigkid 09-27-2008 09:37 AM

I didn't know where else to post this, because essentially every thread has become a "let's bash the opposing candidate" battle, rather than a political discussion. But, I thought Lehrer did a good job moderating the debate last night. I think he walked a good line between letting the candidates speak, and stepping in when needed.

Senusret I 09-27-2008 09:39 AM

What was your take on him making a point to ask the candidates to look at each other and talk to each other?

summer_gphib 09-27-2008 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1723902)
What was your take on him making a point to ask the candidates to look at each other and talk to each other?

I think he was trying to facilitate real conversation as opposed to standard political rhetoric.


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