Sean Bell's Killers (NYC Cops) Walk
 

Per Tom Joyner Morning Show,

The cops that killed Sean Bell in NYC back in November 2006, were acquitted on all charges.

He was shot 50 times (and one of the cops reloaded even) and died the night before he got married.


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I'm sure this will do great things for race relations in this country...

I was pleasantly surprised with Sharpton's comments.

riot?

I can't wait till May Day, I'm going to get to see all sorts of riots.

I saw some graffiti, that translated said:
"1st of May, Cars burn, Pigs (cops) die."

Sounds like a blast.

:eek:

I hope federal charges still get dropped on them.

shiner...not sure if you have been paying attention but....ummm...

hmmm...how can I put it....


uuhh......East Baltimoronese style is best....

'This ain't got shyt to do wif race.'


at least 2 or 3 of the 5 cops involved in this case were black.

But what this does have to do with is the fact that:

- the cops involved were about to be disbanded because they case that they were on wasn't turning up any evidence.

- they did not follow SOP as they went about thier investigation

- most importantly (as in the Diallo case) they shot an unarmed man.

FIFTY times!!!!!!!!!!!

Sleepless nights...
 

The cops may walk, but will they be FREE?

and one reloaded.

Yeah, how did THAT get justified?

he was scared that Bell was gonna use harsh language....


BTW here is a timeline all the way up to April 1st of all that has transpired:


timeline from the beginning

Interesting. I guess I was thrown off by Sharpton's presence.

I thought I remembered racial tones to this story when it happened, but I suppose it was just straight up police brutality instead.

yes....please make sure you read thru this story carefully...there is a lot more going on than race in this...

I'm sick to my stomach.

Two more children left without a father. Another woman left alone to find a way to raise her family.

I heard about the decision on my way to work this morning on NPR... One of the reporters was in the crowd outside the courthouse with hundreds of people and you could just hear them yelling and screaming...

This whole thing just makes me sick...

Did you take a pic?

This incident is an outrage and the acquittal is ridiculous.

I can't imagine finding out the man that you love was killed the eve before your wedding. :(:mad::eek: Words can't express.

My apartment is right behind the courthouse, so I was awakened at 6 this morning because of...newscopters!

The "racial tones" come from the fact that this is yet another case of a black man being the victim of police homicide. This is a structural problem with "off the record" police procedures and the profiling and treatment of "usual suspects." This is less about the race of the officers in question.

Here's the NY Times story from 2006:

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/refere...ell/index.html

EXACTLY!!!

They had NO reason to shoot him, but then 50 times!!! WTF! Yeah they might bne free, and AKA_Monet refered to the sleepless nights they may or may not have. Wesley Snipes is going to jail for 3 years for some damn tax evasion, but they killed a man who did NOTHING. Justice....:(:mad::eek::mad::mad:

Well, and I'm sure a lot of it has to do with my assumption (and other people may do this too) that any police brutality case which receives significant attention probably has a racial element. I'm sure that isn't entirely accurate, but those stories seem more likely to be well-publicized.

But yes, I think police brutality and racial profiling often run up against each other. Also, police brutality arguably disproportionately impacts the inner-city poor, which often brings in an element of racial divide.

OK...The cops

2 Black
1 Hispanic
2 White

Ofc Michael Oliver, the white cop, shot 31 times, the most of all the shooters, also was the one who reloaded....

Let's just get that out in the open.

But again, race really doesn't have a play here over police procedure, which it was discussed, was improperly followed.

However, I have to say this though....at 4am in a questionable part of town...if 4 or 5 guys roll up on me and my boys that I don't know...it's fight or flight, I don't care what color you are.

Yeah I reread the article, I'm not sure what point you're really arguing. I'm not claiming this is a racial incident, I was just responding to DST's post about how racial undertones are sometimes sensed in police brutality situations.

Not arguing anything...stop assuming that I am.

Just making it clear for you.

Thanks, though after your initial correction I was able to clarify the situation for myself.

Race actually does have a play here but not in the way that Americans are used to dealing with race.

Americans are used to dealing with race in terms of a racially prejudiced cop (usually white) targeting racial and ethnic minorities (usually males) because they dislike minorities and want to justify targeting them.

However, what has been found regarding race and law enforcement is that racial and ethnic minority officers are often the ones using force on racial and ethnic minority suspects--for various reasons including alleged suspect demeanor and even the perceived need to prove themselves to fellow officers. White officers who do or do not feel a particular way about black males, for instance, do not necessarily translate this feeling into behavior (police brutality, shooting suspects, harassing blacks) to the extent that people think they do.

So when we talk about police brutality and profiling, in terms of police procedures, we do have to acknowledge that black males are most often the victims of this and there is a huge cover-up going on that allows cops to be acquitted most of the time. This is about a structural issue regarding race in police procedures and not the individual level issue of racial prejudice that Americans are used to focusing on. That's why the race of the officers (and even the existence or nonexistence of prejudices) is not key. Black and Hispanic officers are just as susceptible to perpetuating this structural inequality in many contexts.

This is total BULL! I am sooo pissed. I hope that justice gets served one way or another. I hope the fry soemwhere here in chair or in hell. I'm sorry, but this is total crap!!

I had a situation in Oct 1995 (unbelieveably, the same day the OJ verdict came out) where cops who presumed that I and one of my brothers, killed his baby (they thought that we dumped the body in some woods....LOONNG STUPID STORY.) drove up behind us in an unmarked car and plainclothes (come to find out later, they were on thier way to work), one got out with gun already drawn, my brother frantically drove away as the driver of the car gave chase, and never IDed himself as a cop.

I was never so scared in all my life, and yeah, I thought I was being robbed, in broad daylight mind you.


Short version was, I was walking home, my brother was driving past and said he would take me home, I opened the car door and put my nephew's babyseat in the back and got in the car.

The officer later said he thought we had dumped the baby and was driving off!

Well, Seid, sure, what other logical conclusion could he have come to? Couple young black dudes (one with DREADS, no less), put an empty baby seat in a car -- clearly they must have dumped a little body somewhere. What else would they be doing with it?

*hoping dripping sarcasm I hear in my head is translating through the screen*

heheheh....riiiight?????

got 2 items for you nitt....LOL

1. in 1995 I was bald...HA! (I need to see if I can still find pics....)

2. The cops too, were black...which when CHAOS explained the profiling situation put a whole lotta stuff in perspective...

Before I even post I will state that ANYTHING that Rev Al gets involved with will ALWAYS be turned into a matter of RACE. Just MVHO. Based on his MO of many years.

And since I have yet any postings from today with what happened; please read some of them. As well as links off of them:
From the NY local papers:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/ny...26BELL.html?hp
http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dynam...P&SECTION=HOME
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c...itted_of_.html
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ne...,3279195.story
http://www.amny.com/news/ny-nycops0426,0,4250.story

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24305660/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/25/...ial/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352566,00.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...edName=topNews


From the radio feeds I heard, many of the local crime beat reporters said that the "unreliable testimony of Bell's friends" (I am using a kind phase) hurt the case.
"Justice Arthur J. Cooperman, who delivered the verdict in State Supreme Court, said many of the prosecution’s witnesses, including Mr. Bell’s friends and the two wounded victims, were simply not believable. “At times, the testimony of those witnesses just didn’t make sense,” he said."

BTB, Rev Al is involved in another police shooting case in NY metro area.
An off duty local officer was shot and killed by four County Officers.
Rev Al got involved even before it was publicly announced that the victim was black. The four County Officers are mixed group.

I knew that someone on the A train was bound to pull in soon...and right on time.

Jon...go back and read some of the posts here too...

I have, I will. You should as well;):D
IMVHO, too many people are confusing emotional issues (which can in some ways be justified) with legal matters and issues.
A train????:(:confused:

A Train....yes....hehe...waiting for another one to pull in....

To answer your question....with a question....why do you think this trial was done without a jury....?

Yeah, that was referred to as a "risky" choice by the defendants at first... uh, no, they must have known a jury would be much more likely to put them in the slammer for decades while a single judge is much easier to, oh, let's just say, "convince".

Still not clear about A train comment.:confused:
I do know that answer-while I many have only stayed once or twice in a Holiday Inn Express my Dad was a litigator. He argued in front of the USSC.;)
However that is only one of many issues involved in this case.

The same kind of jury known in NY for giving very high awards in Property & Casualty cases.;)
I would rather have the evidence and witness convince me.

When it pulls in again.. I will make it clear for ya...hehehe!


I was asking the question in part because I think the reason why no jury was involved, (unlike the Amadu Diallo case) was because of the possibility that emotions would have ruled instead of what you had mentioned

I think we may actually be on the same page.
BTB, just which train are you waiting for?;)
And I thought that the Metro lines were Red, Blue, Yellow et al....

This has just literally made me sick to my stomach.....I'm lost for words at the present moment...

Trust me...it's the A train. ;)