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Thetagirl218 07-26-2008 10:07 PM

Brett Favre leaving the Packers?
 
Is anyone else watching the events happening surrounding Brett Favre?

Any thoughts? Time to retire or time to go to another team?

Elephant Walk 07-27-2008 05:51 PM

Always loved watching Farve play at Green Bay

I hope he goes on to the Vikes

PhiGam 07-28-2008 02:38 AM

He needs to retire. His career is going to start to diminish if he keeps playing at his age.

DaemonSeid 07-28-2008 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1687227)
He needs to retire. His career is going to start to diminish if he keeps playing at his age.

It's not his age that is a detriment...obviously he still has talent to do what he did last season considereing he had less talent around him then than he did a few years before...what is making it bad is the attitude that he has about coming back....he just doesn't want to take his ball and go home and he is making himself look bad in Green Bay....I really can't see him getting a lot of open arms should he go play somewhere else and sitting another up and comer on teh bench just so HE can play (altho Atlanta could use him!). And who is to say? He will play this season and then there will be another Favre watch come next summer as he makes up his mind about playing.

Favre is starting to look like an attention whore.

KSigkid 07-28-2008 10:55 AM

I think a lot of the stuff coming out of the Green Bay front office is funny. First, Favre would be the team's best quarterback if he came back, and as a veteran, it's not like it would take him a lot more time to master changes in the playbook.

As to the Packers moving on...well, they can still take their time with Rodgers, and if he were to bolt, they just drafted Brian Brohm, who profiles to be a potential starter in the NFL.

I don't agree with the way Favre has handled things; to me, the worst part was his sending messages to the media through his family. Having his mother and brother go on talk shows to express his desire to return was interesting, to say the least.

Other than that - it's a ridiculous situation, although it gives Peter King the opportunity to write about Favre in every one of his columns (not that he hasn't been doing that already).

ETA: If I remember correctly, the Packers have a lot of room left under the salary cap. So, carrying his salary for this year probably wouldn't make much of a difference.

groovypq 07-28-2008 11:05 AM

I'm not a Favre or Packers fan so I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think he's really ruining his legacy. He's gone back and forth the last couple of years to begin with, but to do the whole "I'm really retiring and let's have some big farewell celebration and emotional speeches" and STILL play this "well now maybe I want to come back" game is just juvenile.

I can sympathize with his desire to play - but it's really turning into a circus. And that's a shame.

TonyB06 07-28-2008 11:19 AM

Funny, I just had an indepth telephone debate about 10 minutes ago with a friend in my fantasy football league about this very topic.

I'm not a Favre fan, and think he's not handled this retire/unretire thing well, and put the Packers front office in a terrible bind.....but a tested, HOF, quality QB who took them deep in the playoffs last year, and had one of his top five best seasons of his career....there's no reason to go with A. Rogers at this point.

Favre is counting on the front office not wanting the training camp circus of a $12 million clip-board holder, and that they'll release him....so he can walk to the Vikings, the Bears, the Bucs or the Jets ....but that's not likely.

Optimally for the Pack, they can hold him into the start of the season and if another team has a QB injury they can then extract more for a trade for Favre than they could get at present.

Elephant Walk 07-28-2008 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1687227)
He needs to retire. His career is going to start to diminish if he keeps playing at his age.

While I usually agree with you...not this time.

What do you think about Micheal Jordans legacy? Especially since he came back and all to the Wizards. Or Joe Montanas? They weren't hurt badly at all for coming back at their old ages.

Tom Earp 07-31-2008 02:07 PM

Green Bay ought to let Brett do what he pleases!

He played his heart for them.

DaemonSeid 07-31-2008 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1687613)
While I usually agree with you...not this time.

What do you think about Micheal Jordans legacy? Especially since he came back and all to the Wizards. Or Joe Montanas? They weren't hurt badly at all for coming back at their old ages.

it's not the coming back part at all...it's the 'he cant make up his mind from one year to the next if he gonna retire" part that has people pissed....

and let's get it right...MJ retired the first time...you knew he was coming back...teh 2nd time....you knew he was done for good....

Joe Montana??? I don't even see how that fits....you have to explain that one...as far as I remember it.... he played...retired and stayed retired.

KSigkid 07-31-2008 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1689127)
it's not the coming back part at all...it's the 'he cant make up his mind from one year to the next if he gonna retire" part that has people pissed....

and let's get it right...MJ retired the first time...you knew he was coming back...teh 2nd time....you knew he was done for good....

Joe Montana??? I don't even see how that fits....you have to explain that one...as far as I remember it.... he played...retired and stayed retired.

Montana didn't retire and come back, but he did leave SF with some controversy when he went to the Chiefs. There were questions about whether SF was ready to move on with Steve Young (his previous starting experience in Tampa Bay wasn't great), and some question of whether Montana was being forced out for the new guy (like the situation with Favre).

DaemonSeid 07-31-2008 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1689146)
Montana didn't retire and come back, but he did leave SF with some controversy when he went to the Chiefs. There were questions about whether SF was ready to move on with Steve Young (his previous starting experience in Tampa Bay wasn't great), and some question of whether Montana was being forced out for the new guy (like the situation with Favre).

ok...thanks...that clears it up....

AGDee 07-31-2008 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1687613)
While I usually agree with you...not this time.

What do you think about Micheal Jordans legacy? Especially since he came back and all to the Wizards. Or Joe Montanas? They weren't hurt badly at all for coming back at their old ages.

Michael Jordan was even worse. He left basketball to play baseball! Then he left baseball (cuz he wasn't that good) and came back to basketball and then retired again. They seem like attention whores to me when they pull that kind of crap.

madmax 08-01-2008 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1689159)
Michael Jordan was even worse. He left basketball to play baseball! Then he left baseball (cuz he wasn't that good) and came back to basketball and then retired again. They seem like attention whores to me when they pull that kind of crap.

Weak comparison. Jordan won a three more titles after he came back. Jordan never screwed his team like Farve.

Jordan is argueable the best player to ever play the game while Farve is an interception waiting to happen.

Farve is a spoiled, immature, obnoxious, self centered, punk ass bitch. Disney miscast Lindsay Lohan in Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen. Farve should have had the lead in that movie.

Tom Earp 08-01-2008 12:54 PM

Wow, I guess at says where you stand.

PhiGam 08-01-2008 01:09 PM

Now hes taking $20 million to retire... absolutely pathetic.

DaemonSeid 08-01-2008 01:30 PM

I cant think of anyone else in recent history that has done what Favre has done...and it's bad for what he did in Green Bay....I can't see him playing anywhere else.....

ThetaDancer 08-01-2008 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by madmax (Post 1689571)
Weak comparison. Jordan won a three more titles after he came back. Jordan never screwed his team like Farve.

Jordan is argueable the best player to ever play the game while Farve is an interception waiting to happen.

Farve is a spoiled, immature, obnoxious, self centered, punk ass bitch. Disney miscast Lindsay Lohan in Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen. Farve should have had the lead in that movie.

This is one of the funniest/best things I've read in a while. I'm so unbelievably sick of Favre pulling this nonsense. Attention whore is putting it nicely. It's particularly obnoxious in Wisconsin where he has been teasing us for YEARS and he holds the media captive with this "will he or won't he retire?!?!" game. Although I was originally sad to see him go, I was glad he finally made up his mind and did so in a respectable way. That didn't last long though...

DaemonSeid 08-04-2008 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ThetaDancer (Post 1689594)
This is one of the funniest/best things I've read in a while. I'm so unbelievably sick of Favre pulling this nonsense. Attention whore is putting it nicely. It's particularly obnoxious in Wisconsin where he has been teasing us for YEARS and he holds the media captive with this "will he or won't he retire?!?!" game. Although I was originally sad to see him go, I was glad he finally made up his mind and did so in a respectable way. That didn't last long though...


The Favre watch is finally over...he is back...now the question is...will he start for the Packers or will they exercise their rights and trade him?

I know Aaron Rogers is madder than a lil' bit.....

Thetagirl218 08-04-2008 10:23 AM

I am praying he gets traded to the Bucs.....Garcia maybe as old as Favre, but he is no where near as good!

FlaGirl07 08-06-2008 08:48 PM

No! I absolutely love Garcia and do NOT want Brett Favre.

Unregistered- 08-07-2008 12:48 AM

Congratulations (Sorry?) Bucs fans...he's off to New York

Tinia2 08-07-2008 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1691961)

otw-you just beat me to it.
here is the original story, which i was just about to post:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8...PHCP&GT1=39002

FlaGirl07 08-07-2008 01:00 AM

this brings some much needed sunshine to my hellacious finals week =)

KSigkid 08-07-2008 08:33 AM

Interesting stuff - Jay Glazer from Fox Sports broke the story. It's funny that, with the amount of manpower ESPN dedicated to the Favre Saga, it wasn't one of their reporters that got the scoop. I'm sure Mortensen or one of the others will take credit, though.

I guess Peter King will be covering EVERY Jets game next year.

moe.ron 08-07-2008 11:07 AM

J-E-T-S

SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS

DaemonSeid 08-07-2008 11:47 AM

Now...here are a few questions

1. Does Favre start or does he compete for the starting job? (IMO, I don't think you would do all of that and NOT start him....)

2. How much better does this make the Jets in competition with New England for that division?

3. Considering that some drafts are busts in the first round, do you think the Packers got ripped off for the draft picks they got in trade for Favre?

nittanyalum 08-07-2008 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1692129)
Now...here are a few questions

1. Does Favre start or does he compete for the starting job? (IMO, I don't think you would do all of that and NOT start him....)

2. How much better does this make the Jets in competition with New England for that division?

3. Considering that some drafts are busts in the first round, do you think the Packers got ripped off for the draft picks they got in trade for Favre?

The article I read said they're releasing Pennington, so I don't think there's anyone to compete with, he's already got his #4 Jets jersey and I expect he'll start.

DaemonSeid 08-07-2008 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1692133)
The article I read said they're releasing Pennington, so I don't think there's anyone to compete with, he's already got his #4 Jets jersey and I expect he'll start.

I just read the same thing and I think in principle that's a good move...however, that means NOW...Kellen Clemens will have to sit behind Favre and I thought that last season enough people had 'liked' Clemens that he would be a good prospect for starter this year...any Jets fans here can correct me of course....

SO....the question also becomes...where will Chad go? I think he will probably wind up benching somewhere because with all the injuries...he hasn't been the same....again...Jets fans correct me if you disagree.....

ETA...a little known fact....the Jets were going to pick Favre in the 1991 draft, but the Falcons got him first...heh

madmax 08-07-2008 12:22 PM

update
 
12:01 pm Farve just announced that he doesn't want to play for the Jets and he is going to retire.

12:02 Farve announced that he changed his mind and he is going to play but he reserves the right to change his mind.

12:03 Farve and John Madden announce that they are going to share an apartment in the big apple.

KSigkid 08-07-2008 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1692139)
I just read the same thing and I think in principle that's a good move...however, that means NOW...Kellen Clemens will have to sit behind Favre and I thought that last season enough people had 'liked' Clemens that he would be a good prospect for starter this year...any Jets fans here can correct me of course....

SO....the question also becomes...where will Chad go? I think he will probably wind up benching somewhere because with all the injuries...he hasn't been the same....again...Jets fans correct me if you disagree.....

ETA...a little known fact....the Jets were going to pick Favre in the 1991 draft, but the Falcons got him first...heh

What I've heard is that Pennington is probably headed to Minnesota. They had some interest in him anyway. His numbers have been pretty good; if he stays healthy, and the Vikings stay within his skill set (high accuracy, short-to-middle passing game), it will be a good pick up. Plus, he'd be a pretty big improvement over Jackson. ETA: He didn't have a great year last year, but Football Outsiders had him ranked as a top-10 quarterback statistically in 2006. The Jets receivers last year were horrible in getting yards after the catch (26th in the league), which hurt Pennington's numbers. (Additionally, Green Bay was #1 in that category last year, which may help explain Favre's great stats)
Clemens is still young, so a year or two of Favre isn't going to throw the development plan off that far. Plus, he was having a really rough start to training camp, so it's questionable whether he would have started ahead of Pennington, anyway.

The funny thing about this whole ordeal is, in my opinon, Rodgers isn't even the Packers best QB prospect. I think Brohm will end up having a better career. If anyone lucks out in this, it's Matt Flynn; if Favre stayed, Flynn had a good chance of being cut. Now, he can at least compete for the #3 position.

DaemonSeid 08-07-2008 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1692146)
What I've heard is that Pennington is probably headed to Minnesota. They had some interest in him anyway. His numbers have been pretty good; if he stays healthy, and the Vikings stay within his skill set (high accuracy, short-to-middle passing game), it will be a good pick up. Plus, he'd be a pretty big improvement over Jackson. ETA: He didn't have a great year last year, but Football Outsiders had him ranked as a top-10 quarterback statistically in 2006. The Jets receivers last year were horrible in getting yards after the catch (26th in the league), which hurt Pennington's numbers. (Additionally, Green Bay was #1 in that category last year, which may help explain Favre's great stats)
Clemens is still young, so a year or two of Favre isn't going to throw the development plan off that far. Plus, he was having a really rough start to training camp, so it's questionable whether he would have started ahead of Pennington, anyway.

The funny thing about this whole ordeal is, in my opinon, Rodgers isn't even the Packers best QB prospect. I think Brohm will end up having a better career. If anyone lucks out in this, it's Matt Flynn; if Favre stayed, Flynn had a good chance of being cut. Now, he can at least compete for the #3 position.

Ksig...if I remember correctly, 2006 was the last time they went to the playoffs....they have had an up and down time with him the last 4 or 5 years.....Chad will probably fit right in....and maybe teach Tavaris a thing or 2...can you imagine if he stays healthy with Adrian Peterson pounding the ball?

But see now it works out for the Pakcers (back to what you were saying) because now there is more breathing room at teh QB position...face it for the last 10 or so years the WORST place to play was Favre backup.....now the worst place to be is Jim Sorgi's backup....lol

KSigkid 08-07-2008 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1692149)
Ksig...if I remember correctly, 2006 was the last time they went to the playoffs....they have had an up and down time with him the last 4 or 5 years.....Chad will probably fit right in....and maybe teach Tavaris a thing or 2...can you imagine if he stays healthy with Adrian Peterson pounding the ball?

But see now it works out for the Pakcers (back to what you were saying) because now there is more breathing room at teh QB position...face it for the last 10 or so years the WORST place to play was Favre backup.....now the worst place to be is Jim Sorgi's backup....lol

The Jets were in the playoffs in 2006, but the Vikings weren't; I'm not sure which team you were referring to in your post.

The Vikings are going to be pretty good next year anyway, and an upgrade to Pennington from Tavaris wouldn't hurt. The running game is very good, and while Peterson is pretty sick, a large part of it is a function of the offensive line (Chester Taylor was over 5 yards per carry when he played).

Favre was the best quarterback on the Packers roster, and they're probably a .500 team at best this year. Hopefully the Green Bay fans aren't too tough on Rodgers, because he's been put in one heck of a position, especially if Favre puts up good numbers with the Jets.

DaemonSeid 08-07-2008 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1692157)
The Jets were in the playoffs in 2006, but the Vikings weren't; I'm not sure which team you were referring to in your post.

The Vikings are going to be pretty good next year anyway, and an upgrade to Pennington from Tavaris wouldn't hurt. The running game is very good, and while Peterson is pretty sick, a large part of it is a function of the offensive line (Chester Taylor was over 5 yards per carry when he played).

Favre was the best quarterback on the Packers roster, and they're probably a .500 team at best this year. Hopefully the Green Bay fans aren't too tough on Rodgers, because he's been put in one heck of a position, especially if Favre puts up good numbers with the Jets.

yeah...I was referring to the Jets (sorry 'bout that)

Well remember Rodgers had that lil' outburst earlier this year...so....hmmm we will see how that plays out this year.

remember this?

Sports Illustrated: “I don’t feel I need to sell myself to the fans. They need to get on board now or keep their mouths shut.”

KSigkid 08-07-2008 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1692161)
yeah...I was referring to the Jets (sorry 'bout that)

Well remember Rodgers had that lil' outburst earlier this year...so....hmmm we will see how that plays out this year.

remember this?

Sports Illustrated: “I don’t feel I need to sell myself to the fans. They need to get on board now or keep their mouths shut.”

I'm more willing to give guys, especially younger players, a free pass on what they say to the media, especially with the spot Rodgers is in. Most of these guys get a free pass from the media when they're in college, so when someone starts asking them difficult questions, it can be tough not to spout off.

He'll learn to start speaking in media-friendly soundbites soon enough...

"Whatever's best for the team..."

"I'm just happy to be here."

"We did some good things out there..."

"It was really a team effort out there today."

DaemonSeid 08-07-2008 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1692166)
I'm more willing to give guys, especially younger players, a free pass on what they say to the media, especially with the spot Rodgers is in. Most of these guys get a free pass from the media when they're in college, so when someone starts asking them difficult questions, it can be tough not to spout off.

He'll learn to start speaking in media-friendly soundbites soon enough...

"Whatever's best for the team..."

"I'm just happy to be here."

"We did some good things out there..."

"It was really a team effort out there today."


LOL...true!!!!

ETA: Just think...a year ago...it was all about Michael Vick and Pacman Jones....

nittanyalum 08-07-2008 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by madmax (Post 1692143)
12:01 pm Farve just announced that he doesn't want to play for the Jets and he is going to retire.

12:02 Farve announced that he changed his mind and he is going to play but he reserves the right to change his mind.

12:03 Farve and John Madden announce that they are going to share an apartment in the big apple.

LOL. Exactly. Guy must be a nightmare to live with. His poor wife and kids. "Hey gang! Let's go out to eat!" "Oh, no, wait, I've changed my mind, I like what we have here in the kitchen." "No, I've changed my mind again, let's go try somewhere new!" "Nah, I'm not ready to leave the home cooking." "What do you mean the fridge died and stove exploded? I have to go eat Coney dogs at the gel-haired neighbors' down the street now?? WTF?"

Unregistered- 08-07-2008 03:56 PM

Madden '09
 
I was wondering about this last night.

Not only is Madden '09 going to hit the stores next week with Favre on the cover wearing his Packers jersey, you can download an updated cover with Favre wearing a Jets jersey courtesy of EA Sports!

This is a friggin' circus and I hate it.

KSig RC 08-07-2008 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1692264)
This is a friggin' circus and I hate it.

Seriously? It really doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me - other than ESPN's over-saturation (which is entirely the result of the "dog days" for the baseball season) during a slow news cycle, I don't really fault the guy at all.

He wound up with something resembling a good scenario - other than having to play the Pats twice a year (early prediction: 5 INTs between those two games - they'll eat up the ol' gunslinger), he's in a relatively easy division with a good coaching staff and moderately comparable talent around him, on the biggest possible stage. Plus, he winds up collecting $25 million to keep playing a game he loves. I don't fault the guy in the slightest, but maybe I'm weird.

DaemonSeid 08-07-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1692295)
Seriously? It really doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me - other than ESPN's over-saturation (which is entirely the result of the "dog days" for the baseball season) during a slow news cycle, I don't really fault the guy at all.

He wound up with something resembling a good scenario - other than having to play the Pats twice a year (early prediction: 5 INTs between those two games - they'll eat up the ol' gunslinger), he's in a relatively easy division with a good coaching staff and moderately comparable talent around him, on the biggest possible stage. Plus, he winds up collecting $25 million to keep playing a game he loves. I don't fault the guy in the slightest, but maybe I'm weird.

Hanven't you all noticed the NFL has been like that recently in the summer?

T.O. whining in Philly

McNabb and his comments....

Vick and the dog ring

Favre wanting out....


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