OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!!!!! I know, I am a huge red wings fan too and woke one of my roomates up last night at 3 am by celebrating and yelling. This is a huge trade for us.

Micheal Peca went to the islanders. Lindros is rumored to be traded but hasn't been.

The flyers signed Jeremy Roenick. Other than that, nothing as earth shattering as the hasek deal. I did hear we will try to trade osgood for a good young forward or two. I am just now coming off the celebration mode of getting the six time vezina trophey winner!!!!

Ex-Greek, I know that Detroit is also looking at Turgeon, O'Donnell from Atlanta, and Magilney from NJ. There were talks about Lindross coming to Detroit but with the Koslov/Hasek trade, I don't see it happening now. I think Dallas has made him an offer but I believe he already said he doesn't want to go there. I wonder what they're going to do with Ozzie? Now we have four goaltenders! Maybe they'll trade Ozzie to Atlanta for O'Donnell and a draft pick?

-Turgeon signed with the Stars; brett hull's gone for good then, prob . . .

-The Islanders traded for Micheal Peca, yes, but also for Alexei Yashin - personally, i think these two may be more important than even the Hasek trade - when was the last time the Islanders ever did anything this big? It's been 7 years since they made the playoffs, looks like they're starting to realize it too.

-The Blues traded for Doug Weight - huge deal; w/ Tkachuk, now they don't need Turgeon any more . . .

It looks like it's going to be a crazy year in the NHL - now if only the Bruins get off their asses and do something!

Leslieagd, Odonnell signed with I think Carolina. I would love to have mogilny come to detorit. I heard the latest rumor is that the Philadelphia flyers just offered a 5 year 25 mill. contract to lapointe. I am not so sure the wings would match it, for the price may be a bit much.

Turgeon signed with dallas. Another guy I wanted, Doug weight, signed with STL today. So now it looks like mogilny is the best choice out there for us.

I have heard a rumor of the wings trading osgood to a lesser team, but getting a young forward or two in return. A

As for the lindros deal, The rumor was Lindros for fedorov and aaron ward. The wings gm turned it down saying he didn't want to give up a major player for a player who is injury prone.

Hey ksig, is dafoe going to be back in full form next year? A possible situation I heard was if dafoe did not come back at 100%, the wings would send osgood for that allison guy.

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Hey Everyone...I am a huge hockey fan (go Red Wings!) and I watched the draft (I think it was on last weekend?) and there have been some crazy trades going on!

I just found out that the Red Wings traded Slava Koslov to Buffalo for Dominic Hasek (sp?) & a first round draft pick for next year. I was pretty floored! Can some other hockey fans fill me in on some of the big trades to other teams?

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LOL!!!!! Winning team, the sens? Heh, regular season is only half of what you want to accomplish. Getting swept out of the first round when you are a two seed is embarrassing. Sorry, we Michiganders like to poke fun at the Canadien loyalty to their teams. 8 years and counting ;-)

Just pulling your leg of course. I am sure you make fun of us (fill in the blanks) down here in hockeytown. The isles might be a winning team in a year or two if their moves pan out.

I know my team, NY Rangers, are in discussion with Pitsburgh for Jamr Jagr (spelling?). I hope they don't give away the farm system for this guy. Anyway, I'll be happy if the Rangers have a .500 record this year.

When did Turgeon and O'Donnell sign??? I never heard that they wanted Ward & Fedrov for Lindros, I thought that was for Jagr? Lapointe said he wants to stay in Detroit so they're still in negotiations...we really need him to stay.

St. Louis Blues lost Turgeon and Reasoner as well as two others. A little said at the lost of Reasoner and Turgeon both, but hopefully what they picked up will help: they inked Oiler's Doug Weight to a 5-year deal. Anyone know much about Weight?

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Too many times we stand aside and let the waters slip away. 'Til what we put off 'til tomorrow has now become today. So don't you sit upon the shoreline and say you're satisfied. Choose to chance the rapids and dare to dance the tide. ~ "The River" Garth Brooks

we lost Martin LaPointe to Boston...sniff sniff...

Ex greek , your comments prove how in-depth your hockey knowledge is. If I recall this past post-season Detroit was a number 2 seed that was ousted by a team that barely made the playoffs. In fact, within the last five years half of the #2 vs # 7 matchups went to the lower seeds.

I can't explain how much the team means to the city, the only way to describe it is for you to visit the city and feel it yourself.
This organization is always within the top in the league for attendence, corporate support and has by far the best scouting along with an excellent coaching staff. You wanna know why they choked in the playoffs? Maybe because most of their top players are all between 19-23 (havlat, hossa, phillips, rachunek, redden).

Oh yeah and Detroit they're a model franchise...let's go buy another stanley cup. Team trades away one of the greatest of all times for trying to start a players association.



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Well first of all . . . if the B's trade Jason Allison, it's all over, fold the franchise, pack up an Original 8 team b/c that's mental retardation, esp. for Chris Osgood (aka "Shoot from the blue line - 50/50 it's going in if it's playoff time"). But LaPointe is a step in the right direction . . . the B's need some DEEE-fense, and Dafoe to strengthen up those legs . . . groin/hamstring injuries let him play about 40 games a year, and that's not enough when your backup is basically my 16 yr old brother from Des Moines, Iowa.

I heard weight had 90 points last year and was 8th in the league in scoring. A good pick up for the blues. He was an all-star too.

How in depth my hockey knowledge is eh? Well for one thing, Ottawa has probably the best minor league system. I should know, ouy city has their top minor league franchise. You guys have a star in waiting in goaltender Chiounard down here.

We lost our series too, but we had our top two scorers out. Plus, we all know Fedorov is unreliable when it comes to crunch time. The kings exploited our biggest weakness, age. The loss was embarrasing but what can you do? We did take two games though, how many did Ottawa take? Just curious, I have no hockey knowledge so I wouldn't know.

But don't be bitter about your team not winning anything, or your country for that matter. I am not one of the dumb people who think that we will win it every year. Our team is way too old, though the addition of a 36 year old 6 time Vezina trophey winner might still help. Want proof of why we won't win it again? We signed an old robitaille.

"Let's go buy another stanley cup?" BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!! Looks like someone had a case of the mondays! (Office Space) Come back and talk when you win something more than your division.

At least I can admit that we still don't have a chance next year. Colorado is too damn good. But as for you guys, lets see how your younger players produce. Can they improve enough to top jersey? Philly? I say one more year yet.

Hey if you want to continue this, e-mail me. No personal digs at you, just the thought of any canadien's view of the americans 'stealing' every stanley cup since 93.

We didn't lose him now, he lost us last year in the playoffs. (wink wink)

The wings offered him 3.2 mill in which he turned down. How much did boston give him?

Erk. Tired. Must. Sleep...

Just wanted to let you know that I'm a Wings fan, too http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Did San Jose get anyone good?

Not really a hockey fan, but minus well ask just b/c I like Bay ARea teams http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif.

The federal government was going to allocate lottery revenues to the 6 teams but reneged because public outcry was really bad. The city of Ottawa gave Bryden some municipal tax cuts, but nothing substantial. The province of Alberta is working on something with the wo NHL teams, not sure where that's been heading.
I don't know who will win the Olympics, we'll definitely have a better team this time around. It all comes down to goal tending, just like hasek in nagano, or richter in 1998 - hot goalie makes all the difference.

Well, we got Luke Robatie (sp?) from LA. I think Boston is giving LaPointe $20 mil but I don't know how many years his contract is for.

First of all, I'm not bitter about my team Not winning, it's how they lost. They were swept by a bitter rival, when everyone thought it would be a cake walk. When Ron Maclean asked Pat Burns if Toronto could sweep Ottawa he said there was no chance in hell. What i'm frustrated (and in case of you haven't realized this yet) is that Canadian teams are at a considerable disadvantage vs their american counterparts. Low Can. dollar, property taxes, municipal taxes, etc., all make it very difficult for every canadian team to remain competitive. Canadians don't believe in taxpayer-supported stadiums, most fans do not understand the full business of professional sport franchises. Every year Ottawa has to "trade down" players to cut costs, whether it's a super-star center like Alexei Yashin, or a solid 3rd Defenceman in Jason York (who is a fan favorite, native to the city of Ottawa and wants to play here).

So what happens when the young players are become too expensive to be kept? Are they traded for picks too?

It's because of some of these reasons noted above that Canadian teams haven't been dominating the stanley cups like in the past. Montreal had 7 in the 70s alone.

But at least we can take solace in knowing we'll make it count at the upcoming Olympics.

And no this isn't a case of the mondays (yesterday was a holiday), this is how every die-hard fan up here feels.

I know how you guys feel, I mean after all, our team plays north of Canada. Has the government proposals went thorugh to help these teams out yet? There is no discounting your countrys success over the years, but until the money issues are worked out, it will stay like it is now.

As for the oylmpics, they haven't got it done lately. Everyone knows you will medal, but will you all get gold? At least they didn't trash their hotel rooms like some other country.

First of all, win or lose (as they have every year since 1993) my team is Les Canadiens, so anyone can take potshots at me right away! But I am also Canadian so I have to add my two cents (that would be like four American) to the comment on the US "stealing the cup since 1993" from Canadians. I don't feel this way, totally. For the past two years, Lord Stanley's Cup has made it to Nova Scotia. First with John Sim of the Dallas Stars and then Colin White with the NJ Devils. Both times the city of New Glasgow and the province of Nova Scotia have beemed with pride that two local boys have made it. No one says "yeah well, too bad the Sens couldn't pull it off". Because those boys bringing back the cup to a town that small, only makes ALL the peewee, bantam, midget players in that town want to succeed and play. When there were only 8 teams, not all of them were in Canada! The expansion of the NHL has given many men the chance to play. In return (nowadays) they in turn make a lot of money. Most, give back to their communties, making life easier on a family who can't afford to spend $600 a year on ice time alone, thus fullfilling a childrens dream.
Think about people from the Eastern Block in Europe. They are just happy to play, no matter what team!
As a country we love our culture and feel that the NHL is a part of that. But we can still pride ourselves in the fact that we are the birthplace of hockey, that there are more Canadian players in the NHL then the Americans and Europeans combined, that we are excelling in Womens Hockey, at the Worlds, the World Juniors, the Olympics and that we have Hockey Night in Canada http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif None of that would have been possible without the NHL growing beyond 8 teams, or the financial resources of some big American businessmen, who saw an opportunity and capitalized on it. They are not stealing the cup, they are giving us all a chance to enjoy the game in its full potential.
(Remember Greek love people! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif )


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This thread has been slowing down lately so it's time stir up the controversy...

Lots of Heart while I respect and agree with all of what you've said, I think it ignores the fact that Canada is not dominating hockey like it once was - and that's what's scaring most canadian hockey fans. It isn't our game anymore, for the longest time it was only us vs the russians. Now the NHL makeup is only 53% Canadian, 10 years ago it was 75%.
The expectation level has dropped, plain and simple. When the juniors dominated gold 5 years in a row anything less than first place was unsatisfactory, now just getting a medal is considered an accomplishment.
Hockey is one of the only notable characteristics associated with Canadiana and when our teams go south with just a wimper, it makes me mad that so little ppl in this country care about it.

Ex Greek you said something about Ottawa not winning more than their division? If you're ever at the hockey hall of fame, check the engravings on the cup and you'll see ottawa is on it 5 times http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif


[This message has been edited by Lil_G (edited July 06, 2001).]

Hey does anyone know the details on lapointe's contract? I heard it was 22 mil, but not sure over how many years. I also heard it was a 380% raise over his last contract....I can't understand Harry Sinden, he's such a cheap bastard, lets players go for nothing and then throws money around at mediocre players.

Can someone puh-leeze answer my question?? thanks all you hockey buffs http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif.

Uh oh lil g, you sure passed that over on me. Gee I did not know that. Got any other facts I should know? Lol. That is like saying did you know the islanders won from 80-83? Yeah, find something a bit more obscure http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Newbie, they haven't signed anyone big as of yet.

The trades have been interesting this year, and the AVS signed Roy, Sakic (with a no trade contract), and Blake! STANLEY CUP CHAMPS 2001!

Hey even if their last cup was in 1910's it still counts. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif
Sorry carolyn, san jose hasn't made any moves at all, there's rumors they're interested in brett hull though. Nobody seems to want him, i'm sure they can get him cheap.

LIL G, I heard it was a five year contract.

Not as sure about the eastern confrerence as of yet but here is my pre-pre season western confrerence picks:

1. Colorado
2. Detroit
3. St. Louis
4. Dallas
5. San Jose
6. Vancouver
7. Edmonton
8. Los Angeles

Not factoring in the real seedings where each division winner gets one of the top 3 spots. Bring on the response

1. Chicago
2. Calgary
3. Anaheim
4. Minnesota
5. Phoenix
6. Columbus
7. Nashville
8. Colorado

Hahahaha, that's the only way (as a joke) those teams above have a shot in making the playoffs. They should just take a year off and let the better teams duke it out.

1. Colorado - too much talent, Lacroix knows what's going on.
2. St. Louis - If they ever get a goaltender, they'll be a stanley cup favorite. But because they don't have one yet, they show up at number 2.
3. San Jose - They were in the top 3 last year until all their players got injured. Now their healthy and they young guns will have some more experience under their belt.
4. Detroit - when you buy all your stanley cups, ya gotta do well during the regular season.
5. Vancouver - Loads of upcoming superstars, team will only get better in upcoming years.
6. Dallas - This team is getting really old, with not that many prospects to keep it going. In a few years they'll be garbage unless Hicks throws a lot of money around.
7. L A - insert your comment here.
8. Edmonton - Not much too say here, poor edmonton; holding their breath until 2004.

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ExGreek, I really doubt that Colorado is going to win the cup consecutively. NJ is always a good team on the East and maybe it's biast, but with Hasek and Robataille added to our great team, I think Detroit has a good shot at the cup. I don't know, there hasn't been a Canadian win in a while so maybe they'll suprise us.

Colorado has so much talent. A good mix of young and old. And St. Louis will always be a softie no matter how far they get.

Thanks ExGreek and Nick http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif!

Can you guys keep me updated if SJ does make a move(s)?? Thanks http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif.

Jagr has been is headed to the Washington Capitols in exchange for 3 prospectives.

Maple Leafs signed Karel Pilar.

Wings traded Aaron Ward to the Carolina 'Canes for a furture draft pick (Scotty was never a fan of his).

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Anybody up for some hockey trivia? I'll start with a question....

"Who was the first American to be picked in the first round of the NHL draft and which team did he play for?"

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By the light of the lamp, by the light of the lamp, by the bright shiny light, by the light of the lamp...if you are a DeeZee, you're the best that you can be, by the bright shiny light of the lamp!

Ummmmm is he Joe Mullen for the pittsburg penguins?

Alright next question - The Stanley Cup was cancelled only once in it's history - 1917-1918. What was the reason for this?

Good try, Lil G, but not right! I'll post the answer tomorrow http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Because of World War I?
~Sarah