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jon1856 07-15-2008 11:46 PM

Batman-The Dark Knight
 
I think by now most of the planet knows that this movie starts this week:
http://thedarkknight.warnerbros.com/

Found a rather interesting tie in: The History Channel (yes, you did read that correctly, The History Channel) has Batman Unmasked: The Psychology of the Dark Knight.
"Delve into the world of Batman and the vigilante justice that he brought to the city of Gotham. Batman is a man who, after experiencing great tragedy, devotes his life to an ideal--but what happens when one man takes on the evil underworld alone? Examine why Batman is who he is--and explore how a boy scarred by tragedy becomes a symbol of hope to everyone else."
http://www.history.com/shows.do?acti...isodeId=322796
Starts Wednesday night and repeats.

As for the movie itself, I think I will see it in IMAX in the afternoon.

ASUADPi 07-16-2008 11:58 PM

Now "word on the street" (i.e. directly from the actors in the movies' mouths) is that Heath Ledger might recieve an oscar nomination for his work posthumoursly (did I spell that right?). Gary Oldman has already stated this to the Associated Press (I read it in today's entertainment section of the Arizona Republic). Having not yet seen the movie (duh) I wouldn't know.

I wonder if he was nominated and won who would accept the award for him?

jon1856 07-17-2008 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ASUADPi (Post 1682374)
Now "word on the street" (i.e. directly from the actors in the movies' mouths) is that Heath Ledger might receive an Oscar nomination for his work posthumously (did I spell that right?). Gary Oldman has already stated this to the Associated Press (I read it in today's entertainment section of the Arizona Republic). Having not yet seen the movie (duh) I wouldn't know.

I wonder if he was nominated and won who would accept the award for him?

That "word" has been out for awhile now. Seems to get just getting louder as the opening date gets closer.

However based on what little I have seen including tonight on The History Channel, Mr. Ledger role and portrayal is "wow".

I will be seeing it this weekend in IMAX.

BTB-The show on History Channel is well worth the time.
And Ted and the Chi-Omaga murders are even part of the broadcast.

KSig RC 07-17-2008 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASUADPi (Post 1682374)
Now "word on the street" (i.e. directly from the actors in the movies' mouths) is that Heath Ledger might recieve an oscar nomination for his work posthumoursly (did I spell that right?). Gary Oldman has already stated this to the Associated Press (I read it in today's entertainment section of the Arizona Republic). Having not yet seen the movie (duh) I wouldn't know.

I wonder if he was nominated and won who would accept the award for him?

It's VERY hard to get a posthumous nomination, for a variety of reasons (certainly not limited to the fact that the Academy Awards are corrupt as shit and dead men owe no favors), especially for a "comic movie" . . . so while there is a groundswell, I'd be surprised.

Also, the actors in the movie are a terrible source for this sort of information. What else should they say?

CrackerBarrel 07-17-2008 12:44 AM

Particularly not since Ledger isn't even the best actor in the movie. Not even close to Christian Bale. It's all fine and good to want to compliment a dead man, but to think the second best actor in the movie is deserving of an Oscar for a freaking COMIC BOOK MOVIE is an absolute joke.

jon1856 07-17-2008 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1682405)
Particularly not since Ledger isn't even the best actor in the movie. Not even close to Christian Bale. It's all fine and good to want to compliment a dead man, but to think the second best actor in the movie is deserving of an Oscar for a freaking COMIC BOOK MOVIE is an absolute joke.

And source material is important for just what reason?
And IIRC, this is more based on the graphic novels than the comic books.
How about seeing the movie, and just how the work of the cast, crew and staff all fits together before making a judgment on the movie and all the work behind it. And how it all fits and works on the screen.

CrackerBarrel 07-17-2008 01:00 AM

I just have a problem with people making a big deal out of comic book movies. It's based on some poorly illustrated picture books for 8-14 year old boys, how freaking profound can it be?

I will give you that the Batman movies have tended to be significantly better than any of the other garbage the genre has put out, but I mean come on.

jon1856 07-17-2008 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1682415)
I just have a problem with people making a big deal out of comic book movies. It's based on some poorly illustrated picture books for 8-14 year old boys, how freaking profound can it be?

I will give you that the Batman movies have tended to be significantly better than any of the other garbage the genre has put out, but I mean come on.

And I have problems with people taking a good to great book and making very bad movies out of them.:(:mad:;)
And as for profound I would again suggest you watch History Channel show.
Yes it was a tie in but was very interesting and informative at many levels.
Tell you what CB-lets met up at the theater Saturday for the 12:30 PM IMAX show. I will even pop for the corn.

CrackerBarrel 07-17-2008 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1682418)
And I have problems with people taking a good to great book and making very bad movies out of them.:(:mad:;)
And as for profound I would again suggest you watch History Channel show.
Yes it was a tie in but was very interesting and informative at many levels.
Tell you what CB-lets met up at the theater Saturday for the 12:30 PM IMAX show. I will even pop for the corn.

I agree with you about books. The only three cases where I have really liked a book and still enjoyed the movie a great deal that I can think of were "American Psycho" (disturbing but still very good book and probably my favorite movie), "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" and "The Godfather".

jon1856 07-17-2008 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1682422)
I agree with you about books. The only three cases where I have really liked a book and still enjoyed the movie a great deal that I can think of were "American Psycho" (disturbing but still very good book and probably my favorite movie), "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" and "The Godfather".

No wonder why my system just crashed-we agree on 3 things all at once!:confused::eek::p:D
Now lets see if we agree on movie.

DSTCHAOS 07-17-2008 01:43 AM

I love "American Psycho!" :)

jon1856 07-17-2008 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1682435)
I love "American Psycho!" :)

And The Joker seems to be one.
This role does not seem to be even close to any other Joker done before.
A few more days and we all find out what is what.

DSTCHAOS 07-17-2008 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1682439)
And The Joker seems to be one.
This role does not seem to be even close to any other Joker done before.
A few more days and we all find out what is what.

I heard Ledger switched it up MAJORLY. I can't wait to see it.

I know people who are doing a Dark Knight gathering where a large group goes to the movies and does an afterparty. Cool. :) Even cooler if they had costumes. LOL.

moe.ron 07-17-2008 07:40 AM

Got my tixs for tomorrow's night show. :) :) :)

Going straight from work to the show. I'm so psyched. Will probably see it before most of you since my 8 o'clock at night show is 8 in the morning stateside.

KSigkid 07-17-2008 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1682390)
It's VERY hard to get a posthumous nomination, for a variety of reasons (certainly not limited to the fact that the Academy Awards are corrupt as shit and dead men owe no favors), especially for a "comic movie" . . . so while there is a groundswell, I'd be surprised.

I could see them giving Ledger the Oscar for just that reason; it would be a way for them to make even more of a spectacle out of the ceremony. Or maybe I'm just being really cynical.

If I remember correctly, the only actor to have died before his Oscar win was Peter Finch from "Network." I may be forgetting someone, though.

In terms of who would accept the award, I would think Michelle Williams would be the best choice.

As for movies that were almost as good as the books: "The Natural" was almost as good as the book (even though the endings and messages were completely different). "Atonement" also was an excellent movie based off a very good book. "Silence of the Lambs" was a case where I liked the movie better than the book.

jon1856 07-17-2008 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1682503)
I could see them giving Ledger the Oscar for just that reason; it would be a way for them to make even more of a spectacle out of the ceremony. Or maybe I'm just being really cynical.

If I remember correctly, the only actor to have died before his Oscar win was Peter Finch from "Network." I may be forgetting someone, though.

In terms of who would accept the award, I would think Michelle Williams would be the best choice.

As for movies that were almost as good as the books: "The Natural" was almost as good as the book (even though the endings and messages were completely different). "Atonement" also was an excellent movie based off a very good book. "Silence of the Lambs" was a case where I liked the movie better than the book.

Have not found details yet but this is sort of interesting:
"if he earns a nomination, he’ll be the seventh (and second-youngest, after James Dean) actor in if he earns a nomination, he’ll be the seventh (and second-youngest, after James Dean) actor in Oscar history ever to get a posthumous nod."
Just found it: Peter Finch only one who won the statue.

Along with Finch, past posthumous Oscar contenders include James Dean, who was nominated for best actor twice after his death, with 1955's "East of Eden" and 1956's "Giant." The other actors nominated after their deaths were Spencer Tracy (1967's "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner"); Ralph Richardson (1984's "Greystoke: The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes"); Massimo Troisi (1995's "The Postman"); and Jeanne Eagels (1929's "The Letter").

And the nominations fall on the one year anniversary of his death.

We will have to wait for moe.ron's report in the AM.

PeppyGPhiB 07-17-2008 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1682435)
I love "American Psycho!" :)

It's hip to be square!

BTW, Jack Nicholson's Joker performance in the old "Batman" was nominated for many awards, including the Golden Globes. So it is not unheard of for "comic book" movies to get acting nominations. And anyone who saw Batman Returns knows that this series of Batman movies is quite darker and more serious than the Batman series Jack was in.

nikki1920 07-17-2008 02:29 PM

Unitl I see The Dark Knight, I say the original 1988 Batman and Batman Begins are the best in the series. I still am a bit iffy about seeing Heath as Joker, but I've heard ALL positive reviews of his performance so far, thus, I am very interested in seeing his portrayal. He sitll won't be Jack, though.

wolffootball37 07-17-2008 02:56 PM

I agree im very excited to see Heath Ledgers performance. I here its close to Malcolm McDowell's performance in "A Clockwork Orange" which is my favorite movie, so im very excited to see "The Dark Night"!

DaemonSeid 07-17-2008 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1682440)
I heard Ledger switched it up MAJORLY. I can't wait to see it.

I know people who are doing a Dark Knight gathering where a large group goes to the movies and does an afterparty. Cool. :) Even cooler if they had costumes. LOL.

You dont strike me as one who would find that interesting....


or do you have a catsuit hanging up that no one knows about...I KNOW you don't have a Poison Ivy costume....heheheh

PeppyGPhiB 07-17-2008 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1682738)
You dont strike me as one who would find that interesting....


or do you have a catsuit hanging up that no one knows about...I KNOW you don't have a Poison Ivy costume....heheheh

The best was when the second Pirates of the Caribbean came out...I was waiting for my boyfriend at a restaurant in the same complex as a movie theatre, and it seemed like everyone going into the theatre that night - the opening night - was dressed up as a pirate, englishman, wench, parrot, etc. It was a sight to behold. Actually, I see a lot of people up here in Seattle dress up in costume for anticipated opening nights.

AOIIalum 07-17-2008 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikki1920 (Post 1682691)
Unitl I see The Dark Knight, I say the original 1988 Batman and Batman Begins are the best in the series. I still am a bit iffy about seeing Heath as Joker, but I've heard ALL positive reviews of his performance so far, thus, I am very interested in seeing his portrayal. He sitll won't be Jack, though.

I don't know if it's true or not, but I was able to see the opening scene of the film and IF it was, I'm buying Heath as The Joker. Can't wait to see the film and find out.

jon1856 07-17-2008 08:40 PM

Found the following here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4256384.shtml
"Nolan, who brought "Batman Begins" to the screen in 2005, returns to direct this sequel, "The Dark Knight."

"This film deals with the response from criminals, personified in the idea of who the Joker is," he told Whitaker - a conflicted hero versus a villain, pure evil.

As played by Heath Ledger in his last completed role before his death in January, the Joker is not some merry prankster in pancake makeup, but a demon, a terrorist, hell bent on anarchy.

"We're saying, 'What's the most frightening thing in the world today?' And to me it's anarchy and chaos, the things the Joker represents," Nolan said.

All this nightmare-inducing chaos from a 37-year-old director with the polished air of an English professor, who sees deep meaning in Batman.

Holy Box Office, Batman!

"The Dark Knight" Set To Make Ticket-Sales History

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/17/eveningnews/main4270286.shtml

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1682415)
I just have a problem with people making a big deal out of comic book movies. It's based on some poorly illustrated picture books for 8-14 year old boys, how freaking profound can it be?

I will give you that the Batman movies have tended to be significantly better than any of the other garbage the genre has put out, but I mean come on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1682440)
I heard Ledger switched it up MAJORLY. I can't wait to see it.

I know people who are doing a Dark Knight gathering where a large group goes to the movies and does an afterparty. Cool. :) Even cooler if they had costumes. LOL.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1682626)
It's hip to be square!

BTW, Jack Nicholson's Joker performance in the old "Batman" was nominated for many awards, including the Golden Globes. So it is not unheard of for "comic book" movies to get acting nominations. And anyone who saw Batman Returns knows that this series of Batman movies is quite darker and more serious than the Batman series Jack was in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikki1920 (Post 1682691)
Unitl I see The Dark Knight, I say the original 1988 Batman and Batman Begins are the best in the series. I still am a bit iffy about seeing Heath as Joker, but I've heard ALL positive reviews of his performance so far, thus, I am very interested in seeing his portrayal. He sitll won't be Jack, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolffootball37 (Post 1682731)
I agree im very excited to see Heath Ledgers performance. I here its close to Malcolm McDowell's performance in "A Clockwork Orange" which is my favorite movie, so im very excited to see "The Dark Night"!


DSTCHAOS 07-17-2008 08:49 PM

And I don't know what comic books CrackerBarrel has been reading but they are for more than 8-14 yr old boys. There are kiddie comics and adult comics--most of them are adult comics and that includes many superhero comics. When I was little, we used to spend our Saturdays in the comic book store and we were the ONLY kids who were EVER in there.

Movies based on comics are great if they don't mess up the characters.

DSTCHAOS 07-17-2008 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1682738)
You dont strike me as one who would find that interesting....

Because you don't know me. ;)

DaemonSeid 07-17-2008 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1682921)
Because you don't know me. ;)

Clearly.

CrackerBarrel 07-17-2008 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1682920)
And I don't know what comic books CrackerBarrel has been reading but they are for more than 8-14 yr old boys. There are kiddie comics and adult comics--most of them are adult comics and that includes many superhero comics. When I was little, we used to spend our Saturdays in the comic book store and we were the ONLY kids who were EVER in there.

Movies based on comics are great if they don't mess up the characters.

To be fair I think adult comics are worse. I'll say they are for 8-14 year olds because in my way of thinking if people older than 14 are looking at glorified picture books as their entertainment reading then we've already identified the problem.

DSTCHAOS 07-17-2008 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1682931)
To be fair I think adult comics are worse. I'll say they are for 8-14 year olds because in my way of thinking if people older than 14 are looking at glorified picture books as their entertainment reading then we've already identified the problem.

Comics ROCK and YOU DON'T. :)

I'm not talking about the adult socially inept dorks who do nothing but read comics. Comics are appreciated for their artwork and characters, only a few of them are celebrated for their complex story lines.

AOIIalum 07-17-2008 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1682932)
Comics ROCK and YOU DON'T. :)

Amen! Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 8. If that's what it took then Long Live Comics!

jon1856 07-17-2008 09:37 PM

I think, perhaps, the term that some posters here are missing is Graphic Novel.
They are generally not your fathers (or your own younger day) comics.
"A graphic novel is a type of comic book, usually with a lengthy and complex storyline similar to those of novels, and often aimed at mature audiences. The term also encompasses comic short story anthologies, and in some cases bound collections of previously published comic book series (more commonly referred to as trade paperbacks).
Graphic novels are typically bound in longer and more durable formats than familiar comic magazines, using the same materials and methods as printed books, and are generally sold in bookstores and specialty comic book shops rather than at newsstands.".....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_novel
http://www.cincinnatilibrary.org/spotlight/sp200601/

DSTCHAOS 07-17-2008 09:39 PM

If you do ONE MORE multi-quote I am going to get your power shut off, jon. :mad:

And, no, I'm not talking about graphic novels. I know what those are and didn't use the term for a reason. ;)

ETA: But graphic novels apply, too. It's like the the different kinds of cartoons. Some cartoons are for adults and others are for children. And you don't need a complex storyling to have an adult audience. They don't have to be a "Heavy Metal" (love it!) to be for adults.

CrackerBarrel 07-17-2008 09:43 PM

*Cough* Losers. *Cough*

I may see the movie because Christian Bale is a badass, but that is quite enough of this comic book garbage. This is a Greek website, not the star wars lair or Fark.

DSTCHAOS 07-17-2008 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1682955)
*Cough* Losers. *Cough*

I may see the movie because Christian Bale is a badass, but that is quite enough of this comic book garbage. This is a Greek website, not the star wars lair or Fark.


Take your ass out of this thread then.

CrackerBarrel 07-17-2008 09:47 PM

http://www.tech-shui.com/comic.book.guy.gif

jon1856 07-17-2008 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1682955)
*Cough* Losers. *Cough*

I may see the movie because Christian Bale is a badass, but that is quite enough of this comic book garbage. This is a Greek website, not the star wars lair or Fark.

Cough, Cough
Check the topic and section that this thread is within
General Chat-Entrainment-Batman: The Dark Knight.
:p;):D

DSTCHAOS 07-17-2008 09:49 PM

CrackerBarrels going to be the biggest dork about this movie after he sees it. :)

It's like my father when he didn't want to see Lion King years ago. He loved it so much that he had to stay until the credits went off. :) "Wait! I want to see who did the voice of Mfufu!!!" (there was no Mfufu, just saying....)

CrackerBarrel 07-17-2008 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1682958)
Cough, Cough
Check the topic and section that this thread is within
General chat-Entainment-Batman: The Dark Knight.
:p;):D

Exactly, entertainment. Talk about 80's music, alcohol, drugs, and sports. :D

DSTCHAOS 07-17-2008 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1682962)
Exactly, entertainment. Talk about 80's music, alcohol, drugs, and sports. :D

Create the thread and keep your ass outta this one. :D

jon1856 07-17-2008 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1682962)
Exactly, entertainment. Talk about 80's music, alcohol, drugs, and sports. :D

You can start another thread on any of those subject CB.
But this is not a thread about those topics.
In case you missed it: Entertainment >Batman-The Dark Knight.

luv n tpa 07-18-2008 03:41 AM

:eek: ... WOW. It was long. I really had to pee. But I was NOT moving from my seat. Except for the dozen or so moments when I flew out of it from the loud 'stun' music/shots.

Let's just say, as hard as I tried, I could not see Heath Ledger through the character. There was truly a psychopath on screen. Job well done!

And just for the record ... Christian Bale - DELICIOUS. :D


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