NPC chapters at HBCU schools
 

Not that I am aware. There was an NPC that attempted to colonize at Tennessee State a little more than 10 years ago. I don't recall if they actually acheived colony status or not but I do know that they never chartered.

I feel like certain NPCs would fit a niche at HBCUs, especially the ones founded to be non-sectarian.

http://www.clayton.edu/

It seems like an HBCU. It looks like all the GLOs are NPHC.

It used to be a Junior College until the mid-80s and won't have dorms until this fall. The median age is 29. Such an environment isn't a huge disadvantage for NPHC orgs.

(UDC has similar demographics and has all nine NPHCs)

ETA: UDC is definitely an HBCU though, so don't listen to me.

Their demographics will be very interesting for an NPC org.

We'll see some "I'm a 23 yo junior at a small college and am interested in the only NPC org on campus. What are my chances" threads on GC. :)

I feel like someone had a rush story like that!

I think there was a rush and an aspirant story like that. But now the responses will have to consider Clayton State and not just be "you're too old...get a life."

clayton state has some cute Ks.

I know what you are saying but I don't consider Clayton State to be one. I guess because I've never seen it listed among HBCUs. (Not very definitive, I know. ;) )

Regardless, I wish ASA all the best in its latest endeavor.

Clayton State isn't an HBCU. It's a commuter school that is now becoming a residential campus. The only public HBCU's in GA are Savannah State, Albany State and Fort Valley State.

The AKA chapter is Simply Stunning Sigma Sigma. I love those girls!:)

You're right. :)

The school site didn't tell much and I had never heard of Clayton State until today.

Then I saw that it isn't listed on these two sites: http://www.edonline.com/cq/hbcu/ga.htm and http://www.ed.gov/about/inits/list/w...lite-list.html

And you can add the private Morehouse, Clark, Spelman, and Morris Brown if we're counting them all. Georgia does have some good opportunities for if you are looking for the HBCU experience.

Your characterization of Clayton State is a good one. I don't know what its demographic composition is today, but through the early 1990's, it was maybe a lot like Kennesaw. State. As Clayton County changed from predominantly White to predominantly Black, Clayton State may have as well, but it's not really historical.

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No, Clayton State isn't an HBCU. Clayton State is similar to Kennesaw State and Armstrong Atlantic State, if any of you are familiar with those schools, just it was converted to "state college and university" status more recently.

Clayton State is a beautiful campus and has a strong music program - the school has been growing by leaps and bounds and being from the area I'm proud of it :D

Let's remember what HBCU stands for: Historically Black College or University.

thanks:)

I ask because I've got photo ideas running though my head and Im doing research to make sure these are worth my time and energy.

From Clayton State's site:

Awww @ the final note. It made me chuckle and wonder about the circumstances that caused the school to actually make that statement.

Maybe it is referring to those aux groups that now say they are their own org. with their own governance, etc., e.g., KKI or Sigma Doves.

As opposed to Hypothetically or Happened-to-become. :p

We could call those H(ypothetically)BCUs O(nce)PWIs, maybe? We wouldn't want any misled white kids going there by mistake, after all, so they need some sort of racial label :rolleyes:

True. :) Don't forget funding for HBCUs.

The racial makeup of a campus will be interpreted as an HBCU even if the history isn't indicative of that. The parts of the website that I read weren't too detailed regarding the history and makeup, I mostly went based on the GLOs.

Well if you go by that...my alma mater currently has 3 NPHC fraternities and 3 NIC fraternities, but the racial makeup there certainly isn't 50% white men/50% black men.

Well, the only GLOs that I saw were BGLOs and organizations geared toward minorities, so I didn't know why that would be the case given the population size.

But now that I have looked at their site again I see other organizations, including this http://adminservices.clayton.edu/cam.../greeknews.htm

In my observation:
If you have a school that is becoming a more traditional campus versus a commuter school, or just converted from a 2-year, or whatever the situation may be that opens it up to Greek life, you often have the D9 groups coming on first versus NPC/IFC. There's more desire to bring particular BGLOs onto campus within the student body than for any particular other group, so it often takes more time to develop those interest groups.

I'm guessing that they are probaby speaking primarily to those NPHC orgs that continue to have sweetheart groups even though their orgs don't support or permit it. From what I've seen, the schools don't usually get involved in this but I guess Clayton sees these groups as liabilities and has enough work keeping up with their greeks. Also, their Greek Life office may have become tired of unfavorable behavior commonly noticed and/or reported on their campus. I'm thinking that a bigger incident probably occurred. That's usually when the school will get involved.

That is the gist of the statement. But my reply was to a poster who asked what would cause the last sentence.

In my experience it takes less time.

Less time to form the group, yes. (I should have mentioned I wasn't necessarily talking about official interest groups ...) But certainly more time to form the interest - you've got many more students coming onto campus who already know they want to pursue [insert BGLO of choice here] than students who have a particular other GLO in mind. So there's not as strong of a drive to get an NPC/IFC as an NPHC on a newly developing Greek campus.

Oh I misunderstood. I thought you meant it took more time for BGLOs to garner the interest. We are now on the same page. :D

The other thing with commuter campuses is that even if there isn't a chapter based at the university, with NPHC groups there would be the eligibility to join a city-wide chapter or a chapter at neighboring university. So there could already be members on the campus who might assist in getting an NPHC chapter founded.

Whereas with NPC, there is no city-wide chapter and no joining another university's chapter, so you just have to wait until resources are allocated for those groups to come.

that's interesting. when a college goes from commuter to residential (or non-traditional/2 year to traditional/4 year, or whichever you see it in your head), the makeup of the student body changes. NYU was a heavy commuter school (with no surprise as its in the middle of the city) up until the 90s - i believe it was 65/35 commuter/residential. I'm not sure what came first, the surge in property to house students or student applications, but one certaintly feeds the other. so i'd say over the last 15-20 years, NYU's population went from heavily commuter/students from the boroughs (especially as they had a campus in the Bronx) to students from everyfreakingwhere and from lots of money. surely that changed the student body, racially and economically.

i would even stretch to say this is happening at St. Johns, as they have recently (past 6-8 years) become a heavily residential campus.

my point, back to greek life, is that i got the impression that greek life at NYU lived a great life back when it was a commuter school - they even had their own building (i dont know if it was for housing, or for recreation). then they got downsized to a tower of a dorm, and now to a couple of penthouses in a dorm. chapters that once were there are kaput now. on the NPHC side, i was told that while there werent NYU-only NPHC chapters, the school was on a few charters and it was more likely for black students to pursue an org then than now.

of course that could be reflective of the overall pattern of going greek over the years. as far as st john's goes, well im not a student there, but their greek life seems to be doing great (in terms of what greek life looks like in these parts anyway).

to bring this back on-topic, i wouldve guess that as a campus moved more towards traditional (and with that, more housing/campus community) that NPC/IFC would jump on that quicker than NPHC, if we as a council would even be affected by that.

Commuter schools are not just two-year schools. Many are four-year, so yes they may already have Greek Life. They are non-traditional, because of demographics, e.g., average student age is higher, they have families, etc.

St. John's is still a heavily commuter based school, but they are phasing it out. When I started school, res life was only 2 years old. I believe res life is 8 years old now and the residential population has grown tremendously to the point where no one (besides incoming freshman) are guaranteed housing. Greek life is doing quite well at St. John's and definitely has grown since I started back in '01. There are more groups on campus now and ALFSA (African and Latino Fraternal and Sororal Alliance) has more groups than they have in the past and more members in the groups. A lot of those groups still remain smaller in numbers as compared to the NPC/IFC orgs, but overall they have more activities and events then groups from the other two councils. I would say the growth of the res life program has helped Greek life grow and in turn benefited all the orgs on campus.