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starang21 06-16-2008 01:54 PM

Obama to put basketball court in White House
 
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06...rt-if-elected/

tld221 06-16-2008 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1668827)

haha, thats funny. of course Fox would put it on their site from AP.

now if this basketball court actually comes to fruition, hehe. well see.

ThetaDancer 06-16-2008 02:01 PM

Haha.
Also, did you read some of comments responding to it? Good grief.

starang21 06-16-2008 02:13 PM

isn't it sad?

LOL

tld221 06-16-2008 02:26 PM

yeah, i mean he made the comment in jest on Jimmy freaking Kimmel. It wasnt like he was at a debate.

now im sure if Hilary jested that she wanted to replace the bowling alley with a spa (or something stereotypical) there'd be similar uproar.

Pessimist Null 06-16-2008 03:05 PM

He'd probably just sprain his ankle

jon1856 06-16-2008 03:55 PM

IIRC-the bowling area replaced a pool as some point in time.
When I saw this on TV I had a feeling that this was going to happen.

DaemonSeid 06-16-2008 04:13 PM

So, what would McCain put in


- A shooting gallery

- A brewery

- An Assisted living center

- An ICU....?

KSigkid 06-16-2008 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 1668829)
haha, thats funny. of course Fox would put it on their site from AP.

now if this basketball court actually comes to fruition, hehe. well see.

Quote:

Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1668839)
isn't it sad?

LOL

FYI, CNN also had the story on their site; I guess that's funny/sad as well.

OneTimeSBX 06-16-2008 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1668884)
So, what would McCain put in


- A shooting gallery

- A brewery

- An Assisted living center

- An ICU....?

:D

that icu sounds nice lol, he'll need it by year 2, all that work he's gonna have to do to fix Bush's screwups.

TexasWSP 06-16-2008 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1668884)
So, what would McCain put in


- A shooting gallery

- A brewery

Both of which are cooler than a basketball court.

PhiGam 06-16-2008 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasWSP (Post 1668914)
Both of which are cooler than a basketball court.

Agreed.

starang21 06-16-2008 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1668884)
- A shooting gallery

- A brewery

wait.....maybe i should vote for him......

DaemonSeid 06-16-2008 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1668964)
wait.....maybe i should vote for him......

stooopid.

jon1856 06-16-2008 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1668908)
FYI, CNN also had the story on their site; I guess that's funny/sad as well.

Just wondering where the CNN link is?
I found a reference to Fox New/AP story but none on CNN itself.

All in all, seems to be either a poorly written and/or edited story.

If one saw it, it was a very much tongue in cheek comment.

And as I pointed out, things do get changed all time in the White House.

And as someone at my gym pointed out: "Just how would members of of Washington Sport Clubs ( or any other) feel if they were told that the gym was closed for a few hours?"

But then again, the Congress has a rather large gym of their own.
Could the President use it?

DeltAlum 06-16-2008 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1668877)
IIRC-the bowling area replaced a pool as some point in time.
When I saw this on TV I had a feeling that this was going to happen.

As I recall, JFK had the pool as therapy for his chronically bad back.

I think Nixon had the pool covered and had the bowling alley installed.

But, I have no proof of either.

ETA, I don't think the Secret Service would want him in a pick up game on the corner if he's elected.

jon1856 06-16-2008 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltAlum (Post 1668998)
As I recall, JFK had the pool as therapy for his chronically bad back.

I think Nixon had the pool covered and had the bowling alley installed.

But, I have no proof of either.

ETA, I don't think the Secret Service would want him in a pick up game on the corner if he's elected.

Well, it seems as if I had some information incorrect.
There is an outdoor pool.
There was an indoor pool. It is now covered by the press room.
And there is an one lane bowling alley.
Not sure that is even big enough for a half court.

And if I could find this, just because I was courious and in truth not 100% sure of what I posted, I am sure any newsperson involved in writting a story about this could find it as well.

Links for background:
http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/west...efing-room.htm
http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/grounds/pool.htm
http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/floo...ling-alley.htm

Lets not forget that the White House has a movie room and they can get what ever movie they want at any time:
http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/east-wing/theater.htm

KSigkid 06-16-2008 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1668995)
Just wondering where the CNN link is?
I found a reference to Fox New/AP story but none on CNN itself.

All in all, seems to be either a poorly written and/or edited story.

If one saw it, it was a very much tongue in cheek comment.

And as I pointed out, things do get changed all time in the White House.

And as someone at my gym pointed out: "Just how would members of of Washington Sport Clubs ( or any other) feel if they were told that the gym was closed for a few hours?"

It's mentioned here: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS...l?eref=edition

It was also on AOL:
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/obama-f...7?ecid=RSS0001

jon1856 06-16-2008 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1669016)

Thank you.
IMVHO/POV, AP writer and/or editor could have done a better job with it.
Words, from what I can recall seeing/hearing, are correct. However the context is weak and could have been more fleshed out.

Thetagirl218 06-17-2008 01:46 AM

My response to this....There's not one already?

And honestly, what is the big deal?

The bowling alley was added as a birthday gift to President Truman.

Until recently the Press room was on top of the indoor swimming pool that was built for FDR!

The movie theater was built in the 1940s.......Though the first movie ever shown in the White House was "Birth of a Nation" in 1915.....IMO one of the most horrific movies of all time.

I really don't see why a basketball court is a big deal!

ree-Xi 06-17-2008 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Thetagirl218 (Post 1669103)
My response to this....There's not one already?

And honestly, what is the big deal?

The bowling alley was added as a birthday gift to President Truman.

Until recently the Press room was on top of the indoor swimming pool that was built for FDR!

The movie theater was built in the 1940s.......Though the first movie ever shown in the White House was "Birth of a Nation" in 1915.....IMO one of the most horrific movies of all time.

I really don't see why a basketball court is a big deal!

I think that putting in a basketball court is a pretty good idea. It shows that he is interested in being athletic/active, that he can be a "team player", that he is interested in something that you can find in any nieghborhood - regardless of demographics. I mean, you can find a pickup game on school fields, driveways, dead end streets, in the burbs and the cities. It's a societal equalizer.

I think it speaks to the younger (post boomer) generation in many ways. And if it's his "thing", as opposed to jogging, I don't think that it's an unreasonable accomodation.

And regarding jogging - anyone remember the SNL skit when Phil Hartman was Bill Clinton, he was jogging with his secret service, and stopped at a McDonalds? He was eating french fries off people's plates....funny stuff!

TexasWSP 06-17-2008 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ree-Xi (Post 1669137)
I think that putting in a basketball court is a pretty good idea. It shows that he is interested in being athletic/active, that he can be a "team player", that he is interested in something that you can find in any nieghborhood - regardless of demographics. I mean, you can find a pickup game on school fields, driveways, dead end streets, in the burbs and the cities. It's a societal equalizer.


I think you're looking just a little too much into it. I really don't think the idea of him putting in a basketball court, IF he is elected, is one that shows his commitment to social equality and his willingness to work with others. It means he likes to play basketball. Most in-the-spotlight basketball players are whiny, overpaid, ball hogs, haha.

DSTCHAOS 06-17-2008 12:09 PM

All the bullisht aside, this has gotten the reacton that it's gotten (not by people in this thread) because:

BASKETBALL = BLACK
BASKETBALL = STREET
BASKETBALL = NONELITE
BASKETBALL = LOWER CLASS
blahzey blah

The Repubs and nonRepubs who have made this into a silly "issue" are using these images because of the threat of a black man, who is a Democrat, possibly becoming POTUS. Politics is never just about politics.

tld221 06-17-2008 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1669221)
All the bullisht aside, this has gotten the reacton that it's gotten (not by people in this thread) because:

BASKETBALL = BLACK
BASKETBALL = STREET
BASKETBALL = NONELITE
BASKETBALL = LOWER CLASS
blahzey blah

The Repubs and nonRepubs who have made this into a silly "issue" are using these images because of the threat of a black man, who is a Democrat, possibly becoming POTUS. Politics is never just about politics.

see, i thought this was a given and we just weren't addressing it. i mean this is where my head was from the start.

KarmaKarma 06-17-2008 12:56 PM

Obama is a good man

DSTCHAOS 06-17-2008 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 1669228)
see, i thought this was a given and we just weren't addressing it. i mean this is where my head was from the start.

It's a given to people who aren't in denial. :) If not for denial, this would be nontopic.

Munchkin03 06-17-2008 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1669221)
All the bullisht aside, this has gotten the reacton that it's gotten (not by people in this thread) because:

BASKETBALL = BLACK
BASKETBALL = STREET
BASKETBALL = NONELITE
BASKETBALL = LOWER CLASS
blahzey blah

The Repubs and nonRepubs who have made this into a silly "issue" are using these images because of the threat of a black man, who is a Democrat, possibly becoming POTUS. Politics is never just about politics.


EXACTLY. It's also the same thing with Fox News referrring to Michelle Obama as a "baby mama." It's not enough that both Obamas are double-Ivy graduates who have worked at one of the nation's top law firms, or that they're overachievers by anyone's standard. For all that, the media wants to knock them down to look ghetto. I experience it in my daily life, and I'm sick and tired of it.

DSTCHAOS 06-17-2008 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1669269)
EXACTLY. It's also the same thing with Fox News referrring to Michelle Obama as a "baby mama." It's not enough that both Obamas are double-Ivy graduates who have worked at one of the nation's top law firms, or that they're overachievers by anyone's standard. For all that, the media wants to knock them down to look ghetto. I experience it in my daily life, and I'm sick and tired of it.

On one side:
This is yet another reminder to minorities that no matter how far you've come, you're still an (insert slur for racial, gender, or sexual orientation minority group) in "most" people's eyes. A black lawyer getting pulled over for DWB gets the same kind of reminders. It's just a question of when and how you'll be reminded. So we can try harder than the rest to be on level ground, but we must always remember not to get lost or swayed by the nonsense.

On the other side:
This is a way of frightening whites into believing that the Obamas aren't any "different" than any other black person who they wouldn't want working for their company, playing with their kids, or coming over for dinner. Just a regular black person in a suit who "talks white."

"Look!! He's going to have a BASKETBALL COURT with loud blasting music. He wasn't joking!! Don't believe that. He will also hold fish fries and Madea family reunions at the White House. We've got bigger fish to fry, (white) Americans, and can't let this country become GHETTOIZED!"

Elephant Walk 06-17-2008 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1669221)
BASKETBALL = BLACK
BASKETBALL = STREET
BASKETBALL = NONELITE
BASKETBALL = LOWER CLASS
blahzey blah

Absolutely true, but it doesn't make much sense to hook it to Obama until he did it himself. Obama seems to be incredibly elitist, higher class, and the least street person. He's not even fully black.

I'm not saying it's good, but it seems Obama postures himself to be a "regular black guy", which is not the case. The little "fist bump" and talking about "baby mamma" and putting in a basketball court seems to be evidences of this. He's not a commoner, but pretends to be. Dubya did this sort of thing. Bill Clinton did this to a much greater degree. The only difference is Obama tries to play to his "stereotypical black" roots, whereas Dubya and Clinton were cowboy/country respectively.

DSTCHAOS 06-17-2008 02:08 PM

Also, I am one of many who were annoyed when Obama was celebrated as some well-speaking orator as if people expected him to be saying "heebajeeba...Ibeeyoubeee."

Celebrate his accomplishments if you must but don't celebrate him for essentially speaking well and having a charisma that wouldn't be so celebrated if he was the (typical) white male candidate.

DSTCHAOS 06-17-2008 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1669271)
Absolutely true, but it doesn't make much sense to hook it to Obama until he did it himself. Obama seems to be incredibly elitist, higher class, and the least street person. He's not even fully black.

I'm not saying it's good, but it seems Obama postures himself to be a "regular black guy", which is not the case. The little "fist bump" and talking about "baby mamma" and putting in a basketball court seems to be evidences of this. He's not a commoner, but pretends to be. Dubya did this sort of thing. Bill Clinton did this to a much greater degree. The only difference is Obama tries to play to his "stereotypical black" roots, whereas Dubya and Clinton were cowboy/country respectively.

:confused: Being biracial doesn't make Obama not black or less black. Race is a social construct. I would've never guessed that he was biracial until it was disclosed to me.

Dubya and Bill Clinton are products of their country arse environments. Being wealthy and elite doesn't preclude enjoying many things that others from their areas enjoy. It doesn't mean they are faking it or trying to be something they're not.

Growing up in middle class and wealthy black circles has never meant that blacks could not relate to and enjoy things that blacks in other socioeconomic strata relate to and enjoy. Class differences across race don't have the magnitude that people assume they do.

I agree with you that it seems that some of the stereotypes are being played up by Obama and that may be an attempt to appeal to the average non-elitist American and his constituency. However, The ISSUE is that the naysayers are playing on the negative stereotypes of blackness and acting like black is something that SHOULD be ignored or downplayed. If Obama was the blackest of the blackenest black, but had the same class standing and credentials, why is that a problem whereas whiteness is never a problem?

DaemonSeid 06-17-2008 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1669275)
:confused: Being biracial doesn't make Obama not black or less black. Race is a social construct. I would've never guessed that he was biracial until it was disclosed to me.

Dubya and Bill Clinton are products of their country arse environments. Being wealthy and elite doesn't preclude enjoying many things that others from their areas enjoy. It doesn't mean they are faking it or trying to be something they're not.

Growing up in middle class and wealthy black circles has never meant that blacks could not relate to and enjoy things that blacks in other socioeconomic strata relate to and enjoy. Class differences across race don't have the magnitude that people assume they do.

I agree with you that it seems that some of the stereotypes are being played up by Obama and that may be an attempt to appeal to the average non-elitist American and his constituency. However, The ISSUE is that the naysayers are playing on the negative stereotypes of blackness and acting like black is something that SHOULD be ignored or downplayed. If Obama was the blackest of the blackenest black, but had the same class standing and credentials, why is that a problem whereas whiteness is never a problem?

I just see the watermelon and chicken jokes coming......

That reminds me...Curious George analogy is rising up in a different form....

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_9587847?source=rss

http://www.thesockobama.com/

DSTCHAOS 06-17-2008 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1669277)
I just see the watermelon and chicken jokes coming......

Uh...they started early in his life and got stronger when he announced his candidancy for president.

starang21 06-17-2008 02:32 PM

i'm voting mccain.

DaemonSeid 06-17-2008 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1669283)
i'm voting mccain.

that's nice.....let me know how that works out for you

starang21 06-17-2008 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1669294)
that's nice.....let me know how that works out for you

it should work out pretty well. next trip i'm going to the white house and checking out the presidential wheel chair

DaemonSeid 06-17-2008 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1669300)
it should work out pretty well. next trip i'm going to the white house and checking out the presidential wheel chair

can you check on the stasis unit also while you are there?

jitterbug13 06-17-2008 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1669221)
All the bullisht aside, this has gotten the reacton that it's gotten (not by people in this thread) because:

BASKETBALL = BLACK
BASKETBALL = STREET
BASKETBALL = NONELITE
BASKETBALL = LOWER CLASS
blahzey blah

The Repubs and nonRepubs who have made this into a silly "issue" are using these images because of the threat of a black man, who is a Democrat, possibly becoming POTUS. Politics is never just about politics.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1669269)
EXACTLY. It's also the same thing with Fox News referrring to Michelle Obama as a "baby mama." It's not enough that both Obamas are double-Ivy graduates who have worked at one of the nation's top law firms, or that they're overachievers by anyone's standard. For all that, the media wants to knock them down to look ghetto. I experience it in my daily life, and I'm sick and tired of it.

*applause*

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1669277)
I just see the watermelon and chicken jokes coming......

That reminds me...Curious George analogy is rising up in a different form....

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_9587847?source=rss

http://www.thesockobama.com/

I guess you haven't seen the doll, which look more like my five year old cousin in the sun than Obama.

Black Voices story (which includes the doll): http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/200...y-sock-monkey/

Elephant Walk 06-17-2008 06:00 PM

Quote:

Dubya and Bill Clinton are products of their country arse environments. Being wealthy and elite doesn't preclude enjoying many things that others from their areas enjoy. It doesn't mean they are faking it or trying to be something they're not.
I agree, but still...

read this onion article
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42590

"Long-Awaited Beer With Bush Really Awkward, Voter Reports"

Pretty funny.

DaemonSeid 06-17-2008 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jitterbug13 (Post 1669335)
*applause*



I guess you haven't seen the doll, which look more like my five year old cousin in the sun than Obama.

Black Voices story (which includes the doll): http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/200...y-sock-monkey/

I saw the doll which is why i stated as much and yes, I think it is offensive.


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