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Kappa Beta Gamma/Kappa Delta
Kappa Delta is colonizing at Franklin and Marshall College...does anyone know if they are simply taking over Kappa Beta Gamma? There was rumor that they wanted to associate with an NPC. Congrats to KayDee on a new chapter!
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They are absorbing the KBG chapter which sought NPC affiliation.
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Great news for Kappa Delta.
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Congrats to Kappa Delta!
However, it seems like KBG is getting smaller! I wonder if the remaining chapters will be absorbed by an NPC national? |
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According to this, they're are focused on continuing their plans to expand. |
The Franklin Marshall chapter of Kappa Delta was installed this past week-end.
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Yay! :)
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It was a beautiful ceremony and banquet. One of the initiate's mother's is a KD and so she came in to pin her daughter with her gorgeous diamond, emerald, and pearl badge!
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ta kala, how many ladies were initiated? Was it just the members of KBG or were others as well? I understand Ripon is next weekend.
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I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying this...
But, does anyone else see a problem with this? The Franklin & Marshall chapter of KBG is only a few years old-excuse me, was only a few years old. And, they disaffiliated from the their national, which, I mean, is a small sorority, but still--only to affiliate with Kappa Delta. And, this is the second chapter to do so--the first affiliated with KKG. I just find it disrespect of the founders, rituals, vows....everything for KBG. What kind of loyalty does that breed for those newest members of Kappa Delta? And, what does that show for Kappa Delta? It's been said on here before, by 33girl and I'll say it again. Just because your vows aren't to an NPC sorority doesn't make them disposable. |
Yeah, I see a problem with this...but then again, my mom's a KBG alum from the LUC Chapter which affilated with KKG last year. To me if you pledge your loyalty to a sisterhood then drop it to join a bigger one....well, how loyal are you, really?
FWIW, I will say I believe the ladies at F&M were more honest about looking to join an NPC chapter than their former LUC sisters. From what I've heard, the F&M KBG sisters told their nationals they were looking to affilate elsewhere before it happened. They kept everything above-board and honorable, and I'm sure they'll be a fantastic addition to the KD sisterhood. The LUC KBG chapter (which, by the way, was over 40 years old) didn't clue their National in to the fact that they were trying to leave until after the fact. That's not right. If BootyKBG is still around, I'm sure she'll have a lot more first-hand info about this, and I, for one, would be interested in her thoughts on this. |
Let's remember that the F&M girls did ask permission from KBG to be released, as opposed to the LUC group. I doubt they would have wanted to go through with it if they hadn't gotten KBG's approval (considering the bit of a mess that was caused with the LUC chapter).
I also would be interested in any KBG's thoughts about this and how they as a national are handling this (like are they upset, etc). I also wonder if they are looking at this and wondering why it is that their chapters are becoming interested in other orgs (and maybe looking into it). |
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The bigger issue I see with it is the loyalty of those sisters that were just initiated. They have not proven any sort of loyalty to KBG by doing what they did. If being apart of a large, well established NPC chapter was important to you, why didn't you join an NPC in the first place? What kind of loyalty will they have to KD? I hate when women join chapters just to disaffiliate later and I guess the bigger issue I see is KD assisting the chapter in their endeavors. Initiation is initiation no matter if it's NPC and I'll always have respect for that. |
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Oh, no, KSU, I wasn't saying KD had done anything wrong at all.
What I'm trying to say is--essentially, these women joined KBG and turned in their badges (when they asked to be released) only to re-affiliate with Kappa Delta. And, I when I said that Kappa Delta was assisting them, I meant that by going on with the colonization, Kappa Delta was assisting the women in turning away from KBG. Make sense? I just hate it when women affiliate and then turn in their badges, is all. |
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This seems to have been conducted in a very straight up manner by all concerned - KBG national, KD national and the sisters at the F & M chapter. That LUC deal, though, really really not so much. |
I wrote this in another thread, but it is one thing to accept a local sorority or a group that had its roots with another national sorority. It is another to actually initiate a whole group of women who were once initiated in another "national sorority". National fraternities do this, but national sororities do not -- regardless if they are part of NPC, NPHC, etc. It just seems that any NPC sorority that does this is desperate for a chapter and loses a lot of respect from other national groups. How would an NPC sorority feel if this was done to them -- they would not like it at all.
The NPC sorority "should" have waited for the group to become a local sorority (after disafflilating from the national sorority) for at least 3-4 years until all those women graduated, before allowing the group to petition and accepted by an NPC sorority. But apparently, the NPC sorority was not willing to wait or to start from the ground up. |
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Wow. KD has 130 chapters, plus 3 upcoming colonies (not including F&M). They are certainly not "desperate." KD didn't just swoop in and say "hey you guys should leave KBG and become KDs, we'll help!" They were contacted by the group. |
KD is far from desperate. Refer to the number of new colonies we have in the works, the fact that we have the most alumnae chapters out of any NPC group and our strength in many other areas.
Attacking a group, calling them desperate, without knowing all the facts behind the situation is B.S., tacky and rude, PhiRhoSister. You don't make the rules, telling them that they should've disaffiliated, etc. |
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I think Kappa Delta is a welcome addition to F&M. |
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I do wonder if the women could have all just disaffiliated as a group, made an interest group and then turned into Kappa Delta, thereby leaving the KBG chapter open for those women who wanted to join. I am just grasping at straws but I wouldn't be surprised if the school put the kibosh on that idea. |
as a greek at luc not involved in the whole KBG/KKG switch, I can tell you what I've heard:
luc KBG girls were very dissatisified with nationals and had expressed that to them. nationals really didn't act on it or take them seriously so the girls felt left out and wanted to be part of a group that would pay attention to them. the girls went looking for a new association and i think around 8-9 sororities visited campus and met the girls and the girls ultimately decided to affiliate with KKG. luc greek life accepted this because nearly all of the girls voted to dissassociate themselves and all pledged to KKG. girls that did not want the switch simply did not join KKG and KBG was barred from recruiting new members by luc greek life. sororities at luc are all huge (i think all are at least 60+ members each), so this is a place where you want to make sure your chapter has good relations with nationals. |
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There's a GC poster whose mom was a KBG alumna from LUC and apparently the alums had NO idea any of this was happening. I'm sorry, but that is absolutely inexcusable. Quote:
As a member of one of the "1951 joiners" - I'm a little sensitive to stuff like NPC not following through on promises they make or being disrespectful to smaller groups. |
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The other groups that joined in 1951, well, I don't think they could very well say "doggone it, why did you have to remove your exclusionary policies!" |
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As for that second comment, I said NPC, not KD. NPC apparently told KBG they would help them and went back on that promise. I find that bogus, just like some other previous promises NPC as a group made and broke. Oh and re the XO-->Zeta Psi Sigma-->AXO deal at CMU, one of the sisters of the chapter said on here that they contacted Chi O, and Chi O sent them a letter back saying they weren't interested. They can hardly be mad if they were asked to come back and declined. I have never said anything negative about KD in this thread - in fact I have commended them for the above board way they handled it - so don't get all defensive and make me change my mind. |
I think part of the challenge with thse situations is the question of what exactly is a national sorority? KBG has declared itself to be national, but they do not (possibly cannot?) provide the same kinds of opportunities as an NPC--not anything wrong with that, but I wonder sometimes if women think they are getting something they are not because a group has chartered itself as a "national".
I speak from experience--there is a KBG chapter at my alma mater, and even before they expanded outside the IL/MI/WI region would call itself a national. The women in my organization were then in the position of having to explain why our dues were higher in comparison-- from the PNM perspective, a national is a national, right? So why is one group's dues so much higher than the other? Yet, the benefits of membership were VERY different when talking about national networking, convention and other programming opportunities. I am not slamming KBG or any other non-NPC national organization--because there is a place for them. But I imagine that there are some women who just don't understand that there is a difference. |
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There's a GC poster whose mom was a KBG alumna from LUC and apparently the alums had NO idea any of this was happening. I'm sorry, but that is absolutely inexcusable. QUOTE] I'm the poster...some of the LUC alums STILL do not know about the change. My mom had lunch with a couple of her pledge sisters a month or so ago, and they were shocked this happened...especially since the LUC KBG girls were still soliciting donations from their alumni the summer before the switch. |
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My appologies. I over looked the few sentances that clearly mentioned KKG. :) |
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greek life at luc has been on the upswing in recent years so having 4 NPC sororities is what the greek life department liked. honestly, the KKG girls are nice and no one on campus really has any hard feelings over the situation. do nationals? probably so. but the KKG girls felt that having a bigger sorority to be a part of (that paid attention to them) would ultimately be more beneficial than remaining with KBG. aside from the minority of KBG girls that wanted KBG to remain, there wasn't really any drama on campus over the situation. |
That's great that there was very little campus drama over the situation...that's not what's shaddy here, and that's not why people are upset. It's the fact the former LUC KBG girls snuck around and didn't let their National organization know their intentions...or the alums who continued to support the chapter up until the end. These girls destroyed 50 years of history without explaining themselves to the sisters who came before them....that's wrong. I don't know if their National Organization "ignored" them. I know they had asked for help with recruitment, and their National responded. It might not be what they wanted, or needed, and maybe that was the catalyst.
There's a right way to do things, and there's a wrong way. The F&M Chapter, regardless of how anyone feels about their disaffiliation, did things the correct way. The LUC Chapter did not. |
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Over the years there have been many fraternity and sorority chapters that resigned from a small national to become chapters of NIC or NPC organizations. The Alpha Delta Pi chapter at University of St. Louis is another one-time Kappa Beta Gamma chapter. Their St. Norbert chapter withdrew and was a local for several years before returning to the national. As has been stated, it is very difficult for a small national organization to provide adequate services as the campus level becomes more competitive with larger national organizations.
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