Our SDSU chapter, Zeta Pi Zeta....
 

http://advancement.sdsu.edu/marcomm/information/


"The six fraternities include: Lambda Chi Alpha, Phi Kappa Psi, Phi Kappa Theta, Theta Chi, Sigma Alpha Epsilon and Sigma Alpha Mu."

You beat me to it and I am so pissed, I could spit fire!:mad:

I am sure there will be people from IHQ on the way to check this out!

This has put a huge black mark not only on LXA if proven, but the entire Greek Community.:o

My apologizes to you, My Brother....i did not mean to transgress....

In ZAX...

They recolonized/rechartered just a few years ago after closing in 1995 - just.......crap.

Words. Fail. Me.

LOL, not you R R!

I was refering to the situation at SDSU.

I am with LXAAlum on this also. I have had this on my mind all day and can only hope it may have been a few Brothers. I just hope it will not cost the chapter to be pulled.

I guess in retrospect that the Greek Community is just a microcosim of daily life.

I am sure it will be fully investigated by IHQ.

As is said, coming by things easy does have its penaltys. Heck of a way to pay ones bills though is going to cost some dearly.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/07/...rss_topstories

After reading that link it looks as though we were not directly involved. Though looking at it thats 6 out of the 16 on that particular campus.

As we welcomed a new chapter into the strong band of Zetas across the country this past Saturday night, ( congrats to the WCU chapter on getting their charter ). we stand to lose a chapter from yesterday's events but I do wonder and speculate what percentage of the chapter's membership were directly involved with the alleged ( I use "alleged" as none of the arrested have been convicted yet in a court of law ) crimes.

Yea, if its not the majority of the chapter I can see those brothers involved getting kicked. There is no need in losing a chapter that size due to a few bad apples, though its happened before that way. I am curious to see how IHQ handles it, cause when I met them last summer in Memphis, they seemed to be pretty stand up guys.

-- Thanks for the shout out.

i guess we are about to find out if IHQ practices the 'burn and turn' procedure, or if they actually extend some kind of due process to the brothers and chapter.

This situation could prove to be a very oppurtune time to see just how HQ operates when a serious circumstance arises.

In ZAX

A Point Well Taken!
 

Greetings,

As a teacher I have never believed in punishing a whole class for the transgressions of a few.

This situation has horrible implications for the oaths, obligations, and sense of honor that is part of our Fraternity.

But, if there is any truth to this accusation, hold those responsible for their transgressions. Not the innocent....

If true, another sad day for all of us.

Yours in ZAX,

Mike Raymond

I think everyone needs to WAKE UP on this topic.

Do you really think this is an isolated case of fraternities dealing drugs? I'm not just talking about LXA (although we are included).

The drug business is HUGE in a lot of greek areas. The ingredients are all there for people to get hooked on the drug dealing lifestyle. You've got people with a lot of money, a relaxed environment, parties all over the place, people who have your back....and so on.

Do any of you remember the movie "Blow" starring Johnny Depp? I forgot his name, but the person Depp portrays was no stranger to LXA.

When he mentions running to "Amherst", he meant the Gamma Zeta chapter in the 1970's!

The guy used to use the house as a base of operations, and there were always rumors there were pounds of coke stashed in the walls. This isn't a new trend or new situation. This has and always will go on.

They were selling drugs to consenting adults for their own use. They weren't drunk driving or going around and raping women.

I don't think that our brothers should be put on trial, rather it should be AMERICA'S DRUG POLICY that should be put on trial! THEY were the victims of a flawed policy and failed "war on drugs".

Once you're 18 you can buy cigarettes, join the military, vote and become an individual separate from your parents. If they want to smoke pot or take X, that's their own individual choice. What they do behind closed doors is none of our business.

LXA was one of the six that were suspened from SDSU!


I agree with docroc, but was it to little to not jepordize the whole Zeta which it looks like it did.


But gammazeta, drugs are still illegal. No matter how crapy the war on drugs is and usless with the cost of money involved, I guess you could call it "a bust", pun intended!

What I take from reading the many articles online, it appears as though it was just a few members that were involved, possibly people who got caught buying drugs from the dealers. The only fraternity that I have seen implicated in these events is Theta Chi who had the student who text messaged everyone to buy drugs. Plus the chapter is temporarily suspended pending further investigation, but I would think that HQ will do a house cleaning, not close the chapter down. I think the names of the fraternites are thrown out there to make the story a lot more interesting, it could possibly be one kid who is in LXA at SDSU buying drugs, but in these days one person represents the masses.

If that's the case, then both the Republican and Democratic parties should be shut down. :rolleyes:

I still don't see what the big problem is, and we shouldn't be jumping to conclusion regarding the LXA's involved.

So far, all I have read was that Theta Chi was the biggest dealers.

How do we know the LXA's were not just dealing some pot as opposed to operating a meth lab out of their room? We don't.

In today's society, who really cares if someone is caught with drugs? Getting caught with pot or coke today isn't even a slap on the wrist. I don't see the big deal in all of this.

So a brother or two sold a dime bag or an eightball to a consenting adult for their own use and enjoyment in private. Those actions didn't hurt anyone. No one was raped, or killed or injured.

Yeah, it's against the law, but so is speeding. Are we going to kick out any brother that gets a speeding ticket?

Ahh GammaZeta, always right on time with your philosophies.

I think that people need to wake up to their surroundings. If you dont think this type of thing is going on all across Americas' Campuses then you just arent aware of things. For one I know of PLENTY of greeks who use marijuana and cocaine on a semi regular basis, how is it that much different than alchohol (which btw accounts for more deaths than both coke and pot put together). Sure we have policies and such that say we can get in trouble for using any of the drugs described above, but i just dont understand how we as Americans can come up with a law that says its perfectly acceptable if you are a certain age to drink alcohol or smoke ciggarettes when both of those are responsible for so many deaths, but pot (an essentially harmless plant) is illegal.

What serious argument can you present about the 'bad' effects of pot. If it is being used for medicine, and could be a cheaper source of fuel (was used as an energy source in the late 1800s) and could help our economy drastically by providing BILLIONS of dollars of income that would remain in the US. I just dont get why its classified as a Schedule 1 drug, seems pretty stupid to me.

Anyway, Back to SDSU. I personally think it was better for the greek system to be selling the drugs, then say a gangsta ass hoodlum who would rather rob you at gun point then sell you some Blow. At least you can say some of the money was actually put to good use. It kept the chapter operating smoothly financially and it allowed them to put more resources into their philanthropies and community service (i guess its not so bad looking at it that way).

I guess now I look like a DRUG ADVOCATE......oops.


















PS my entire response is purely for conversation and entertainment.

biofuels could be a crock of shit, but with gas prices the way they are and continue to rise......im willing to look at an alternative fuel source.


BTW I think HYBRIDS are bs too......tell me why a Geo Metro got better gas mileage 20 years ago (approx 55 MPG) then any compact HYBRID car today (averaging around 40 MPG)

Ethanol is a dream, and a dumb one.

My SUV doesn't run on corn...

psssshhhhh drugs arent bad......there is in fact a little known chemical in weed called 'fuckit'......as soon as you get a little bit of that in your system, all of lifes problems just go away.


^the above is an adaption from Katt Williams

Right or wrong, it is not for us to decide, it is still illegal, period.

We do not know for sure how many Brothers were involved.

But, I have always been of the beleif that if one or two were involved, this should not hurt the whole chapter. But of course it does as we can see.

Even under suspension, this does not mean the total chapter should be closed. The problem is the stigma it brings with LXA being mentioned and some who were dealing or buying. But, it seems so in this case.

Now, I guess the question is, will the chapter be closed over this? If so, what happens to all of the Brothers that had nothing to do with this?

And hemp as it is commonly called was used for many things during WWII and not smoking either.

[QUOTE=Tom Earp;1648572]Right or wrong, it is not for us to decide, it is still illegal, period.QUOTE]

Screw you MAAAAANNNNNNN.

Don't NARC on our good time.

Man, the war on drugs man, is all a conspiracy maaaaannnn.

It's Congress and the tobacco companies that want to stop the weed man.

Anyone want to go to Taco Bell?

As citizens, voters, and therefore shareholders of the United States of America, it IS for us to decide. We own this country.

Likewise, as members of Lambda Chi Alpha, we own this fraternity.

Fix it in your mind and remember it.

"Likewise, as members of Lambda Chi Alpha, we own this fraternity."

That's what I've been saying all this time!

Fight the power (HQ)!!!!!!

mmmmmmmm...........Taco Bell.......then another fatty

While you may beleive what you stated you are correct on at least one point!

Yes, we as members own this Fraternity as we both have seen from the G A that we attended.

But now, do you really beleive that our duly elected delegates really care about us?

You cannot see what a terrible state of affairs we are in country wise?

I say again, if it is illegal, then that should answer the point.

Whether you agree with me that is fine.

I hate to say it gammazeta but you act like a lawyer. I am not overly fond of them.:rolleyes:

Get off your butt and do something instead of complain.:o

Are you going loco Tom?

I'm not complaining!

I'm just stating my opinion.

In my last three to four posts, I am acting like the anti-lawyer. I have no idea how you can say I am acting like a lawyer.

"FIGHT THE POWER!"
-Public Enemy

Tom, I suggest you read up on the history of marijuana and cocaine and how they came to be illegal. If that answers the point for you, and you're comfortable with it, then so be it. Right now you sound like my Uncle Bill, who thought Richard Nixon was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Read the history of Coca-Cola...

Personally I think that the brothers involved should be given the boot while the rest of the chapter is allowed to continue on with more oversight. That is, if Greek Life is allowed to continue at SDSU (hopefully it is).

Maybe its just me being naive from only being involved with the fraternity for less than a year. Who knows.

(As a side note, the law needs changed. People possessing small amounts of marijuana don't need locked up for years and clogging up our jail systems. They either need to legalize it or make non-jail penalties for it.)

^^^Sorry, for the crash, but are you from PA, by any chance?

May I remind many of you who need reminding:

Lambda Chi Alpha has explicit resolutions on the use of illegal drugs. In fact, one of our BASIC membership expectations is that we, as members, will not use or support the use of illegal drugs. In addition, we have six statements in our "Policy on Illegal Drugs" that support the abolishment of marijuana and other such drugs in Lambda Chi Alpha. It "shall not be tolerated" and we are to "strictly enforce this policy". According to the majority vote of acceptance of our current Constitution and Statutory Code, the use or support of this drug-associated behavior is unconstitutional to Lambda Chi Alpha, based on the fact that it's detrimental to our members and chapters. I, personally, agree with these resolutions, and support the presented evidence. You need to (pulling from previous posts) WAKE UP and realize that your responsibilities as a member of Lambda Chi Alpha are to ensure the best environment for fraternal success. Suggesting that the use of illegal drugs in our fraternity would be a good thing is ridiculous. I abide by the laws and traditions of our fraternity, as it is in the fraternity's best interest to do so. As far as the SDSU (San Diego State University, not South Dakota State University) situation is concerned, I feel that if individual members can be held accountable for their actions (assuming a few were involved) in order for this situation to put Lambda Chi Alpha back on the "road to recovery" then they individually need to be held accountable. It would do well to require the (constitutionally encouraged, anyway) chapter to educate themselves on illegal drug policy, unbiased research, and historical results of drug use in our chapters. However, if the chapter is found to be "in too deep" to save themselves, or if the chapter members of Zeta-Pi Zeta have been inundated so much as to become "un-salvageable," then the responsibility rests on the fraternity to hold the entire chapter accountable for their actions. There are varying levels and different routes to go in lending assistance and support to our members. If the International Fraternity begins to view illegal drug use as a supported aspect of chapter operations, then we are doing a disservice to our members and the fraternal community. I understand that many see marijuana use as a "coming of age" or "college-time past-time", but the fraternity (and its members) should keep with the position that it's not acceptable or beneficial for our members. And that's the most important thing that our International Fraternity needs to keep in mind; ensuring the best undergraduate membership experience possible.

In "my honest opinion" Z A X ,

Grits,

So you're saying, if you ever saw one of you brothers using drugs, you would immediately begin the process of kicking them out?

If we went by the letter on every rule or resolution, we would'nt have any membership left.

These are 18, 19 and 20 year old kids living on their own for the first time. Of course they are going to do drugs. I've been to every LXA chapter in New England. If we upheld that law, there would be no LXA chapters in New England.

I think we need to wait to hear all the facts before making any judgments on the chapter... as it stands now we have no idea why the chapter was suspended. We don't know if any brothers we involved with selling drugs, my guess would be there weren't b/c the house wasn't raided by the cops. Maybe a couple brothers we caught buying from the other house, if so the entire chapter shouldn't be punished for the acts of a few. the brotherly thing to do would be to help them over come their drug problem. Looking at the layout of "fraternity row" it looks to me like the 5 other fraternities suspended are all situated either on corners or high foot traffic areas so my guess is that drugs were being sold outside of the house and they were suspended for not reporting it.

But I think this can all be summed up in the immortal words of Eric Stratton (Rush Chair, Damn glad to meet you):

Otter: Point of parliamentary procedure!
Hoover: Don't screw around, they're serious this time!
Otter: Take it easy, I'm pre-law.
Boon: I thought you were pre-med.
Otter: What's the difference?
[Addressing the room]
Otter: Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did.
[winks at Dean Wormer]
Otter: But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
[Leads the Deltas out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]

Well, in your words they all do drugs so, this makes it okay along with what Jono posted?:rolleyes:

So, I am wondering what the heck the question is?

So it is illegal in the eyes of the law and outlawed by LXA which was voted on by members who are Brothers as such.

I am sorry, what part is not clear? Dah?

You want a pissing contest? It is in black and white. NO DRUGS!

Wow Tom, thanks for clearing that up.

So I guess the reality of the situation is, that no LXA brother had done, or ever will do, an illegal drug? Right?

I'm also guessing that since we outlawed hazing AND drinking under 21, that no LXA has ever engaged in those activites? Right?

I want to make sure nobody is making assumptions.

I said that if a member was using illegal drugs, they would need to be held accountable for those actions. I did not specify what that consequence would be, because I think those types of reactions need to be appropriate to individual situations. If the Constitution and Statutory Code does not explicitly mandate or advise a particular punishment, then it is up to the chapter's Executive Committee (or, at a higher level, the Grand High Zeta or General Assembly) to decide what consequence is appropriate.

To specifically answer GammaZeta’s question…(“So you're saying, if you ever saw one of you brothers using drugs, you would immediately begin the process of kicking them out?”):

I was Phi, Standards Chairman, and an Exec member-at-large my senior year. I found out three members were making a bad name for Lambda Chi by smoking weed and associating drugs with our chapter. I brought them up on charges in front of Exec, and a decision was made by the Committee. ...(I think, if I remember correctly, that they (1) were required to be sober - no drugs or alcohol - for the rest of that academic year, they (2) completed extra house clean-up chores, and they (3) attended a college presentation on the negative effects of drugs.) These were three decent guys that ended up quitting the drugs and rebuilding their relationship with the chapter. I think one became Tau and the other became Kappa their senior years. So, yes, I certainly think members (and chapters) can grow to become better after difficulties, if appropriate measures are taken. A member can be rebuked, and then as long as he seeks forgiveness through mending his ways, then he can improve his status back to full-membership. ...same thing for a chapter.

On the other hand, I've also been placed in the sad, but sometimes necessary, role of leading a Membership Review committee. This "house-cleaning", as I've seen it called, was at a chapter of about 100 members. This Zeta was in such disarray, due mostly to drug and alcohol abuse, that their operations were struggling to stay above water. Their leadership was disrespected, their treasury was in the red, each of their offices was in a sad state, and overall morale was killing their chance of survival. It was deemed impossible that this chapter would be able to climb up the improvement ladder with its current membership of so many men pulling down the chapter, again mostly due to their illegal lifestyles. It was necessary to work with them to ensure the chapter on that campus had re-growth. This was only possible if the men that were dragging down the chapter were formally disconnected from the fraternity, through the decisions of the Membership Review Committee. At the time, I hated it when I handed out 49 expulsion letters. I still don't like the fact that the environment in that Zeta had become so bad that it was necessary to expel them in order to save the chapter. But, now, I see that it saved the chapter in the end.

We don’t know the particulars in this situation, so we’re in no position to cast judgment. Let the chapter take care of itself, in most situations. In this case, someone has deemed that the chapter can’t make this decision on its own. If it’s up to the University, they’re going to do what they want to do…it’s their Greek system. If the decision comes down to our Office of Administration or a Status of Chapters Committee during this summer’s General Assembly…then I’m sure our brothers will do what’s in the best interest of the experience shared by the members of this fraternity.

What I don't think most older LXA's realize is that drugs are much more present in our chapters than some care to admit.

Some chapters hide it better, some don't. However, drugs are still there.

And it's not just a LXA thing, or a college thing, it is the COMPLETE college environment.

While your statement or assumption may be true, I think LXAGrits spelled it out to the Nth degree. That is the stand of LXA and IHQ.

Fight and discuss it as you may want to, it has been explained.

I am not saying it doesn't happen as you said but it is not needed in our housings.

We had a member some years back who was smoking grass in the house and he was expulled. Remember that word, expulled?

At your maturing age, you can do as you please but it still doesn't make it proper in our house situations.

Bad PR = death sentence
 

Regardless of what "really" happened, I can say with a degree of certainty that the SDSU chapter will be closed.

It's not so much the allegations that may be either true OR false. It's not so much that it's a recently reconstituted chapter. It's not so much that they were "stand up" guys. It's not so much they may or may not have used/dealt drugs.

It's that they will go the way of Colorado State University (Gamma Pi) - they made headlines, pure and simple.

Headlines that are bad publicity for the fraternity are simply not tolerated. CSU was NEVER found "guilty" of the charges that were broadcast in the press, but, since it made it to the press, it was over.

SDSU will suffer the same fate.

Bummer, but it's reality.

[QUOTE=LXAAlum;1651500]Regardless of what "really" happened, I can say with a degree of certainty that the SDSU chapter will be closed.

It's not so much the allegations that may be either true OR false. It's not so much that it's a recently reconstituted chapter. It's not so much that they were "stand up" guys. It's not so much they may or may not have used/dealt drugs.

It's that they will go the way of Colorado State University (Gamma Pi) - they made headlines, pure and simple.

Headlines that are bad publicity for the fraternity are simply not tolerated. CSU was NEVER found "guilty" of the charges that were broadcast in the press, but, since it made it to the press, it was over.

SDSU will suffer the same fate.



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And you my dear friend hope you are wrong!

If say one-three were involved and none of the others were aware of it, then why punish the rest who are good and hard working Brothers!


The Zeta there seems overly all to be doing a great job.

I am getting tired of blaming the whole Brotherhood for a few transgressions.