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MandyPepperidge 05-03-2008 01:41 PM

Kentucky Derby - your picks
 
Anyone else an avid horse racing fan? Unfortunately I couldn't make the trip this year so I'll be hosting a small party at home.

I'm picking (and betting on) Adriano and Pyro, but I also like Big Brown.

madmax 05-03-2008 01:54 PM

Eight Belles

icelandelf 05-03-2008 06:42 PM

I picked Big Brown, but I'm in shock over Eight Belles having to be euthanized right there on the track. :(

Kappamd 05-03-2008 09:35 PM

I picked Eight Belles too. :( That was devastating to see.

AGDee 05-03-2008 09:58 PM

That was so sad.

sunnyhibiscus 05-04-2008 03:26 AM

I picked Big Brown.

I liked many the dresses in the Kentucky Derby, especially the woman in the strapless dress with the purple hat.

But what happened with Eight Belles was tragic. It breaks my heart as a horse lover, and an animal lover in general.:(

Munchkin03 05-04-2008 09:51 AM

Big Brown has made me a rich girl, but part of me wanted to see the filly win. Too bad she didn't even make it back to the barn. :(

ThetaPrincess24 05-04-2008 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kappamd (Post 1644899)
I picked Eight Belles too. :( That was devastating to see.

I cried when NBC was interviewing the veterinarian and said they put her down on the spot. Just terrible :(


On a much less than sadder note, I didnt bet any money but really should have bet on the trifecta because I wouldve won that :( Next year I'm going to place a bet!!!

madmax 05-04-2008 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kappamd (Post 1644899)
I picked Eight Belles too. :( That was devastating to see.


I always pick the local horses. Smarty Jones was from Philly Park. Eight Belles home track was Delaware Park. That was Barbaro's and Afleet Alex's home also. Barbaro was put down last year.

PhiGam 05-04-2008 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ThetaPrincess24 (Post 1645097)
I cried when NBC was interviewing the veterinarian and said they put her down on the spot. Just terrible :(


On a much less than sadder note, I didnt bet any money but really should have bet on the trifecta because I wouldve won that :( Next year I'm going to place a bet!!!

You would have hit the trifecta? Damn... I've never known anybody who got it for the derby.

sigma3 05-04-2008 08:48 PM

My husband and I hit the trifecta last year and the exacta this year. Of course this year it was bittersweet. I was standing in the infield crying over Eight Belles.

I would have rather lost the money, if it had meant she was okay.

scbelle 05-05-2008 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sigma3 (Post 1645228)
My husband and I hit the trifecta last year and the exacta this year. Of course this year it was bittersweet. I was standing in the infield crying over Eight Belles.

I would have rather lost the money, if it had meant she was okay.

I think every animal lover felt that way...
I had also hit the trifecta, but it didn't matter to me since I was so upset over Eight Belles. I love the Derby, but hate when the races end in tragedy.

nate2512 05-11-2008 02:40 AM

Has anyone heard an update on the status of PETAs urgence to have the jockey suspended?

DeltAlum 05-11-2008 12:53 PM

A question for all.

NBC received a lot of grief for purposely not showing pictues of the horse collapsed on the track in pain -- and even the euthanasia (sp?).

Professionally, I agree entirely with the producer's decision.

What do you think?

AOIIalum 05-11-2008 01:45 PM

I was shocked and amazed that NBC made such a tactful decision. I truly expected multiple angles and isolation shots on Eight Belles, and couldn't believe it when they cut the repeat of the race just before she went down.

The worst thing they could have done was shown the euthanasia. There's a reason why Churchill hauled out two equine ambulances and the shades. It's heartbreaking at any time, but on Derby Day, with 150K plus in attendance in addition to a world-wide broadcast, and it would have been hysteria. I'm usually very critical of such things, but this time NBC got it right.

AGDee 05-11-2008 11:23 PM

I agree that NBC did it right.

madmax 05-12-2008 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum (Post 1649302)
A question for all.

NBC received a lot of grief for purposely not showing pictues of the horse collapsed on the track in pain -- and even the euthanasia (sp?).

Professionally, I agree entirely with the producer's decision.

What do you think?


It had nothing to do with the producer's decision. NBC didn't know what was going on until after the horse was already put down. They missed the money shot.

Once the race ended the cameras were all focused on the winner. A minute later the announcer realized a horse was down. The cameras then went to the horse and the horse trailers pull up. NBC then interviews the track doctor and the first report on the situation was the horse was euthanized.

DeltAlum 05-12-2008 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by madmax (Post 1650075)
It had nothing to do with the producer's decision. NBC didn't know what was going on until after the horse was already put down.

Sorry Max, but you're into my profession here. I've directed for NBC Sports and still have a number of friends there. There was a decision in the truck, by the producer, not to show and/or play the graphic video from several isolated as well as live cameras.

AOIIalum 05-12-2008 07:15 PM

DA can tell me if I'm right or wrong, but I bet NBC had a dedicated shot on Eight Belles throughout most, if not all of the race. She was a filly with a good shot to win, and boy does that make great TV.

My thanks to the producer for making that decision. Well done.

MandyPepperidge 05-12-2008 09:39 PM

Granted there were some horrific breakdowns prior to my watching horse races, but I have never seen a TV crew focus shots on a horse that is down on the track. It's not as though NBC is a trail blazer for not showing this footage, it just does not happen.

DeltAlum 05-13-2008 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AOIIalum (Post 1650106)
DA can tell me if I'm right or wrong, but I bet NBC had a dedicated shot on Eight Belles throughout most, if not all of the race. She was a filly with a good shot to win, and boy does that make great TV.

My thanks to the producer for making that decision. Well done.

And you can bet that a camera stayed with her after the race as well, not only because she was the second place horse, but for the reason you mentioned.

Mandy, I agree with you as well, but in the heat of the moment of live coverage, the producer made a good call.

PhiGam 05-13-2008 02:39 AM

NBCs coverage was extremely tasteful... top to bottom. Its unfortunate what happened to eight belles but when a horse breaks both front legs, there isn't a whole lot that can be done. I feel bad for the people who are affiliated with Big Brown, what a spoiler.

madmax 05-13-2008 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AOIIalum (Post 1650106)
DA can tell me if I'm right or wrong, but I bet NBC had a dedicated shot on Eight Belles throughout most, if not all of the race. She was a filly with a good shot to win, and boy does that make great TV.

My thanks to the producer for making that decision. Well done.

AOII,

Did you watch the race?


Immediately following the race, the cameras were focused on the Big Brown heading to the victory circle. The viewers actually saw Eight Belles down in the background before the idiots broadcasting the race even said there was a horse down. The broadcasters then said they didn't know the status of the horse and the cameras then went to a trackside reporter with the track vet. The cameras then went back to the horse as horse trailers pulled up. The camera then went back to the vet who said the horse was eithanized. The whole thing only took about a minute or two. The owner of the horse didn't even know the horse was put down. Some jackass producer is now trying to save face.

The fact of the matter is when the event took place NBC's broascast team said on air that they didn't know what happend or the status of the horse. Most people watching probably figured the horse simply came up lame. NBC didn't know the horse was going to be put down until AFTER it was put down so they didn't make a decision to not show the horse being put down. If you belive DAs story then the broadcast team was lying to the viewers when they said they didn't know the status of the horse, which would be stupid.

There were probably dozens of cameras but the production crew are not psychics. They don't always know which camera has the best shot. The unexpected can happen on live TV. Just watch any NFL game. Half the time the the network has to run a replay from another camera to show what happened because they missed the live shot.

nate2512 05-13-2008 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by madmax (Post 1650713)
AOII,

Did you watch the race?


Immediately following the race, the cameras were focused on the Big Brown heading to the victory circle. The viewers actually saw Eight Belles down in the background before the idiots broadcasting the race even said there was a horse down. The broadcasters then said they didn't know the status of the horse and the cameras then went to a trackside reporter with the track vet. The cameras then went back to the horse as horse trailers pulled up. The camera then went back to the vet who said the horse was eithanized. The whole thing only took about a minute or two. The owner of the horse didn't even know the horse was put down. Some jackass producer is now trying to save face.

The fact of the matter is when the event took place NBC's broascast team said on air that they didn't know what happend or the status of the horse. Most people watching probably figured the horse simply came up lame. NBC didn't know the horse was going to be put down until AFTER it was put down so they didn't make a decision to not show the horse being put down. If you belive DAs story then the broadcast team was lying to the viewers when they said they didn't know the status of the horse, which would be stupid.

There were probably dozens of cameras but the production crew are not psychics. They don't always know which camera has the best shot. The unexpected can happen on live TV. Just watch any NFL game. Half the time the the network has to run a replay from another camera to show what happened because they missed the live shot.

Most of that was ignorant and made no sense. And learn how to spell. Thank you.

AOIIalum 05-13-2008 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmax (Post 1650713)
AOII,

Did you watch the race?

Yes, and for what it's worth I've watched every Derby since I was a child. I also think it's comparing apples to oranges to compare a horse race to a NFL broadcast, but as I'm not in sports television production I'll leave those comparisons and contrasts to those who are.

Personally, I think any member of the broadcast and production crew who were horse people knew when she went down. Gary Stevens' face said it all to me. If not, then they figured it out pretty quickly when the shades went up, because without saying a word the message is clear to horse people. I have no doubt that NBC had isolation coverage on Eight Belles since she was a "good story" coming into the race. I also have no doubt that they had a camera available to show the injury.

I stand by my opinion that NBC handled it well and accept that we have differing opinions on this topic.

Tom Earp 05-13-2008 03:47 PM

The horse broke down and had to be put to sleep.

End of really friggen story!:rolleyes:

DeltAlum 05-13-2008 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmax (Post 1650713)
AOII,

Did you watch the race?


Immediately following the race, the cameras were focused on the Big Brown heading to the victory circle. The viewers actually saw Eight Belles down in the background before the idiots broadcasting the race even said there was a horse down. The broadcasters then said they didn't know the status of the horse and the cameras then went to a trackside reporter with the track vet. The cameras then went back to the horse as horse trailers pulled up. The camera then went back to the vet who said the horse was eithanized. The whole thing only took about a minute or two. The owner of the horse didn't even know the horse was put down. Some jackass producer is now trying to save face.

The fact of the matter is when the event took place NBC's broascast team said on air that they didn't know what happend or the status of the horse. Most people watching probably figured the horse simply came up lame. NBC didn't know the horse was going to be put down until AFTER it was put down so they didn't make a decision to not show the horse being put down. If you belive DAs story then the broadcast team was lying to the viewers when they said they didn't know the status of the horse, which would be stupid.

There were probably dozens of cameras but the production crew are not psychics. They don't always know which camera has the best shot. The unexpected can happen on live TV. Just watch any NFL game. Half the time the the network has to run a replay from another camera to show what happened because they missed the live shot.

Only one comment. Any journalist worthy of the name will say that he/she doesn't know what happened in an event until an official, in this case one of the track Vets, makes an official or on the record announcement.

The rest of the above isn't worth a comment.


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