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Hazed: A greek tragedy at Northwestern-Lambda Phi Epsilon
The seven pledges stood, shoulder to shoulder and in silence, on the newspaper-covered floor of an apartment on Foster Street. Across a row of seven empty trash cans, 14 actives held gallon jugs of liquid, which looked from their colors as if they had been selected at random from the coolers of a 7-Eleven.
A brother known as the "pledge father" told the pledges that though it seemed like a lot to drink, that was just a mental barrier. Each jug they drank was one fewer their pledge brothers would have to finish, he continued. "We want to see you down this stuff, balls to the wall," he said. The first active handed a jug across the trash cans to the first pledge. Unscrewing the top, he took a hesitant sip. It was spicy and thick, likely a mixture of ketchup and Tabasco sauce. He started sucking it down. He got through about half of it. Then he puked. By the time the first jug reached the seventh and final pledge, it was still unfinished. But he swallowed its last drops and went to work on the second jug. This continued for four or five hours until the last jug, brewed from a time-honored recipe called "Death," had been swilled. Each pledge drank about two gallons before the "takeout," as the pledge events are called, ended. This one was called DTYD: Drink 'Til You Drop....... http://www.uwire.com/Article.aspx?id=811702 Hazed: A Greek Tragedy After enduring countless "takeouts," the freshman pledges of Lambda Phi Epsilon called it quits http://media.www.dailynorthwestern.c...-3360461.shtml |
How damn stupid!:mad:
I hope the whole chapter is removed from the school! Why, because they were all involved in it! |
That's disgusting. What purpose does this serve? And, are there not other less ridiculous ways to demonstrate to the pledges that they have to have each others' backs? I wouldn't go so far as to say that they need to be removed from campus, but they do need to have a fraternity rep oversee what they're doing to keep things within reason.
ETA: Lambda Phi Epsilon really needs to work on oversight in general. If I'm not mistaken, each chapter is essentially a local organization with its own rules and such. If their pledges keep dying, they won't be around much longer to fix the problem. |
This kind of hazing is just stupid and ridiculous.
These guys should get kicked off campus, not necessarily because of the hazing, but just because they are complete idiots. |
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Look I'm not even gonna bother because you guys seem to have bought into everything this guy has written in his sensational article. But if you want to see this thing from our side of it as well, look for our statement in response (it will be published on Monday). Also FYI, we're not alone here trying to defend ourselves, as MGC and NPHC chapters here have also got our back and supports us. |
Is the article true? If so, then it's sort of hard to defend you. You broke campus policy and probably the law. Read through a few articles on here. Kids go to jail for much less than what is alleged in these complaints.
As far as the "outrage," if you read the article, you'll note that the "emasculation" comment was a quotation from a professor of Asian-American studies. You can't blame Jackson, he was just out to get some answers. |
Hey guys,
I just stumbled onto this site today and was surprised to find this article here. I am a student at Northwestern currently and believe every word written in this article. I know Peter Jackson very well as we are very good friends. I believe that there is no possible way for him to lie. He does have a penchant for breaking the rules but what he unearths is the truth. I am delighted to see another member of the Multi-cultural greek council go down. Although it is unfortunate, this had to be done. I mean come on, they were forcing them to drink stuff. the rumors about this chinese frat also were crazy on campus. That's how Peter wrote the story, from all the rumors. He went to each source of the rumors, and EVEN WHEN none of them were even willing to talk to him. HE STILL DUG UP THE TRUTH from the tiny bits each of them had to say. Peter had to DIG UP THE TRUTH, by putting together the details bit by bit and pieces by pieces until he discovered everything and put it down on paper. HOW IS THAT UNETHICAL OR HALF TRUTHS? he constructed the WHOLE story by using small details. Do you realize how much effort that would take? True his assignment was to do a piece on MGC (...no one wants to read about them) but Peter found something the people wanted to read about, true or not. and you know what, who cares if all his sources were freshman who didn't receive bids. IT DOSEN"T MATTER. THE TRUTH STILL CAME OUT. AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS. HE IS AN SENSATIONAL JOURNALIST AND SHOULD BE GIVEN AN AWARD FOR THIS ARTICLE. |
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"chinese frat" Wow. I honestly don't know what to say here... I didn't think there'd be people this ignorant on our campus. |
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The professor later told us that he never said that. And he mentioned that many of the other things he was quoted to say were completely taken out of context. |
Well, if PJ is worth a crap, he taped the interview so he wouldn't misquote. The quote sounds pretty ignorant anyhow. Groups don't haze because they feel emasculated, they do so because it's effective at team building.
That said, I guess you're not taking issue with the hazing accusations? |
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[my apologies everyone, I'll clean this up when I get his PM] |
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And this isnt to say that your friend isnt a good journalist. Im just saying that there are other sides and perceptions to take into account. That's all. |
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That's freaking pathetic
I know that being a member of Alpha Phi Omega they have strict standards of how they pledge people, but to know that Northwestern a prestige school would allow frats and sorrorities to haze people. I can understand little things like harmless jokes, but when they get you to binge drink until you pass out is crossing the line. It was past generations of fraternity and sorrority members that passed on their ignorant and harmful tactics to get freshman to pledge. It's bad that schools don't shut down the chapters and report them to the organizations national headquarters. What makes no sense is that you should be able to pledge without the dangerous pranks and binge drinking. I was given honorary status with the frat/sorrority organization I was with to progress into full membership with all the rights and privileges.
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I scanned the article... did a kid die or did the entire pledge class just pussy out and rat out the older brothers?
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Where is that statement? |
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It will hopefully be out on Thursday (won't jump the gun and say "will" this time), after we've ensured that our response will not get edited and censored. |
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nwu43, stop talking. You don't owe us anything. This is a matter for your national organization to handle -- it's bigger than you. Trust me on this.
(And I still owe you a reply to a PM from March - sorry!) |
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I've been trying to be as careful as I could with what I say, but you're right (I was afraid not saying anything would make us look even worse). |
Personally having ALL of your pledges drop out makes you look pretty bad to me. I admit I am a little biased after hearing about the death of one of your pledges here in Austin 3 years ago.
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I truly thought that he was going to add to prior posting something along the lines of "under the advise of attorney" rather than what he did write in post. |
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And secondly, we shouldnt compare one chapter's pledging style with another because pledging styles and traditions do vary depending on the school and location, although they may have some similarities. I feel that it's a little unfair to base one chapter's actions against their national organization. I mean, you can be biased towards that chapter, but not nationally. Ok, that's all. Thanks for reading :) |
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Seriously???? If your entire pledge class drops you're doing all sorts of wrong things. Be it picking the wrong people or hazing the hell out of them or something in between. Don't blame the pledges for the chapter's problem. |
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Im not saying that it's solely the pledges' problem if they dont cross, but it's also not solely the chapter's either. Sometimes they [the pledges] feel the organization is just not right for them or they cant hack it.. sometimes it's the organization's fault for their methods of teaching. There are times when organizations dont cross a class; it's unfortunately, but it happens. Im just saying there are many perspectives to see this from, not just one. But then again, I dont go to Northwestern and I didnt pledge Lambdas there, s0o I wouldnt really know if there really would be someone to blame.. not like I was pointing a finger to begin with. |
I don't think anyone is ready to conclude guilt.
Back in my active days, I had a little something to do with getting a pledge kicked out. I was, of course, accused by both this kid (and his mother) of hazing, which was a lie. In fact, they went so far as to try to seek redress through the University and through our Headquarters. Fortunately for me, no one found them credible enough to even take it to the next step. All we know is this: An entire pledge class dropped. As to why, consider this clip from the story: Quote:
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I really don't see what the big deal is. Nobody died or got hurt. Of course hazing is wrong but this is not newsworthy IMO.
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Aren't feelings important? |
I am not saying whether or not this chapter was guilty because there hasn't been any results from an investigation.
As for LPhiE's National Board, as Vice Chair of the umbrella organization for 10 Asian American fraternities and sororities, we have offered them the opportunity to join our organization and work with us to improve the Asian American Greek community. However, they have refused. At this point, we have no contact with their National Board (nor do we know who they are). While I respect the tenants of Lambda Phi Epsilon and I know brothers of the organization who are very respectable and uphold the organizational values, as a whole, Lambda Phi Epsilon has been very hard to work with. Unfortunately, I just saw this article about a death of one of their brothers from Binghamton. It is a very sad story and my heart goes out to the family of this man who died way too young. http://www.pressconnects.com/apps/pb...NTPAGECAROUSEL If you all have more questions, feel free to post here or PM me. Sincerely, Nate |
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mentioning Cornell, they have a Sunshine Policy where greeks who have gotten hazing sanctions are put on blast: http://www.hazing.cornell.edu/incide...ngBlotter.html Lambda Phi Epsilon has gotten into trouble twice, both alcohol and calinsthetics related |
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