teacher assaulted by student, and caught on video
 

Just when you thought you have seen it all:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/video/?s...cher0410-video

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24047456/

Whoa. That kid needs a serious butt whoopin'.

Many schools have never been safe. There just weren't camera phones and other ways of recording this stuff before. Teachers have gotten raped and assaulted at school when I was younger. It seems more frequent now because the info is more widely distributed.

Sidebar: The first thing I thought when I clicked on the link is "yooou got a fast car...."

And to think-I was about to fill out a teaching application for next year...I don't know anymore.

Welp, we can go back to where we were back in the day and not educated kneegrows... If they behave like savages, then let them die like savages... I know, that is EFF'ed up--but there are rules of the Universe you just don't break--one of them being you don't hurt or threaten teachers, no matter how much "trigger words" were used.

Ultimately, kids do not have to go to school. You cannot make them learn if they don't want to. But, I also should not have to pay for the consequences of their mistakes, when they get older. Let them dig ditches in Iraq? Or make license plates. Whatever. This is crazy.

This is exactly why I'm grateful for the teachers out there. I wouldn't have been able to hold back like that. Telling someone that you're going to defend yourself isn't a "trigger word," it's the damn truth! I hope that student was dealt with accordingly.

Now all I can think of is "aand IIIII-eee-IIIII" LOL

I didn't click through to the link, but I saw the story on the news last night, and they reported that the principal claimed that the teacher brought the attack on herself.


Doesn't that pretty much sum up the pathetic attitude that creates horrible school culture from the top down?

I hope the teacher pressed charges against the kids and sues the principal as well.

ETA:L from the article: "Lewis High was put on probation by Maryland school authorities last year for the high number of violent incidents reported there. Marietta English, the president of the Baltimore teachers’ union, said that the school has taken to not reporting incidents and not disciplining students for fear of being labeled “persistently dangerous,” a designation that would allow students to choose to go to other schools in the city."

Yes, it pretty much sums up the dumb attitude some folks have created from the top down.

And the reality is, this school is off the No Child Left Behind list--because these are the kids that have been long since been left behind...

You have got to think the kid was probably born in 1987-1989? Crack baby maybe? Also the teacher did not seem like that was her happily chosen profession--yet, it does not excuse the fact what this student did to her.

The teacher can probably press charges against the student for assault. She probably cannot touch the principal, but probably get her demoted. Making of a hazardous work environment? The GC lawyers would know more.

The sad part is this kid is probably headed directly to a penal institution because she just does not know appropriate behavior.

I'm not sure I really want to watch the video.

My wife taught in a high school for "emotionally disturbed" adolesent girls in Baltimore years ago. Almost everyone in her classes had criminal records.

Even in a very suburban public school in Ohio, she had a knife flashed at her in a class once. She backed the kid down. I wouldn't want her to even consider it these days.

Scary stuff.

Since the girl is in high school, she would have been born 1990-1993...well unless she's failed a grade or two, then she might have been born before 1990.

But it is pretty pathetic that the principal would place the blame on the teacher. It really goes to show how little control teachers have in the classroom. I know if it was me, i would have struck back--and then i'd probably be in jail. haha.

I was taking to one of my long-time friends, and we said the exact same thing! I mean I've been out of high school for almost 5 years, and it seems like its been AGES compared to how we acted when we were in school compared to the kids now.

What's she going to sue the student for? You think that kid's parents have money? You can't garnish welfare checks.

Probably without doing anything, the girl will wind up in prison as Bubbatte's girlfriend anyways... So what's the point in teaching her?

A very unfortunate situation.

I really think we need some kind of forced alternative where violent students can be placed- like some kind of boot camp- and not penalize schools for expelling students.

Federal grant money is based largely on head count, and as long as dropping a problem student could reduce the amount of a school's funding- problem students like this will be tolerated until a serious incident like this happens (and even then...)

Take kids like that away from their parents and stick them in a military school. I think that's the only hope there is. If a kid acts like that, the parents have failed. Society needs to start to take remedial measures at some point. A few years of boarding school is a lot cheaper than a lifetime behind bars for the state.

Sweetie, I think this high school was the last ditch alternative high school before a formal penal institution type of school--where there is a compound, gates surrounding the premises and armed guards.

A taser could have worked though... A zap on the side... It is not that lethal if used once.

While I agree with you about "boarding school" that is able to use corporal punishment, it should also be known that most of those parents who has these kids are barely making 35 years old in menial labor jobs if they have one...

With all these things hitting youtube (and other video services) let me ask...

should people who film these fights be held accountable ?

should sites that host videos of said fights also be held accountable for thier proliferation?

On what theory?

Kevin I am looking at it like this...

If this was caught discreetly to be used to HELP law enforcement catch a criminal act (a La Rodney King) that is one thing....but this clearly here is a case where these students did this to 1) boost thier own rep) and 2) humiliate the teacher....

In my eyes, the one filming as well as those who stood around and watched this teacher being beaten are no better than the one actually commiting the act itself....


Guilty by association.

How would you feel if someone beat you while others literally stood by did nothing and caught it on film for public exhibition on youtube?

Tell me you don't think that this should go unpunished?

Unless you can show there's a special relationship between the parties, then the student has no duty to protect his teacher.

uuhhh...someone getting the snot beaten out of them and you are standing right there in a position to help means you have to have a special relationship with them as opposed to filming it for five mins of fame?




wow.

OK

I suggested that she sue the principal; I don't know if someone else suggested suing the kid.

Especially if they were lying about the data so that people didn't know how dangerous the school was, perhaps there's a case there.

You assume much and so little.

Hmm...the Columbine killers' parents had money and look how they turned out.

So...what was the point of that lil' statement there...bud?

Columbine is one thing. That was remarkable because it was one of those rare "this can happen to you too" moments. Had Columbine happened at an inner-city school in Baltimore, it'd hardly be news.

An impoverished inner-city school which is near the breaking point is quite another. I assume as much because my assumption is more likely accurate than not. If the kid's parents were hard working, good folks, the kid would have respect for the teacher and would probably not be going to that school.

I'm thinking the school district -- they have money and they are responsible for creating an unsafe work environment.

My younger brother works in a school like this -- they have lots of security and the teachers are never alone with the students.

Yep. That's the law.

Kevin, I went to Baltimore public schools...my parents were not on welfare.

I also taught in that SAME school system and the MAJORITY of kids I taught had parents who WORKED.

I have a neice who goes to public school also in Baltimore...A student...mom is not on welfare nor does she have multiple babies or whatever your 'ass - u' mption tends to be about this child and her situation...because geuess what...

YOU...DON'T...KNOW
-what that child's situation is
-what her parents do

Hardly would have been news?

Hmmm I guess you musta snoozed through the shooting in Ohio back in October of 07

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/10/cle...ing/index.html

May not have been as massive as Columbine but not newsworthy? Heh.

Stop thinking like a lwayer for a minute and use some common sense...has it ever really occured to you to sometimes put yourself in someone else's place?



Ahhhh...I forget....some in your profession have no souls....

Get a grip. Did I ever say I knew? I said "more than likely."

Given the fact that the students in the classroom found an assault on a teacher to be okay means that they have no respect for others or their own education. So yes, I'm going to assume the parents are pieces of crap as well as their children.

YOU...DON'T...KNOW

Times like this I have to remind myself as to who and what I am addressing when you and I have these types of convos ...I think back to the Jena 6 thread and then I remember....so before this devolves any further and I have to check you and your ilk for your 'assumptions', I am stepping away from addressing you further.


it would be very wise that you do the same...with the amount of school teachers that are on this board...you are about to step on some toes...

Did you, or your friends, ever beat up a teacher? Because I kind of think you inadvertently supported his point.


So what you're saying is that it made the news, but in nowhere near the same fashion . . . I'd never heard of this before this link, and it wasn't plastered everywhere. Again, I think you kind of inadvertently proved his point.

I'm just saying - this issue isn't as slanted as you're portraying it, I don't think.

I come from an upper middle class family. I know that my parents were hard working, good folks. Didn't stop my jerk of an older brother from not respecting his continuous school teacher and spitting in his face during a verbal fight. I also know that I made it through school on the honor roll and had a lot of respect for my teachers. Not sure my parents' style of parenting us had anything to do with our actions towards our teachers as much as personal choices did.

I'll bet that the Baltimore Sun didn't write an article full of excuses for the kid after that happened. What will be most telling will be the action of the parent here. So far, nothing but silence on that front.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/edu...,2400928.story

Maybe you missed but he said: Had Columbine happened at an inner-city school in Baltimore, it'd hardly be news.


Like a school shooting in an inner city school on that level would not have been paid any notice.... WTF man?

so...13 dead....25 to 25 more wounded in inner city schools must happen often enough that no one would notice....


Mmmkay....

My POINT as it were, was, not to ASSUME that the child has crappy parents and is on welfare and that contributed to her beating the teacher up.

None of us has any idea what kind of home life that she has nor can you accurately pinpoint what it was that lead her to that...so stop reaching until it becomes known!

Like someone said before, that child may be one way at home and totally different in school...not to mention different depending on what teacher they are around.

- You can't garnish welfare checks.
-So yes, I'm going to assume the parents are pieces of crap as well as their children.

When you say things like this, you have already stereotyped and judged someone before you have any hard evidence of what you are dealing with based on one isolated act (and not so subtly 'other' environmental factors...). Kevin, 'practicing' law (WTF they call it practicing anyways???...heh!) should know better.


That is why the school board is.....taaaddaaaa...IN - VEST - I - GA - TING

Silence as far as the media sees it...but I am willing to bet that the parents are far from....heh.


SO Kevin...for what it's worth....why do you assume that the child's parents are on welfare?

The school has been declared to be (or should be) one where there is a high risk of violence. Those types of schools usually cater to a certain clientelle.

The chances run in my favor.

What kind of clientele, Kevin?

Are you saying that based on the school she goes to automatically says that she is on welfare?

Maybe the fact that there have been 112 acts of violence on teachers has increased in Baltimore (and I believe that is regardless of school) doens't make it a bit of difference or perhaps the fact that school system has (in the 20+ years since I graduated) has become very lax in disciplining unruly kids doesn't make a difference either...so please...how do we ASSUME that this child is in a family on welfare?


I wonder....the 3rd graders that plotted to kill thier teacher a few weeks back....I guess they were really dirt poor....hmmm...maybe the girls on the youtube video from the thread accompanying this one....they must be on welfare and living either in the ghetto or a trailer park huh?

Based on all this bad behavior coming from these school kids...they must be some seriously poor kids......right counselor?

Low-income, hence the welfare.

I did the research -- according to greatschools.com, the student body is 44% eligible for free or reduced lunch prices.

Here are the two reviews posted regarding the school:



They have a whopping 7% of their kids passing the state biology exam, 13% for algebra.

We're all a little flipping naive here if we refuse to believe that any middle-class or even working-class parent with an ounce of sense would not fight TOOTH AND NAIL to keep their kid out of a school that was marked by the state to be a hotbed of urban violence. Let's not be so PC-kumbaya.