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Mccain, just saying what he thinks we want to hear?
There are two contradicting articles out today based on McCain's statements...
One talks about he criticized Obama for his willingness to lose the war Friday http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...amas-judgment/ and then I watched him tell Wolf Blitzer that his TOP priority as president is to remove the troops for the middle east??? So, put that contradiction aside... he went on to discuss how he will "bring Osama Bin Laden to justice"... ... ... ... ... don't we need to find him first? I mean, we haven't found him for 6 years, the optimism needed to talk about how he will be punished is long dead, and all discussion on the topic should be led to how to capture him first, no? Sure, Obama is a little thin on, well, EVERYTHING, but seriously? Is McCain delirious that he can't keep a sense of reality for ONE day? |
They are both saying what they think we want to hear. They need us to believe them and vote for them, afterall. At the same time, they may both believe what they are saying.
Voters need to remember that campaigns are largely based on hypotheticals and hopes for the future. Unless these candidates have psychics on their campaigns, there is no telling what can realistically be done with most of the issues on their platforms. Will tax increases and other changes reduce the inequality gap and improve conditions for the average American? Maybe not and at least not immediately. Will we be able to remove troops from the Middle East and/or will it have the outcome that we hope for? Maybe not and at least not immediately. Will we be able to find Bin Laden and bring him to justice? Maybe not and at least not immediately. Either candidate could completely flop as POTUS. Voting is similar to a more informed game of chance in that sense. |
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http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/pol....mccain.6p.cnn (tell me if this is the same interview BTW....) But it didn't sound that way to me....mcCain sounded (as he said it many times here) he will only remove troops as conditions allow it to be... What I find a bit bothersome is that he believes that once our troops are gone that we will never have to go back....I can only hope that this is true.... |
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As a cynic might say, "How do you know when a politician is lying? Whenever his lips are moving..." That's a little too cynical even for me. I think both candidates are smart, honorable men, but unfortunately elections seem to be to have become more of a popularity contest than they should be, with decisions and arguments being made for a lot of the wrong reasons. It's interesting to me that a Republican woman is supposedly on Obama's potential VP list. That would certainly shake up "politics as usual." |
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It's a question that occurred to me. Caroline Kennedy is leading the search committee. Is she politically savvy enough to pull off this kind of thing -- or is it someone else's idea? I guess we'll see how it all ends up. |
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Please show me proof that Obama has said what he thought we wanted to hear, and not what he truly felt... please... in return for each piece of evidence, I will show you at least TWO proofs of evidence for McCain... the flip flop name calling worked in the last election, but it is hard for the Republican party to do so this time when they have a candidate whose political views LITERALLY change every two seconds... he use to be considered rather liberal for a republican... until he ran for the Republican Candidacy, and then suddenly he is conservative... until he GOT the candidacy and now he is moderate? I, in my very cynical and skeptical methods, have researched and researched contradicting terms of Obama, and find them to be way to few than McCains |
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I've learned, from having friends and family members with important jobs in big campaigns, to take everything with a grain of salt. |
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See how this works? Great. If you truly read my post, you wouldn't have responded as you did. ;) |
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I have friends who work for big campaigns and I laugh at them because they are so passionate about the candidate. It sucks to be passionate about a candidate because politics should be "business never personal." I don't foresee myself working for a big political campaign because 1) I hate politics and 2) I would hate the conflict between my loyalty to the person (and, I guess, the platform--right) and calling BULLISHT on certain things. |
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Seriously, you don't think Obama has ever said something just because he thought people wanted to hear it? CHANGE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO HOPE FOR AS CHANGE IN YOUR CHANGEHOPE CHANGE. The guy is a rhetorical wizard - that's basically the definition of "saying what you think people want to hear. Come on, dude. |
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Also - no one who knew anything about McCain ever thought he was "liberal" for a Republican. Even during his "crusader" days, he still held a ton of conservative positions. If you want Obama as President, support him, by all means. However, please don't act like he's some exception to the rule. He's playing the game too. |
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Anyway, if you TRULY read my post, you'd know that the main point is that voters don't know with certainty who is lying and who is telling the truth. Or if both are lying. Or if both are telling the truth. The outcomes are uncertain either way. Quote:
I, personally, believe that politics are about lies. You believe in Obama. I don't believe in candidates. Ever. Politics won't stop because of the differing opinions of it. :) |
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It's interesting how people respond to me when I critique Obama in everyday interactions. The whites are shocked that a black person would think of Obama as a typical politician and the blacks are ready to revoke my "black card" and throw me off of a building. It can get heated but I always find it amusing. This doesn't mean that I don't think Obama is a promising candidate, as promising as politicians can be, or that I might not vote for him. It means that if I vote for him it isn't based on my loyalty to Obama. ETA: Obama seems like a cool person but that likeability doesn't a President make. Hell, Dubya seems like a cool person sometimes. |
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I understand being passionate about a candidate, and really buying into his/her message. What I don't understand, though, is the creation of a halo effect around Obama, and the indignation some people have towards anyone who would dare question his policies. |
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Oh and I know people who will talk about how Obama has probably had to play the politics game but these people say he's doing what needs to be done for the necessary change. That spin is amazing. It's "whatever means necessary" if one candidate plays politics and may have to be less forthcoming with info. Aren't lies and withholding info part of what pissed Americans off about this war? Slipper slope alert. |
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People can be pretty myopic when it comes to "their" candidate. |
mccain's champaign ran,as a paid commercial about 12 times, an ad criticizing obama for not visiting troops while on his recent overseas trip. it was run free as a news story over a hundred times. the minor problem is that it is not accurate; it is an attack ad. and it has not always been corrected. and people are taking it a hard face value. and it seems to be running and showing despite champaign's pledge not to run attack ads. the criticisms and accusations have even been part of a chain email. which made an appearance here in greek chat.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072902286.html http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us...er&oref=slogin |
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Also, you'll notice that we haven't been saying that it's an issue with ALL Democrats, just Obama supporters (who could be Democrat, Republican, or whatever). I know many Democrats who aren't happy with Obama, or his platform. So, nice try in attempting to make this as a partisan thing but it's not. |
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The Obama Messiah phenomena is about timing, because people are desperately looking for something better, and about what people think change looks like. What better way to symbolize change than to have a charismatic, well-spoken, accomplished, and well-mannered (read: "not like the others" and "not how we're used to seeing 'them'" and "not a loud Reverend like Jesse Jackson") black man who people around the world are going googoo over. I don't think it holds much substance below the surface, but on the surface it makes America and the world look like a great deal of change is on its way. None of what I typed makes any of this any less humorous, of course. |
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There were a few Bush loyalists, absolutely - but I think (outside of the time right around 9/11, and that small group of loyalists lasting to today), that he had far more detractors, and that his following paled in comparison to Obama's current following. If nothing else, Bush's spending while in office alienated a large portion of the Republican party early on. I see what you're saying, and I agree with almost all of it - I just don't think (again, outside of the time around 9/11) that the support for Bush ever reached that "Messiah" level. Maybe that's because I never fully embraced his Presidency myself, who knows. |
I hear what you're saying and don't really disagree. :)
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Bush never represented hope and change and that was never his platform, aside from 9/11 as you said. However, when 9/11 came around he never had a chance to make that about him--maybe because he seems kind of like a socially inept dork who lacks charisma. It was always about GOD/National prayer, the people who lost their lives, and the terrorists. Poor Bush couldn't be the Messiah and effectively say "I am so cool and I will....." :) |
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I've seen the past few elections as a race between the lesser of two evils -- but in the case of Bush, II, I just never trusted him. Easy as that. But no group or candidate is free of your teflon analogy within their own circle of supporters. |
perhaps going back to the op, while mccain seems to say at every possible moment that he is against any and all new taxes, his actions and deeds seem to indicate other wise http://www.slate.com/id/2196336/
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Now, I expect all this mud slinging mumbo jumbo from the campaigns and the fundraisers and the protesters, etc... But all this coming straight from McCain's mouth... the guy who one the republican nomination by saying he will run a high-minded campaign... |
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and for those here who may not know of a rather well known non-political fact check site http://factcheck.org/ check out just how they take apart the ads that mccain is so proud of. as well as other ads. added: i just heard that mccains group has a new ad out with obama and charles heston. mccain claims that they are just having fun and sees nothing wrong with ad campaign. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-5NLDM26_4 It reminded me of a stereotypical church video... kind of like the Cruise Scientology one or the late night informercials. The video has this mockery of him being the messiah, but its whole point in the end is asking if he is ready to lead, which is weird, because the video does not sell this question. This was probably done by some campaign aide, and not someone who is involved with the PR of the campaign. |
and now they are going after the new york times. this, out of all the junk mccains champaign has pulled this week alone, almost just about makes some sense and as the story shows could have some benefit to them in some areas or quarters:
http://news.aol.com/elections/articl...970x1200352336 |
Obama's shift on drilling?
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t..._drilling.html I hate posting this stuff, because these types of story are useless without context. But, I'm kind of sick of this ridiculous idea that McCain is shifting more or less than Obama on issues. I really wish the Republicans hadn't used the "flip-flop" strategy against Kerry the last time around. Politicians have changes of heart and policy throughout the campaign anyway, and there were LOTS of other areas to use to criticize Kerry. |
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ut_energy.html after this weekend, factcheck and other sites like it will not doubt have updates sometime this upcoming week. |
I'm tired of politics becoming this giant game of "gotcha!" where everyone waits to jump on a candidate if he/she misspeaks, changes his/her mind, or seems to "flip/flop". I'm certainly all for holding candidates accountable, but it is being taken to an extreme.
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I love politics, and find all this talk very interesting, but I agree that it gets to be a bit much. |
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