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sunnyhibiscus 06-20-2008 01:41 AM

17 teens at a MA school make a pact to get pregnant!
 
http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...815845,00.html

That is sick. Many of these girls are thinking , hey if Juno MacGruff and Jamie-Lynn Spears can have kids, so can I. Jamie Lynn admitted that she made a mistake.

KSUViolet06 06-20-2008 01:55 AM

I personally don't think Juno "glamourizes being a young mom." Even if it did, it's a movie.

If girls are saying they're getting pregnant because they're looking for unconditional love, that sounds like a parental issue--not an issue of what they're watching on TV/in movies.

This article makes me want to throw up in my mouth listening to how stupid they sound. Honestly, when I was 17, I damn sure wasn't planning my baby shower. I was planning how to talk my parents into buying the prom dress I wanted.

I bet most of those girls are really just into the "idea" of having a baby. They want the "attention" they see other girls getting when pregnant. They want to experience the "fun" of picking out baby clothes, nursery stuff, and having showers. They want to play "baby dress up" and show their babies off to their friends. They don't actually WANT to be parents. They just want the perceived "fun" stuff.

I can almost guarantee that having a baby will immediately become unfun and uncute after they have their babies and deal with the late night feedings, diapers, and having no money for themselves. The novelty of having a baby will go away, the only problem is that the baby itself does not.


breathesgelatin 06-20-2008 02:30 AM

I actually knew a girl who got pregnant our senior year of high school because she "wanted to be remembered as the girl who was pregnant at graduation." This was not your typical teen pregnancy mom. She was in AP Chemistry with me... It was so odd. She wasn't even one of the "fast" smart girls - I knew girls in my honors classes who were having sex but they were using birth control and didn't want to be pregnant... She was a really quiet, seemingly uptight girl. I guess she thought it might make her seem edgy? I'm guessing based on the "skater" image her boyfriend tried to have but he actually didn't fit in even with the other poser skaters. He was a total skeeze too and to me seemed like he must have mental problems. Very creepy. I heard by the time we started college he had totally flown the coop - literally ran away to Tennessee and didn't leave her any contact info or anything. I haven't heard of her in years. :(

tld221 06-20-2008 02:44 AM

i agree with everything said up above.

im pulling a race card here: would this even be a story if these girls (or the school/neighborhood) were not white? Because these same girls who are looking for love and think having a baby to raise is all fun times and giggles and even get pregnant with their friends to raise babies together--would probably be on Maury and made a spectacle of.

Send them to a bootcamp, a women and children's shelter, scare them straight and see how they feel at the babyshower.

who ARE the boys involved in all this--are they boyfriends, FWBs, random hookups? and seriously, one of the fathers is a homeless man? WTF?? are they all the same guy who thought it would be awesome to be a father to 17 babies at the same time?

and yeah, you go right ahead and blame TV/movies. that'll help. :rolleyes: x 1000. would it have been any better if these girls were ALL in committed, monogamous relationships? or if they had intentions on marrying their babydaddies? but ohhhhhhh, theyre UNWED, theyre lives are sure to be doomed.

breathesgelatin 06-20-2008 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 1670597)
i agree with everything said up above.

im pulling a race card here: would this even be a story if these girls (or the school/neighborhood) were not white? Because these same girls who are looking for love and think having a baby to raise is all fun times and giggles and even get pregnant with their friends to raise babies together--would probably be on Maury and made a spectacle of.

Send them to a bootcamp, a women and children's shelter, scare them straight and see how they feel at the babyshower.

who ARE the boys involved in all this--are they boyfriends, FWBs, random hookups? and seriously, one of the fathers is a homeless man? WTF?? are they all the same guy who thought it would be awesome to be a father to 17 babies at the same time?

and yeah, you go right ahead and blame TV/movies. that'll help. :rolleyes: x 1000. would it have been any better if these girls were ALL in committed, monogamous relationships? or if they had intentions on marrying their babydaddies? but ohhhhhhh, theyre UNWED, theyre lives are sure to be doomed.

Totally agreed with you on every point.

Actually in my experience, the black women I knew in high school were much more educated about their reproductive options and the rights afforded them than white women.

Also rolling my eyes at them trying to prevent the doctors from giving the girls birth control.

Senusret I 06-20-2008 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin (Post 1670593)
I actually knew a girl who got pregnant our senior year of high school because she "wanted to be remembered as the girl who was pregnant at graduation." This was not your typical teen pregnancy mom. She was in AP Chemistry with me... It was so odd. She wasn't even one of the "fast" smart girls - I knew girls in my honors classes who were having sex but they were using birth control and didn't want to be pregnant... She was a really quiet, seemingly uptight girl. I guess she thought it might make her seem edgy? I'm guessing based on the "skater" image her boyfriend tried to have but he actually didn't fit in even with the other poser skaters. He was a total skeeze too and to me seemed like he must have mental problems. Very creepy. I heard by the time we started college he had totally flown the coop - literally ran away to Tennessee and didn't leave her any contact info or anything. I haven't heard of her in years. :(

Maybe because it's early in the morning, but this was the most awesome story evar.

breathesgelatin 06-20-2008 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1670614)
Maybe because it's early in the morning, but this was the most awesome story evar.

:)

CBU Jeff 06-20-2008 10:38 AM

This story is crazy. I had a girl in my 7th grade class get pregnant. I didn't quite understand it then, but now, I can't even fathom. I'm 24 and am not ready for kids yet.

UGAalum94 06-20-2008 12:00 PM

I don't know you all. This doesn't seem like it's a case where the girls didn't know how babies were made and got pregnant by accident. Whether they could get contraceptives at the school doesn't seem to be the real issue when people are actively trying to get pregnant although if that's your agenda 17 pregnancies might theoretically help you make your case.

I'll admit that all my knowledge of Gloucester is limited to reading The Perfect Storm, but I think that for some families the economic circumstances are bleak enough that they don't see having the baby as hurting their futures. I think life is pretty sucky even without the boot camp.

And I think that the coverage is different, maybe partially because of race, but mainly because they have evidence that the girls got together and all deliberately decided to get pregnant, not accidentally got pregnant because they were teenage idiots who didn't think normal reproductive biology applied to them, which is how the media seems to want to sell it usually. To me too it seems like a really different case.

It sounded to me like they might be looking to prosecute some of the daddies. I doubt their finding out that one dad was a 24 year old homeless guy was purely for recreation.

DSTCHAOS 06-20-2008 12:47 PM

Girls at my middle school and high school had pregnancy pacts. This was 13-17 years ago and there weren't cool movies out that were blamed for glamourizing teen pregnancy. So it was either not discussed or blamed on something other than the media.

17 girls in a pregnancy boom is contextually a big deal. But this is even more of a big deal because of the demographic that is being hit. That's also why Jamie Lynn Spears and Juno are seen as "the example." I wonder how widespread this really is because if it isn't widespread, this is just another example of how the small scale incidents of some become action-worthy and discussion-worthy "emergencies." Interesting.

Kevlar281 06-20-2008 12:52 PM

Wait, wait, wait…Juno glamorized teen pregnancy? Did I completely miss the point of that movie?

DSTCHAOS 06-20-2008 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 1670597)
im pulling a race card here: would this even be a story if these girls (or the school/neighborhood) were not white? Because these same girls who are looking for love and think having a baby to raise is all fun times and giggles and even get pregnant with their friends to raise babies together--would probably be on Maury and made a spectacle of.

Race isn't a "card" but to answer your question, no. :)

I thought we were going to ignore the obvious and not go THERE. :p

DSTCHAOS 06-20-2008 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevlar281 (Post 1670733)
Wait, wait, wait…Juno glamorized teen pregnancy? Did I completely miss the message of that movie?

I can see how Juno can be seen as glamorizing teen pregnancy.

Plus, the movie wouldn't have worked if the cast wasn't "cutesy" (and white). It was reaching a target audience that isn't disproportionately impacted by teen pregnancy. That's why the movie and whatever message it has was allowed to appear watered down and "cool" to some.

Kevlar281 06-20-2008 01:06 PM

Doh, you quoted me pre-edit. The only thing that I found cutesy/watered down about Juno was the parent’s reaction to the pregnancy. They took it really well. Interesting fact about Juno…it was written by a stripper.

squirrely girl 06-20-2008 01:13 PM

and juno gave the baby up. i just don't think really recent popular culture should be blamed here.

DSTCHAOS 06-20-2008 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrely girl (Post 1670746)
i just don't think really recent popular culture should be blamed here.

Definitely not because teen pregnancy in other communities isn't blamed on popular culture but instead a pathological community. :)

RU OX Alum 06-20-2008 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrely girl (Post 1670746)
and juno gave the baby up. i just don't think really recent popular culture should be blamed here.

yeah really!

I have nothing to add to this thread except I agree with you and DSTCHAOS

jon1856 06-20-2008 01:25 PM

I heard about this story just about at the same time I saw an ad for a new reality show.
The show, IIRC the name correctly, is Baby Borrowers.
Seems as if they give young couples real young kids to take care of.

Have seen only the ad, but could be a rather good eye opener for some.

tld221 06-20-2008 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1670734)
Race isn't a "card" but to answer your question, no. :)

I thought we were going to ignore the obvious and not go THERE. :p

touche, sistergreek. :cool:

and thanks guys, for ruining Juno for me. one less movie to see. :mad:

Munchkin03 06-20-2008 01:58 PM

Hmmm...part of me wants to think that the 24-year old homeless guy is just some hippie who couch surfs between friends and relatives, and not an actual bum.

33girl 06-20-2008 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1670758)
I heard about this story just about at the same time I saw an ad for a new reality show.
The show, IIRC the name correctly, is Baby Borrowers.
Seems as if they give young couples real young kids to take care of.

Stunt baby?

I agree w/ DSTChaos though, I don't think you can blame Juno or Jamie Lynn for this, teenage girls have been doing dumb things to get love for a couple millenia now.

jon1856 06-20-2008 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1670771)
Hmmm...part of me wants to think that the 24-year old homeless guy is just some hippie who couch surfs between friends and relatives, and not an actual bum.

Just saw CNN-seems as if he is homeless person.
That thought alone makes me wonder about this whole matter even more.

KSig RC 06-20-2008 02:20 PM

Referencing Juno here is hilarious, to me - you'd really have to ignore the last 30 minutes of the movie here.

Past that, I really don't care - this doesn't seem surprising or even really troubling. Stupid moderately-privileged kids do stupid shit then get on the news for it? Stop the presses.

CBU Jeff 06-20-2008 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1670780)
Referencing Juno here is hilarious, to me - you'd really have to ignore the last 30 minutes of the movie here.

Past that, I really don't care - this doesn't seem surprising or even really troubling. Stupid moderately-privileged kids do stupid shit then get on the news for it? Stop the presses.


Hilarious, true and sad, yet funny

Senusret I 06-20-2008 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 1670767)

and thanks guys, for ruining Juno for me. one less movie to see. :mad:

Ditto. :(

sunnyhibiscus 06-20-2008 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 1670597)
i agree with everything said up above.

im pulling a race card here: would this even be a story if these girls (or the school/neighborhood) were not white? Because these same girls who are looking for love and think having a baby to raise is all fun times and giggles and even get pregnant with their friends to raise babies together--would probably be on Maury and made a spectacle of.

Those people on Maury can't keep their legs closed.

DSTCHAOS 06-20-2008 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1670794)
Ditto. :(

There wasn't a spoiler. :)

PeppyGPhiB 06-20-2008 08:56 PM

I hope the parents of these girls make them actually raise the babies, if they keep them, and don't let them get away with birthin' 'em and moving on with life. If there's anything to get out of this sucky situation it's a lesson!

KSigkid 06-20-2008 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 1670767)
touche, sistergreek. :cool:

and thanks guys, for ruining Juno for me. one less movie to see. :mad:

Nothing was said in this thread that can't be seen in the previews - so don't worry, the movie wasn't spoiled. Watch it, it's a good movie.


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