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gvgrl87 05-27-2008 11:47 PM

Disaffiliation
 
hello, i thought i would come here looking for answers. i was a founder of my NPC organization on my campus 2 years ago, and since then things were exceptionally well. however, over the past year things have gone steadily downhill and ultimatley led to my forced disaffiliation with the organization. i was accused of "gossiping" and being a detriment to the organization. there was much outcry throughout our greek community. i went through the appeal process, got notable members within the sorority as well as notable members within my campus/greek community, and yet the deciding council felt that i did not provide enough "new" information to overthrow the decision. i have a lot of support through the greek community and i am being approached by members of other greek organizations asking if i am going to join another greek organization. i did not think that this was possible, i just was not sure the logistics of this. any help you all can give me, i would appreciate it. thanks

texas*princess 05-27-2008 11:52 PM

you cannot join another NPC group if that is the question you're asking.

Unregistered- 05-27-2008 11:57 PM

If it's membership in a sorority outside the NPC you wish to pursue, your friens will need to check their bylaws.

Just as t*p already said, you can't join another NPC..even if you've already severed ties with your NPC sorority, and you've already turned in your badge.

icelandelf 05-28-2008 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gvgrl87 (Post 1658610)
... i have a lot of support through the greek community and i am being approached by members of other greek organizations asking if i am going to join another greek organization. i did not think that this was possible, i just was not sure the logistics of this. any help you all can give me, i would appreciate it. thanks

I'm surprised that other members of greek organizations would ask if you were going to join another greek organization. The others are correct when they tell you that you cannot join another NPC group.

PANTHERTEKE 05-28-2008 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by gvgrl87 (Post 1658610)
however, over the past year things have gone steadily downhill and ultimatley led to my forced disaffiliation with the organization. i was accused of "gossiping" and being a detriment to the organization.

What happened, did they start bidding ugly girls?

Lol jk.

nate2512 05-28-2008 12:50 AM

Hm...why would you try to overturn that if they obviously didn't want you in?

They probably have just a credible a story as, so don't come here looking for people to sympathize for you, cause while some might, odds are you won't get much of it.

Unregistered- 05-28-2008 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nate2512 (Post 1658644)
Hm...why would you try to overturn that if they obviously didn't want you in?

They probably have just a credible a story as, so don't come here looking for people to sympathize for you, cause while some might, odds are you won't get much of it.

...because the actions and opinions of a few do not define a sisterhood. I know EXACTLY how the OP feels.

I don't see it as seeking sympathy. The girl asked an honest question and she got honest answers.

RU OX Alum 05-30-2008 10:12 AM

if you weren't chartered yet, you can still join another group without breaking the rules

if you have been, and another group wants you to join, my advice would be to join and break the rules

nate2512 05-30-2008 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1660260)
if you have been, and another group wants you to join, my advice would be to join and break the rules

that'll bite you in the ass, someone is going to find out and it wont end pretty.

RU OX Alum 05-30-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nate2512 (Post 1660346)
that'll bite you in the ass, someone is going to find out and it wont end pretty.

what will happen? NPC will get pissed? so what

violetpretty 05-30-2008 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1660347)
what will happen? NPC will get pissed? so what

She'll lose her membership in both orgs.

Tom Earp 05-30-2008 01:17 PM

Who is the deciding council that you refered to in your post?

If it was the local chapter, did you contact your HQ?

Something just doesn't ring true and I wonder why.

Unregistered- 05-30-2008 03:54 PM

I know I've said it before, but I'll say it again...

I'm really glad the NPC Unanimous Agreement regarding dual memberships is in place. It's simple and easy to understand.

ehope 06-02-2008 03:24 PM

disaffiliating
 
Your national organization may have an appeals process that would allow you to challenge the cancellation of your membership to your governing board/council at that level. Check your bylaws or your Standard Operation Proccedures type of manual.

Tom Earp 06-02-2008 04:15 PM

Hm, evidently she is a gone person!:(

I would like to have found out more.

gvgrl87 06-02-2008 05:11 PM

sorry i haven't posted back...i was waiting to see some of the responses from individuals. to start off, i honestly am not looking for sympathy. sympathy doesn't do anyone a lick of good. secondly, this is not setting right with me because during my entire time that charges were being filed against me, the chapter was not following the constitution. when i talked to the advisors about it, brought up things to the executive board members, the told me that it was vague so that the organization had the ability to interpret it the way they saw fit. our elections were not run correctly, tried to confront the organization about that (appropriate people), i got brought up to standards. when ritual was not being followed and i attempted to call nationals and ask questions, i got accused of insubordination and i became ineligible for a little because of my actions (a decision made before i even got to meet with the standards board (contradicting our local and national constitution)). double jeopardy, for lack of a better word was happening, i appealed decisions and got more punishments for trying to appeal. i got removed from my office without giving time to appeal (contradiciting the constitution)). then i was removed from the organization based on a combination of things that had already been brought before 2 months prior. that is in a nut shell what is going on. i was never allowed to contact nationals, and if i ever did again, i would be accused of insubordination.

things are not right in the organization, i have been trying desperatly to help the organization that i helped to create, but every time i have tried i have been shot down. other individuals in the organization have contacted me saying that they want to try and do something, but they are afraid to try anything. that is where i am at right now, i tried to help make a change, have individuals follow the constitution, and yet, the org as a whole is not. i have a hard time turning my back when something is wrong, i don't know if it is because i care too much, or it is sheer stupidity...

AOII Angel 06-02-2008 05:15 PM

Is this an NPC organization? If it is, contact your (inter)national office and talk to someone involved with membership relations. Make sure you write down exactly what happened in very explicit terms with no beating around the bush. Don't accuse anyone of wrong doing, just explain the events and then ASK if the appropriate actions were performed. It is NEVER insubordination to clarify your rights.

Unregistered- 06-02-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gvgrl87 (Post 1661850)
sorry i haven't posted back...i was waiting to see some of the responses from individuals. to start off, i honestly am not looking for sympathy. sympathy doesn't do anyone a lick of good. secondly, this is not setting right with me because during my entire time that charges were being filed against me, the chapter was not following the constitution. when i talked to the advisors about it, brought up things to the executive board members, the told me that it was vague so that the organization had the ability to interpret it the way they saw fit. our elections were not run correctly, tried to confront the organization about that (appropriate people), i got brought up to standards. when ritual was not being followed and i attempted to call nationals and ask questions, i got accused of insubordination and i became ineligible for a little because of my actions (a decision made before i even got to meet with the standards board (contradicting our local and national constitution)). double jeopardy, for lack of a better word was happening, i appealed decisions and got more punishments for trying to appeal. i got removed from my office without giving time to appeal (contradiciting the constitution)). then i was removed from the organization based on a combination of things that had already been brought before 2 months prior. that is in a nut shell what is going on. i was never allowed to contact nationals, and if i ever did again, i would be accused of insubordination.

things are not right in the organization, i have been trying desperatly to help the organization that i helped to create, but every time i have tried i have been shot down. other individuals in the organization have contacted me saying that they want to try and do something, but they are afraid to try anything. that is where i am at right now, i tried to help make a change, have individuals follow the constitution, and yet, the org as a whole is not. i have a hard time turning my back when something is wrong, i don't know if it is because i care too much, or it is sheer stupidity...

If I'm guessing your affiliation correctly, there are several members of your organization who post frequently here on GC. I believe some hold national/regional leadership positions as well, so maybe they'll be able to help you.

Try to contact them via PM if you can.

RaggedyAnn 06-02-2008 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1661858)
Is this an NPC organization? If it is, contact your (inter)national office and talk to someone involved with membership relations. Make sure you write down exactly what happened in very explicit terms with no beating around the bush. Don't accuse anyone of wrong doing, just explain the events and then ASK if the appropriate actions were performed. It is NEVER insubordination to clarify your rights.

co-sign

gvgrl87 06-02-2008 05:36 PM

yes, it is an inter-national office. i have attempted to contact them, and yet when i attempt to contact them, the issue just gets filtered down to the same individuals, and no clarifying happens. i wrote a letter asking to be contacted outlining all of the issues, in great detail, saved emails, even brought emails to the standards meetings, and they were disregarded. i emailed them constitutionally where things went wrong, asking for clarification, and it just got filtered down to the same set of advisors and i just get brought to standards again. if you have any suggestions, please share them. i can try again, its just i am anticipating a dead end right now.

AOII Angel 06-02-2008 05:43 PM

If you've contacted someone at your international HQ, and no one has responded personally to you, reattempt to contact HQ, inform them that the issue has not been resolved through the previously attempted avenues and ask if you can speak with someone higher up the food chain. At this point, it sounds like you have nothing to lose.

33girl 06-02-2008 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1661887)
If you've contacted someone at your international HQ, and no one has responded personally to you, reattempt to contact HQ, inform them that the issue has not been resolved through the previously attempted avenues and ask if you can speak with someone higher up the food chain. At this point, it sounds like you have nothing to lose.

And definitely tell them that the advisors are not doing their jobs, because they're not.

TSteven 06-02-2008 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1661887)
If you've contacted someone at your international HQ, and no one has responded personally to you, reattempt to contact HQ, inform them that the issue has not been resolved through the previously attempted avenues and ask if you can speak with someone higher up the food chain. At this point, it sounds like you have nothing to lose.

And if that does not work, your school should have an ombudsman (someone within the school's administration that serves as an advocate for the students) that should be able to contact HQ on your behalf. Frankly, no HQ wants to receive a call from the university's administration regarding possible mistreatment or lack of due process etc.

Now because of the nature of GLOs, and the potential sensitive/confidential nature of your issues, the ombudsman may not be able to take up some/all of your specific issues. However, they can request that you receive a return phone call or email from the HQ. Or even have you in the room when they make that call.

Ombudsman to HQ: "I have gvgrl87 in my office and *we* would like to set up a time when you or someone from HQ can talk with her regarding her concerns."

gvgrl87 06-03-2008 01:50 PM

thanks for the advice, i appreciate it. :)

greekgirl88 07-22-2008 07:08 AM

Is it possible to petition the NPC laws about not being about to join another NPC sorority after you've already been in one?

33girl 07-22-2008 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by greekgirl88 (Post 1684576)
Is it possible to petition the NPC laws about not being about to join another NPC sorority after you've already been in one?

NO.

Are you asking for yourself or just out of general curiousity? I thought from your other posts you had yet to join a sorority.

greekgirl88 07-22-2008 12:23 PM

I disaffiliated with my NPC sorority. I wish they would say that before you initiate into the sorority. I had no idea that there was no way out, even if it was the sororities fault. That seems highly unfair. What if the chapter didn't do anything while other sororities did? What if they harrassed or completely gave a girl the silent treatment to force her out? What about that? There should be a way to petition it.

UGAalum94 07-22-2008 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by greekgirl88 (Post 1684674)
I disaffiliated with my NPC sorority. I wish they would say that before you initiate into the sorority. I had no idea that there was no way out, even if it was the sororities fault. That seems highly unfair. What if the chapter didn't do anything while other sororities did? What if they harrassed or completely gave a girl the silent treatment to force her out? What about that? There should be a way to petition it.

Read the stuff that people give you and listen to what they say. I seriously doubt you went through the entire new member period and never were told this.

I'm sorry your experience was a bad one, but once you are initiated, it's too late to switch NPC groups.

33girl 07-22-2008 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by greekgirl88 (Post 1684674)
I disaffiliated with my NPC sorority. I wish they would say that before you initiate into the sorority. I had no idea that there was no way out, even if it was the sororities fault. That seems highly unfair. What if the chapter didn't do anything while other sororities did? What if they harrassed or completely gave a girl the silent treatment to force her out? What about that? There should be a way to petition it.

Perhaps they gave you the silent treatment because you were trying to get into KKG.


It's great to be friendly with other groups, but not at the expense of your own.

33girl 07-22-2008 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1661887)
If you've contacted someone at your international HQ, and no one has responded personally to you, reattempt to contact HQ, inform them that the issue has not been resolved through the previously attempted avenues and ask if you can speak with someone higher up the food chain. At this point, it sounds like you have nothing to lose.

I wanted to add to this, from re-reading the thread:

Instead of talking to people at headquarters, call the VP of collegians (or whatever it is called in your org) or someone else on your sorority's national council DIRECTLY, at their home.

The employees at headquarters do not necessarily have the same authority to do things that Council does.

I wouldn't ordinarily advise this but it sounds like you're getting the runaround from someone at HQ who isn't sure what to do.

UGAalum94 07-22-2008 12:49 PM

ETA: Never mind, I see that the OP hasn't posted in months.

greekgirl88 07-22-2008 01:21 PM

Oh, those weren't my experiences. My experience was that the sorority was just a waste of time and money. We didn't do anything. And I wasn't trying to get into another sorority at the time.

icelandelf 07-22-2008 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by greekgirl88 (Post 1684704)
Oh, those weren't my experiences. My experience was that the sorority was just a waste of time and money. We didn't do anything. And I wasn't trying to get into another sorority at the time.

What are your plans now that you have resigned your sorority?

UGAalum94 07-22-2008 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by greekgirl88 (Post 1684704)
Oh, those weren't my experiences. My experience was that the sorority was just a waste of time and money. We didn't do anything. And I wasn't trying to get into another sorority at the time.

But you sound like such a catch.

Seriously, if for some reason you matched with a group that wasn't worth it and you stuck with it through initiation and then disaffiliated [ETA: resigned membership]and went around telling people how lame and "not worth it" the group was, why would you assume that you'd even get a bid to a "better" and more "worth it" group? You seem like kind of a bad risk, frankly.

PeppyGPhiB 07-22-2008 01:59 PM

I'd just like to say that I think it's misleading to refer to this type of situation as "disaffiliation" or "disaffiliated." It may be technically correct, but "disaffiliation" is something recruitment counselors do to temporarily disassociate themselves from their sorority in order to serve in a neutral role during formal recruitment. The situations described in this thread should really be referred to as "termination of membership" or "resignation" which is obviously permanent.

greekgirl88 07-22-2008 02:00 PM

You sound really rude.

Why would you keep on doing something that you don't enjoy at all? That's just stupid. And I'm not going around telling people what group it is, so what does it matter if I share my personal experiences. I figure it would help someone understand my situation better so maybe they could help me. I was exteremly commited to my chapter until they let ME down.

And I wanted to get into another NPC sorority that would do something. However, now that I'm being told it's not possible, I just get into hopeful one or two service sororities.

greekgirl88 07-22-2008 02:02 PM

That's true, but that's just the word that the officers of my chapter used. I like resignation much better.

PeppyGPhiB 07-22-2008 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by greekgirl88 (Post 1684716)
Why would you keep on doing something that you don't enjoy at all? That's just stupid.

I believe that was her point, dear.

33girl 07-22-2008 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by greekgirl88 (Post 1684704)
Oh, those weren't my experiences. My experience was that the sorority was just a waste of time and money. We didn't do anything. And I wasn't trying to get into another sorority at the time.

Then why were all your other posts asking about refs for KKG, if you were already told that you couldn't initiate into another sorority? That was rude to the KKGs on here who took time to answer your questions.

ISUKappa 07-22-2008 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by greekgirl88 (Post 1684718)
That's true, but that's just the word that the officers of my chapter used. I like resignation much better.

Many members use disaffiliate incorrectly. I believe most organizations prefer the term "Resign Membership."

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1684721)
Then why were all your other posts asking about refs for KKG, if you were already told that you couldn't initiate into another sorority? That was rude to the KKGs on here who took time to answer your questions.

Yeah, I had no idea she had already been initiated. Now I'm rather glad she had been.


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