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Football Fan 09-02-2008 12:34 AM

University of Southern California Recruitment
 
Recruitment has been completed at the University of Southern California. At this moment the new members are at the chapter houses celebrating with their new sisters.

Does anyone have any information regarding numbers of pnms who signed up for recruitment? I have checked the Panhellenic website and there is no information posted at this time.

Last year all the sororities made quota or above. Let us hope it will be another successful recruitment, especially since there is a new GLO on campus.

Benzgirl 09-02-2008 05:21 PM

We have at least one USC active on this board. Hopefully she will post.

ellebud 09-02-2008 05:39 PM

Fight on! My oldest daughter, who is a graduate said that she heard that over 900 women were rushing. I really would love some info as well.

APhiAnna 09-03-2008 06:19 PM

From Facebook stalking my friends (when you grow up in SoCal it seems like just about everybody and their mother...literally...goes/went to USC) it looks like ADPi got 58, DG got 60 and Kappa got high 50s. This is just from me counting faces in the bid day pics so that could easily be horribly wrong...could have double counted, skipped a row, etc. Kappa had really cute shirts...the shirts the actives wore said "Go Kappa" and the new member's shirts said "Went Kappa". None of the people I've talked to know what quota is, which seems very strange but probably just means there were a lot of quota additions for those chapters. My friends from those three chapters said the famous "we got everybody that we really wanted!" so it seems like all the chapters did well. Oh, no idea about how Gamma Phi did in numbers but I did see pictures of my friends and it looks like they had kind of a 70s/jukebox/music theme which was really cute.

AnchorAlumna 09-03-2008 07:12 PM

Here you are: http://www.npcbruins.com/page.php?pa...&page_id=19712
Looks like you had better get moving NOW!:)

Benzgirl 09-03-2008 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna (Post 1711321)
Here you are: http://www.npcbruins.com/page.php?pa...&page_id=19712
Looks like you had better get moving NOW!:)


This one belongs in the UCLA post, not the USC post

Football Fan 09-03-2008 08:17 PM

Anna,
Our very tired advisor wrote after Bid Night that quota was 60 and Tri Delta had 64 new members. That number has not been confirmed by Panhellenic. Also, I heard the unofficial number of pnms was 850. Freshmen women at SC number roughly about 1350+, so a large percentage of those signed up with Panhellenic.
Invitational parties were down to five parties and then two for preference. I read from an SC board many girls dropped
out that night. A parent wrote nearly half the girls on his daughter's floor dropped out of recruitment.

...just received a call from an Atlanta woman who is a happy member of Gamma Phi Beta. She told me Gamma Phi had 64 new members!

APhiAnna 09-03-2008 10:49 PM

From talking to my friends it seems like a lot of girls drop out of recruitment at SC...it seems to be the quintessential type of recruitment we can't stand on GC where the overwhelming majority of women decide they only want to be in part of certain sororities from the onset (not you necessarily Trojan01). Although I would be shocked if being a sophomore seemed to hurt you...my friend in XYZ today (which is seen as extremely strong) said that about a third of their pledge class is sophomores.

Growing up where I was from (Southern California) there were certain sororities that it just seemed like "everybody" was a part of and many of my friends who went through SC recruitment only focused on those. What many PNMs don't realize about USC recruitment is that those sororities have such limited space available in their pledge classes after all the legacies and girls they knew in high school, etc. I think what they also don't realize is that even though the other sororities aren't the OMGTOPTIER sorority on campus, the vast majority are among the strongest chapters of their respective GLOs in terms of numbers, social, philanthropy, housing...pretty much any aspect you could imagine! It's an incredible Greek system.

GPhiBLtColonel 09-04-2008 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by APhiAnna (Post 1711482)
From talking to my friends it seems like a lot of girls drop out of recruitment at SC...it seems to be the quintessential type of recruitment we can't stand on GC where the overwhelming majority of women decide they only want to be in part of certain sororities from the onset (not you necessarily Trojan01). Although I would be shocked if being a sophomore seemed to hurt you...my friend in XYZ today (which is seen as extremely strong) said that about a third of their pledge class is sophomores.

Growing up where I was from (Southern California) there were certain sororities that it just seemed like "everybody" was a part of and many of my friends who went through SC recruitment only focused on those. What many PNMs don't realize about USC recruitment is that those sororities have such limited space available in their pledge classes after all the legacies and girls they knew in high school, etc. I think what they also don't realize is that even though the other sororities aren't the OMGTOPTIER sorority on campus, the vast majority are among the strongest chapters of their respective GLOs in terms of numbers, social, philanthropy, housing...pretty much any aspect you could imagine! It's an incredible Greek system.

What she said!
:)

LAblondeGPhi 09-04-2008 01:37 AM

I heard Gamma Phi took 64 and quota was 60.

Does anyone know how Sigma Delta Tau did? They just colonized last year.

Football Fan 09-04-2008 01:38 AM

SC Panhellenic Numbers from 2007
 
These are the numbers from SC last year as printed in the Daily Trojan from an article by the Panhellenic President. In 2007 there were nine sororities.

In 2007 836 women participated in recruitment. Of those 606 received bids. Quota was 62 with five houses taking 69. One house took 67.

As I recall all the houses took quota last year.

Daily Trojan reported today that 579 women accepted bids to the ten sororities now at SC. No other numbers were included in the article. (Sept. 4, 2008)

Football Fan 09-05-2008 11:51 AM

Fewer Bids at SC Brings Disappointment
 
Last year at SC there were nine sorority chapters. In 2007 836 participated in recruitment and 606 accepted bids. The last invitational schedule went from 4 parties to 2, which was the way it has been for some years. Quota was 62. I believe all groups made quota or above.

This year, according to the campus newspaper, 850 pnms participated in recruitment. There was an addition of one new chapter. The party schedule before preference went from 5 parties to 2. Large numbers of pnms dropped out. Out of the 850 there were fewer bids accepted in 2008....579 for the 10 houses. Not all the chapters made quota, unfortunately, which was 60.

GPhiBLtColonel 09-05-2008 01:32 PM

Opinion Piece from Someone who did not get a bid....
 
FYI - click on the link below for an article from the Daily Trojan (USC's campus paper). The cartoon accompanying this opinion piece is certainly NOT very flattering is it? Wonder if the artist is Greek ;)

http://www.dailytrojan.com/home/inde...f-ec9f56816a81

texas*princess 09-05-2008 01:47 PM

quote from article

Quote:

About 750 girls were left when I finally quit rush on the last morning of formal recruitment. I had walked straight into the jaws of rejection and finally I was fed up with being treated like a second-rate citizen.
Football fan -- If so many people are QUITTING the process before even getting to the end, I can't say I have any sympathy for them. Like the article author, I have no doubts many of them went in knowing which groups they didn't want or "couldn't fit into"... so when their "top" choices dropped them, they quit.

ladybug12 09-05-2008 01:59 PM

USC recruitment
 
Dropping from 5 possible invitations down to 2 for preference seems like a big change to me, especially when there are only 10 NPC sororities on the campus.

Am I the only person that thinks this is a bit odd?:confused:

ellebud 09-05-2008 02:08 PM

I agree 100%. There is too much a margin for a pnm to be out of rush completely. And for sororities to have fewer returns. Not a good situation.

ComradesTrue 09-05-2008 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladybug12 (Post 1712631)
Dropping from 5 possible invitations down to 2 for preference seems like a big change to me, especially when there are only 10 NPC sororities on the campus.

Am I the only person that thinks this is a bit odd?:confused:

I also agree.

On my campus of 10 houses we went from 4 parties for third round to 3 parties for pref.

Not that how we did it is right for everyone, but I had the same initial thought as you. That is too drastic a cut for both the PNMs and the chapters.

Aphigal 09-05-2008 02:52 PM

I am not in general a 3 party pref fan. I think it misleads the women and the chapters. On almost every single campus I have worked with women very rarely match with their 3rd choice. So you havea "weaker" (hate that term) chapter that thinks they are doing swell because of the number of women at pref but in reality the pnm's are for the most part ranking them #3 and not matching with them.

Then on the flip side you have pnm's who think they are getting into XYZ when really they just made the bottom of XYZ's pref invite list and will be on the bottom of their bid list. Release figures has helped all this some though.

Still 3rd party pref. bleech.

33girl 09-05-2008 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by texas*princess (Post 1712627)
Football fan -- If so many people are QUITTING the process before even getting to the end, I can't say I have any sympathy for them. Like the article author, I have no doubts many of them went in knowing which groups they didn't want or "couldn't fit into"... so when their "top" choices dropped them, they quit.

Amen. If being asked back to parties by women who want to get to know you - even if they aren't the prettiest or most popular group - is her idea of being a "second class citizen" I have zero sympathy for her.

Oh and with 10 chapters on a campus, what Aphigal is saying is right on. I think pref isn't the problem, rather that they're going from 10 chapters to 5. 10 to 7 to 4 to 2 would make more sense. (I read that right didn't I?)

Trojan01 - what do you mean about the 08 spring admit population? Was this a ton of waitlisted people or something?

ComradesTrue 09-05-2008 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aphigal (Post 1712670)
Still 3rd party pref. bleech.

To each her own.

I somewhat see your point for a campus with only a handful of chapters, as the majority of the PNMs will be attending the exact same parties. However, when there are 10 chapters, such as at USC, there are very few people who are going to the same three parties.

You mention that no one goes to their third bid list. However, per reports (I haven't seen this confirmed) multiple chapters at USC did not even make quota, so they made it to the bottom of the second list without filling quota. If they had had another 40-60 names down that list, from a third party, perhaps they could have.

It's fine to just have 2 pref parties if that system works at your university. However, I have not heard of narrowing from 5 to 2 from third round to pref.

Should all of those PNMs who dropped have hung around a bit longer? Probably. But the current set up just lends itself to very drastic cuts after 3rd round.

kchaptergphib 09-05-2008 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1712674)
Oh and with 10 chapters on a campus, what Aphigal is saying is right on. I think pref isn't the problem, rather that they're going from 10 chapters to 5. 10 to 7 to 4 to 2 would make more sense. (I read that right didn't I?)

If what you're saying is right, and they only have 3 days for 10 chapters- I think that's a big mistake. I know it won't help this year's PNM's who dropped out, but hopefully they'll realize that's something to be changed for next year. But I still wonder how they thought it would be a good idea going from 5 to 2 for pref.

33girl 09-05-2008 03:38 PM

I wasn't right.

http://www.chaptertools.net/site_fil...1216246447.pdf

They go from 10 to 7 to 5 to 2. That makes more sense. :) At least they have had more time to spend w/ the chapters.

ladybug12 09-05-2008 03:49 PM

USC recruitment
 
I agree that 2 preference parties seem right for a campus with 10 sororities...just that the drop from 5 to 2 may have made a difference this year when compared to last year's stats.

But I also see the point of being able to attend 5 parties for the third day may help keep more women in recruitment and allow additional time to get to know more PNMs.

I just think it is unfortunate for such a prestigous campus to add an NPC chapter and actually see fewer women pledge a sorority compared to the previous year...

srmom 09-05-2008 03:52 PM

Quote:

The cartoon accompanying this opinion piece is certainly NOT very flattering is it? Wonder if the artist is Greek
Maybe the cartoonist is a member of USAG;0

ellebud 09-05-2008 04:01 PM

USC has spring admits. This means that as, 300 plus or more seniors graduate (and the unfortunate attrition) this opens up space for a second round of freshman. These young women (obviously I am excluding the men in this discussion) would go through formal rush in the fall with a full semester at SC. Some of these women will be sophomores (because they went to a cc full time in the fall), some will be second semester freshmen.

33girl 09-05-2008 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ellebud (Post 1712722)
USC has spring admits. This means that as, 300 plus or more seniors graduate (and the unfortunate attrition) this opens up space for a second round of freshman. These young women (obviously I am excluding the men in this discussion) would go through formal rush in the fall with a full semester at SC. Some of these women will be sophomores (because they went to a cc full time in the fall), some will be second semester freshmen.

Jeepers creepers.

With that amount of people it almost sounds like it would be better to have an additional structured rush in the spring to accomodate them. (USC sorority women, don't kill me, ha ha.)

violetpretty 09-05-2008 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1712726)
Jeepers creepers.

With that amount of people it almost sounds like it would be better to have an additional structured rush in the spring to accomodate them. (USC sorority women, don't kill me, ha ha.)

Or to move formal recruitment to the spring.;)

ellebud 09-05-2008 04:28 PM

Well, I'll be able to tell you AFTER RUSH in the fall how it all works. My daughter is a spring admit. And she will be a technical freshman in the fall.

TrojanWoman 09-05-2008 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by violetpretty (Post 1712728)
Or to move formal recruitment to the spring.;)

Don't say it! :D

This is the first year that SC had 10 chapters participate in formal recruitment and I think there was bound to be some problems. We used to go from 4 parties to 2 prefs. I think they are still figuring out what the number of parties should be for all of the days. I think we will have to see if there are changes made to next year's schedule. I'm not a fan of 3 pref parties either, but it may be the best case scenario as the Greek culture continues to grow at USC.

Fight on Trojans! Beat the Buckeyes!!!:D:p

Benzgirl 09-05-2008 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanWoman (Post 1712798)

Fight on Trojans! Beat the Buckeyes!!!:D:p

Eh!:p
I'll be there. I have tickets on the 20 yard line.:D

SoCalGirl 09-05-2008 10:43 PM

My favorite quote from the article:
Quote:

So next time you see a sorority girl, smile at them - not ironically, because you are so happy not to be in their position - genuinely, because they worked very, very hard to get where they are.
10/7/5/2 seems reasonable but I'd favor adding an extra day (or two) of recruitment and have Open House rounds twice. 10/10/7/5/2. That way the sisters and the PNMs have a lot more info before making the vital first cuts. 10/7/5/5/2 would also be good as it could be less confusing for the PNMs who can't differeniate chapters after first rounds.


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