Michelle Obama rumor- October surprise
 

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05...rom-the-train/

IF the republicans really have this tape then they need to release it late enough so that the democrats can't give someone else the nomination.

Interesting, imma go make some calls.

It really depends on what she actually said, if it's true at all.

If its something thats even close to what reverend Wright said then it will be over for Barack.

Nobody has seen it, but I've heard from a couple folks that they have good reason to believe it is legit. Pretty good party sources.

Yeah, this has been floating around for awhile. The first I heard about it was from someone in the Hillary camp.

I'm not surprised though. Obama is extremely liberal...but his wife is bat shit crazy and apparently a racist as well. I can't say that I follow up on her that much, but I have read a few articles about her, her views, and about some of her thesis work back in college.

Looks like the media 'golden boy' status is actually coming around to bite him in the ass. No one looked too closely at his past until now, and now all the stuff that should have been caught a looooong time ago is popping up all at once.

I have a feeling it's going to be along the lines of what Jeremiah Wright has said, if it's true at all. Jeremiah Wright may say things in a way that is unsettling to some people, but I have yet to read anything he's said that it outright slanderous. Everything I've read has been truthful. The most inflammatory things he's said have been quotes from other people that he used in his own speeches/sermons.

Regardless, it may be enough.

Hopefully, anyway.

I'm not sure "truthful" is correct - Reverend Wright, like many great inflammatory orators (white, black and otherwise), has a wonderful tendency of taking a kernel of fact and twisting it into a thesis that doesn't fit the context of the original fact.

For example - conflating support for "terrorism" in the Middle East through supporting Israel with both WWII (atomic bombs) and black South Africans in the famous "chickens coming home to roost" speech. It's brilliant oration, but intellectually disingenuous.

Regardless, things like the "United States of KKK America" coming from the mouth of the future First Lady would likely represent a total disaster for the Obama camp - you'd lose on both fronts, to both the intellectual moderate who sees through the propaganda and the common idiot undecided who is simply scared. Obama likely needs a big turnout to win, and that sort of video could well kill voter turnout.

Let us all wait and see IF anything ever does show up.
I have heard stories/comments of "Senior Members/Party Leaders/Party Sources" et al for over twenty years and Nothing ever showed up out of most of them.
Just enough is said to make people think that they heard or saw something.
This is just another way to spread mis-statements or falsehoods by way of rumors and innuendos.

Maybe they read this wrong and she's actually railing against Whitney. Crack is whack!!

If this is true, then I would be disappointed, but not surprised.

Show me the receipt!

I don't think anybody is verifying anything, we're just disclosing what we've heard.

Also, this is politics, I really don't care whether this rumor gets spread.

:rolleyes:

Anywho, depending on what she said I might agree with her.

Venus Williams and Whitney Houston?

...both look like crack heads?

Senator Obama isn't even the official nominee yet, and there is already what is probably a smear campaign against his wife.

If it's real, let's see some documented proof.

This is lower than "politics as usual."

This is disgusting.

Yep

I actually hope this never gets used as an issue- not only because it is improper but because it will backfire. Republicans got nowhere going after Hillary Clinton and Democrats got nowhere going after Marilyn Quayle (also on the race issue with her DAR associations.)

A few days ago, John McCain gave an incredible speech on foreign policy where he talked in greater depth and detail than I have EVER heard from Bush. Agree with him or not, it was an amazing presentation addressing specific treaties and NATO agreements.

A couple of weeks ago, Obama gave a speech on foreign policy in which he said we should not be worried about Iran because it is a tiny country. I guess he forgot the part where a small organization of terrorists killed 3,000 Americans on 9-11-01. Obama's comments about Iran reflect a complete and utter disregard for the realities of how terrorism works, or the fact that has arisen as the one way very small entities can effectively attack large nations.

Obama is unelectable on the issues, pure and simple. If he is the nominee, he will not only lose but I expect he will lose big. This does not mean he is an idiot, but that when you peel back the "hope and change" veneer- you are left with someone who is a very far left liberal in a country hungry for moderates- as Bill Clinton was and as Bush promised to be when he campaigned in 2000.

At the end of the day, going after Michelle is just a very ungentlemanly thing to do regardless of what one thinks will happen in November. It is surely hard enough on Presidential candidate spouses and children as it is without putting them in the line of political fire. I was really pissed when a popular lifestyle magazine targeted a Bush daughter when she was caught drinking underage in a restaurant here in Austin, and I would be just as pissed if Michelle Obama got the same expose treatment for something she might have said.

But in this particular case I think we have the added reassurance that Obama has already done enough damage to himself on substantive issues to ensure his defeat. The media is not reporting this stuff right now- the speeches I reference above were slight mentions on Fox News and I did not see them elsewhere- but when we get into the final debates and the whole Obama vs. Hillary ordeal is over, it will all be out there for all to see.

McCain is still alive and giving speeches? Who knew?

I know, how dare the GOP in Tennessee show a clip of EXACTLY what Michelle said!

I agree.
And this whole thing got me thinking a bit.
Until the OP started this, I had not heard anything about this.
So, this weekend, I will have some conversations with my friends who are in at least two of the camps involved in this matter.
And I took some time tonight to track down what I could find on-line.
Found a few things that, well as much as some do not like doing, I will let you look at:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05...-the-iraq-war/
http://garlinggauge.com/2008/05/19/g...y-video-lurks/
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05...comment-258024
http://bondibox.newsvine.com/_news/2...am-desperation

Bottom line to all of the above, and what I am sure is more to come, everyone is pointing their fingers at everyone else and saying just about anything about everything.

Will be every interesting IF either tape, yes there are claims of two tapes, ever shows up and if so just what is on it/them.

Shinerbock
Is this what you are referring too:
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...elle-obama.htm

As this site indicates, always at least two ways to hear/interpret what someone says.;):eek:;)

Of course things can be interpreted differently. But simply showing what she said is not a "smear campaign," at least in my opinion. She put herself out there, and now she's having to answer the questions. If she wants to be a demure first lady who stays out of the spot light, then maybe I'll have some sympathy. But she's a political figure now, just like any other Obama spokesperson.

I think that the extremist views of a candidate's spouse are more than relevant.

Once again I pose the question, why were dems worried about how much Cindy McCain filed in taxes last year? Thats a lot less relevant than if Obama's wife is racist or if she holds extremist views?

Agreed!

Putting Michelle Obama off limits is like girls who try to start fights with guys.

You can't hold yourself out as someone with clout sufficient to influence voters and then hide behind your husband. I don't want people to make fun of her personal appearance, or go after her child-raising abilities, or anything of that sort. But if she's got extreme views and was dumb enough to state them for a camera, I certainly think that is relevant. If Cindy McCain turned out to be a white supremacist, I certainly wouldn't want her to represent this country as First Lady.

OMG.

I agree with shinerbock :eek::p

The biggest reason I will never vote for Al Gore, even if many of the people she affected directly are stupid enough to get on his side. :rolleyes:

I agree with you depending on how this ever gets out and publicized- if it does. If this gets into the general media via some reporter or pundit putting it out there, that is one thing.

But for anyone in the Republican power structure to push this out there as PhiGam was suggesting is a very dangerous and inappropriate strategy in my view- and it has backfired in the past as my earlier post indicated.

Surely this is frustrating since Obama is definitely getting the kid glove treatment from the media, but that would still make it dangerous for Republican interest groups to be seen getting this story out.

Yeah, I'm not particularly worried about the backfire. If it happens, it happens. I don't want to go too negative, but there is a significant portion of the public that is wary of Obama and the GOP should certainly explore that hesitation.

If the tape is out there, it'll be distributed without overt party involvement. As one blogger on this story wrote-- the GOP may have been ineffective on the economy and the war lately, they're "hell on wheels" with opposition research. Of all the things that worry me about November, the art of politics in not something the GOP is insufficient in.

For the country, for the people (ie US) which is more important?:
Economy, the war, or all the other issues which have an impact on us
OR
"Opposition research"

Having been, for just a week, in a battle ground state last time around I am not looking forward to what I believe is going to be what maybe the dirtiest battle anyone has ever seen.:(:mad:

I should add that I know people in the camps.
All have told me that they have "books" on/about everyone else.
The problem I have is only some have said that they will be using them to stay on policy matters and to defend themselves and show differences.
Others just say that they have books.

Your ability to point this out in every thread is quite tiring.

To me and many like me, keeping Barack Obama out of office may be THE issue for this election cycle. Exposing the truth about his family's political and social ideology is a tool which may allow that to happen.

Shiner': While I may not agree with you, I will respect your feelings, beliefs and POV.

gracias

You think Cindy McCain is the EPITOME of a WOMAN... You think differently about Michelle Obama. Since you are incapably of putting her on a pedestal, like you can with Cindy, are you telling the GC public to solely select their next president contingent on a "bikini mud wrestling death match"?

Please come out of the closet with your rhetoric cape and state what you really feel... Stop it with the bullisht. Fearmongerer...