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DaemonSeid 06-06-2008 12:50 PM

Man hit by car; No one stops to help
 
A surveillance camera captures disturbing footage of a hit and run in Hartford, Connecticut, that left a man paralyzed. But what it shows after
the accident is what really has the police chief outraged.

"The guy landed on the ground, blood everywhere, his head was cracked."

Angel Torres was crossing the street on Friday (May 30) when a car swerved over the center line, hit him and kept going. Torres landed in the middle of the road. Ten cars passed by Torres. Two others turned around and went the opposite way. Witnesses who stopped to gawk never called 911.

A police officer, on his way to another call, saw Torres in the street and called dispatch for an ambulance.

"It's a clear indication of what we have become," said Hartford Police Chief Daryl Roberts. "We see a man laying in the
street who has been hit by a car and people are just driving by, and people around him walk by him. People always say 'what are the police doing'. That is
not a police problem."

Police are now asking witnesses who kept driving to contact detectives and do the right thing.

"At the end of the day, we have to look at ourselves and understand that our moral values have changed and we have no regard for ourselves," said Chief Roberts.

http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/man...to_help/14587/

It's a testament to the quality of life when somethign like this is caught on film...definently grounds for Social Psychology study on Helping behavior.

jon1856 06-06-2008 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1664229)
A surveillance camera captures disturbing footage of a hit and run in Hartford, Connecticut, that left a man paralyzed. But what it shows after
the accident is what really has the police chief outraged.

"The guy landed on the ground, blood everywhere, his head was cracked."

Angel Torres was crossing the street on Friday (May 30) when a car swerved over the center line, hit him and kept going. Torres landed in the middle of the road. Ten cars passed by Torres. Two others turned around and went the opposite way. Witnesses who stopped to gawk never called 911.

A police officer, on his way to another call, saw Torres in the street and called dispatch for an ambulance.

"It's a clear indication of what we have become," said Hartford Police Chief Daryl Roberts. "We see a man laying in the
street who has been hit by a car and people are just driving by, and people around him walk by him. People always say 'what are the police doing'. That is
not a police problem."

Police are now asking witnesses who kept driving to contact detectives and do the right thing.

"At the end of the day, we have to look at ourselves and understand that our moral values have changed and we have no regard for ourselves," said Chief Roberts.

http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/man...to_help/14587/

It's a testament to the quality of life when somethign like this is caught on film...definently grounds for Social Psychology study on Helping behavior.

I saw an update on this story. There were at least three 911 calls placed after accident. But the very fact, as pointed out, that no one even came to his side is at the least so sad.

DSTCHAOS 06-06-2008 01:04 PM

I wouldn't have stopped but I would've called the police.

KSigkid 06-06-2008 01:30 PM

I live right around Hartford, and work/go to school there. It's a huge story around here, for a variety of reasons. The victim's son is shown on the front page of the main newspaper (The Hartford Courant) pleading for witnesses to come forward. The street where it happened, Park Street, is a fairly busy area of the city, which makes it even more astounding that no one came to his aid.

Also, to say that the city's administration and police department have been under scrutiny lately doesn't begin to describe things. A lot of people are watching closely to see how this case is handled (or mishandled, whatever the case may be).

TorrentRain 06-06-2008 01:37 PM

callous onlookers :mad: ... never want to be in that city if you need help, and not surprised since most people in Connecticut are wealthy and don't care about anyone else.

Tom Earp 06-06-2008 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1664234)
I wouldn't have stopped but I would've called the police.

So, you would not have stopped and why? You may have been able to help keep him alive.:rolleyes:

That seems to be the problem with people today, the hell with our fellow man kind!

Would I have stopped, a big hell yes, I care and am not totaly lethargic about things.

I hope they get the person that hit and killed this person and prosecute them to the fullest. That is vehicular homocide and that is a felony!

preciousjeni 06-06-2008 01:39 PM

Don't jaywalk, people. :( I would definitely have stopped and called the police. I might have even gone to check on him and reassure him that help was on the way. But, there's only so much one can do who is not trained to handle medical emergencies. If you touch him and hurt him more, you can be sued (good samaritan laws be damned). If you're in the middle of the street, you could get hit yourself.

But, I could have sworn that one of the people who ran into the road put a phone to his/her ear. Maybe I was just seeing things.

SydneyK 06-06-2008 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorrentRain (Post 1664254)
most people in Connecticut are wealthy and don't care about anyone else.

Right. 'Cause we all know that only poor people care about others. :rolleyes:

1908Revelations 06-06-2008 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1664257)
Don't jaywalk, people. :( I would definitely have stopped and called the police. I might have even gone to check on him and reassure him that help was on the way. But, there's only so much one can do who is not trained to handle medical emergencies. If you touch him and hurt him more, you can be sued (good samaritan laws be damned). If you're in the middle of the street, you could get hit yourself.

But, I could have sworn that one of the people who ran into the road put a phone to his/her ear. Maybe I was just seeing things.

Yeah I agree, but jaywalking should not get people ran the eff over and left to die.

I KNOW I would have called the police and I probably would have gone to his side. Of course I would not move him as I am not trained, but I would have done more than make a u-turn. That is really sad.

Dionysus 06-06-2008 01:43 PM

Good example of bystander apathy. It's really disturbing to know that the more people are present in a crisis the less likely they will help.

jon1856 06-06-2008 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dionysus (Post 1664264)
Good example of bystander apathy. It's really disturbing to know that the more people are present in a crisis the less likely they will help.

^^^^While reading the new postings, I was starting to think about this as well.:(

preciousjeni 06-06-2008 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dionysus (Post 1664264)
Good example of bystander apathy. It's really disturbing to know that the more people are present in a crisis the less likely they will help.

Quote:

If you are the only person reacting to an emergency, point directly to a specific bystander and give them a specific task such as, "You. Call the police." These steps place all responsibility on a specific person instead of allowing it to diffuse.
I have personally found this to be the best course of action in an emergency. When you call out "somebody call 911" people look around like "ok so who's calling?" Crazy humans. When you point to someone, it jolts them out of their shock and brings them back to responsibility. A person can help. "People" cannot. So true.

catiebug 06-06-2008 01:57 PM

As someone who lives in Connecticut, I have to ask - And you know this how???

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorrentRain (Post 1664254)
...most people in Connecticut are wealthy and don't care about anyone else.


laylo 06-06-2008 01:59 PM

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...stander+effect

KSigkid 06-06-2008 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catiebug (Post 1664274)
As someone who lives in Connecticut, I have to ask - And you know this how???

Seriously - have to love broad generalizations.

preciousjeni 06-06-2008 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catiebug (Post 1664274)
As someone who lives in Connecticut, I have to ask - And you know this how???

Obviously all the people standing around had wealth beyond their imagination, right? Especially the person standing at the bus stop with no car.

TorrentRain 06-06-2008 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1664280)
Seriously - have to love broad generalizations.

i stayed in Hartford for a month ... i can pretty much back up what i say. obviously i should have put a disclaimer indicating "not all" people.

KSigkid 06-06-2008 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorrentRain (Post 1664286)
i stayed in Hartford for a month ... i can pretty much back up what i say. obviously i should have put a disclaimer indicating "not all" people.

Don't mean to hijack the thread here, but...

I grew up in the greater Hartford area, and live their currently, so here's my take on it: Only a very small section of Hartford is what one would consider wealthy. If you're talking about the West End, around UConn Law, or the area around the Governor's Mansion, then yes, those areas are extremely wealthy. However, the rest of the city (Hartford's North End, the Albany Ave. area, etc.) is far from wealthy. I wouldn't even say that "most" of the city is wealthy; it's concentrated in a few neighborhoods.

Now, if you're talking about the people who come to work in Hartford (like the lawyers and businesspeople), then yes, there are a lot of upper middle class/upper class workers who come into the city every day.

laylo 06-06-2008 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorrentRain (Post 1664286)
i stayed in Hartford for a month ... i can pretty much back up what i say. obviously i should have put a disclaimer indicating "not all" people.

Hartford is the second poorest city over 100,000 in the US. The average per capita income is $13,428. Not that your statement would hold weight if it were wealthy.

catiebug 06-06-2008 02:31 PM

Wow! A whole month!!!
:rolleyes:

I have lived here for 10 years and work not too far from where this happened. KSigkid grew up here; I know there are others here on GC who live in Connecticut. Something tells me our Connecticut experience beats your "whole month."

Sorry to hijack this very serious thread, but broad generalizations don't help anybody.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorrentRain (Post 1664286)
i stayed in Hartford for a month ... i can pretty much back up what i say.


DSTCHAOS 06-06-2008 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1664255)
So, you would not have stopped and why?

Because I can call the police in my car.

AKA_Monet 06-06-2008 02:50 PM

Back to the subject:

Is there a "good Samaritan law" or policy in place in Connecticut? Just asking?

Pedestrians always have the right away in my state. I guess folks do not care or honor it these days--too busy running along trying to get where they need to go and how to get there...

The issue is if we ALL don't slow down sometimes in our lives, our bodies, our age, The Universe or God will do it for you, one way or another... That is why NUMEROUS cultures practice a form of meditation/prayer, etc. From a biological standpoint somehow that act of self-induced calm focuses our thoughts, organs and beings to where we can have awareness and consciousness of all our actions.

Apparently, both persons involved were meander in life until something hit them... The guy that speed on, has to deal with this, he will be found out over time...

And the guy who was struck if he heals in any form will know his faith in humanity is lost--forever...

Somehow, I just know "The Universe" will respond to this issue...

KSigkid 06-06-2008 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1664308)
Back to the subject:

Is there a "good Samaritan law" or policy in place in Connecticut? Just asking?

CT has a Good Samaritan Law in place for those trained in CPR, and those in certain professions (Connecticut General Statute Section 52-557b):

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/pub/Chap9...Sec52-557b.htm

AKA_Monet 06-06-2008 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1664317)
CT has a Good Samaritan Law in place for those trained in CPR, and those in certain professions (Connecticut General Statute Section 52-557b):

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/pub/Chap9...Sec52-557b.htm

So how many folks are trained in ANYTHING? Most people just watch a video, practice on a dummy and wham, bam, thank you maam are "certifiable"...

The reason why I ask is because what if the city, county, state had a true disaster where "average Joe Smoe" is the 1st responder?

I guess on the West Coast, we kinna have to be "disasteredly prepared"--'cuz you NEVER KNOW when some craziness will go down...

Unregistered- 06-06-2008 03:29 PM

Not to make light of this situation at all, but this reminds me of that Seinfeld finale where the gang was taken to court because they failed to render aid.

KSigkid 06-06-2008 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1664326)
So how many folks are trained in ANYTHING? Most people just watch a video, practice on a dummy and wham, bam, thank you maam are "certifiable"...

The reason why I ask is because what if the city, county, state had a true disaster where "average Joe Smoe" is the 1st responder?

I guess on the West Coast, we kinna have to be "disasteredly prepared"--'cuz you NEVER KNOW when some craziness will go down...

I'm not sure of the number certified in the state; I did a quick search and couldn't come up with a number. I know some area schools used to offer CPR certification as part of the gifted program, but I don't know how widespread that is anymore. I have to admit that I used to be certified, but let the certification lapse a year ago without much of a thought.

You're correct, though, in that I haven't seen much disaster preparedness in CT. We had a "chemical warfare" drill in high school where a bunch of us played victims, and I have heard of similar scattered drills over the past few years, but nothing all that regular.

twinkle555 06-06-2008 05:08 PM

This story sickens me.I am a very caring person, so I would have stopped and helped him. It makes me sad to think that no one else did...

PeppyGPhiB 06-06-2008 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1664326)
So how many folks are trained in ANYTHING? Most people just watch a video, practice on a dummy and wham, bam, thank you maam are "certifiable"...

The reason why I ask is because what if the city, county, state had a true disaster where "average Joe Smoe" is the 1st responder?

I guess on the West Coast, we kinna have to be "disasteredly prepared"--'cuz you NEVER KNOW when some craziness will go down...

Actually, something like one out of every four people in our state are trained in CPR. It's one of the best states to live in if you go into respiratory arrest ;-)

This is a good example of what's called "diffusion of responsibility." The more people around, the less likely someone will come to action. They all assume someone else will, so no one does. It's actually better to get hit by a car when only a few people are around to help!

Oh, and though pedestrians have the right of way, a driver is not necessarily held responsible if they hit someone crossing the road where/when they're not supposed to. Right of Way laws are intended for things like traffic signals and crosswalks.

FSUZeta 06-06-2008 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1664257)
But, I could have sworn that one of the people who ran into the road put a phone to his/her ear. Maybe I was just seeing things.

if we are thinking about the same person with the phone, it appeared to me that they were taking a photo of the victim. i sure hope i am wrong!

LucyKKG 06-06-2008 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1664438)
Oh, and though pedestrians have the right of way, a driver is not necessarily held responsible if they hit someone crossing the road where/when they're not supposed to. Right of Way laws are intended for things like traffic signals and crosswalks.

A friend of my dad got hit by a car after going a few feet out of the crosswalk. (I think the car was taking a right and the guy was walking diagonally.) The pedestrian ended up being held responsible. Hmm...

AGDee 06-06-2008 09:02 PM

I witnessed a motorcycle accident (from a bit of a distance while stuck in a traffic jam). Several people immediately jumped out of their cars. The guy had two broken legs and they dragged him to the corner. Seconds after they had him on the grass, the fuel from his bike blew into a huge fireball. The guy would have been toasted alive if they hadn't moved him out of there. They must've seen the fuel. I was calling 911 as it exploded and the operator told me they'd gotten many calls and an ambulance was on the way. I told her it just exploded so they better send a firetruck too. I was proud that my community got involved that way. I don't think it would be that way in a busy area of one of the bigger cities around here though.

AKA_Monet 06-06-2008 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1664438)
Actually, something like one out of every four people in our state are trained in CPR. It's one of the best states to live in if you go into respiratory arrest ;-)

This is a good example of what's called "diffusion of responsibility." The more people around, the less likely someone will come to action. They all assume someone else will, so no one does. It's actually better to get hit by a car when only a few people are around to help!

Oh, and though pedestrians have the right of way, a driver is not necessarily held responsible if they hit someone crossing the road where/when they're not supposed to. Right of Way laws are intended for things like traffic signals and crosswalks.


Welp you know how we all are up here. If they don't actually straight help you out, they will at least have multiple 911 calls so that the authorities will come.

And you heard about those teens on the bus that at least tried CPR to dude who fell out on the bus...

And this place is the ONLY place that honors peds right of way. Chit, you walk in the wrong place in SoCal, you might get decapitated...

AKA_Monet 06-06-2008 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1664501)
I witnessed a motorcycle accident (from a bit of a distance while stuck in a traffic jam). Several people immediately jumped out of their cars. The guy had two broken legs and they dragged him to the corner. Seconds after they had him on the grass, the fuel from his bike blew into a huge fireball. The guy would have been toasted alive if they hadn't moved him out of there. They must've seen the fuel. I was calling 911 as it exploded and the operator told me they'd gotten many calls and an ambulance was on the way. I told her it just exploded so they better send a firetruck too. I was proud that my community got involved that way. I don't think it would be that way in a busy area of one of the bigger cities around here though.


I JUST CALL 911 because dude 1 behind me got in a fight with another dude 2 behind him!!! :eek: It was crazy!!! Dude 2 behind dude 1 got out of his car and commenced to beating dude 1's azz!!! Like, up here, that does not happen in the suburbs!!!

It was one crazy day...

DeltAlum 06-06-2008 09:29 PM

I saw a security camera picture of the man down in the street.

Pretty sad commentary.

DaemonSeid 06-06-2008 09:41 PM

did anyone notice the 2 cars in the cam?

Like one car was chasing another.....?

preciousjeni 06-06-2008 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1664512)
did anyone notice the 2 cars in the cam?

Like one car was chasing another.....?

They mentioned a car chase on tv. What a mess.

honeychile 06-06-2008 10:42 PM

I'll be honest. I would stop and call 911 - but wouldn't actually touch the person or administer CPR unless I had gloves and/or a bridge with me. There are just too many diseases one can catch when universal precautions aren't taken.

DeltAlum 06-06-2008 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 1664526)
I'll be honest. I would stop and call 911 - but wouldn't actually touch the person or administer CPR unless I had gloves and/or a bridge with me. There are just too many diseases one can catch when universal precautions aren't taken.

Unfortunately, that's true.

jon1856 06-06-2008 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1664524)
They mentioned a car chase on TV. What a mess.

Have to wonder if it was road rage gone real bad or a road race that went real bad.
One sees both just about every day and the ones involved always seem to get away from what ever mess is left in their trail:mad::(

Nanners52674 06-06-2008 11:30 PM

I grew up in Hartford my dad still lives here and im currently babysitting for a family in hartford. The street this happened on is Park Street which is NOT in either the West End ( the "wealthy" neighborhood) or the business district where "wealthy" people commute into work everyday. In actually its a incredibly poor area so your idea that because it happened in a area full wealthy people and its because they are wealthy that choose to do nothing holds no weight. The demographic of the street and its surrounding area is actually quite the opposite. Furthermore knowing what I know about the area im not shocked that the cars who hit the man didnt stop and that other people did not stop. And the broad generalization of CT being nothing but wealthy and there for uncaring people is rude and ignorant.

ETA: Hartford does not in ANY way have a reputation for being wealthy in fact if you say to a person from surrounding towns that your from hartford the actual city it carries a stereotype of being from the "ghetto".

And not to start a whole debate about police and such but when i was discussing this event this evening a friend mentioned that many people driving on that street are probably hesitant to stop because they do not want to involve themselves in something with the hartford police. Which is a really good point.


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