The Hazing Tradition
 

It may come as a surprise to many of you to find out that the Greek system was implemented by Luciferians. Luciferians believe in the destruction of ignorance and innocence and the fostering of wisdom and knowledge. Some of the things that fraternities and sororities do are directly related to the ancient mysteries and the worship of wisdom. College campuses mean a great deal to Luciferians as it is here that we wage the biggest part of our war on ignorance and try and enlighten our future generations.

You may be young right now and not know the full implications of all this but I have to tell you that Hazing is part of the Luciferian wisdom tradition. It is designed to introduce the initiate to a certain dosage of cruelty in order to begin a process in which innocence is lost and the first step on the path to wisdom is taken. It is also designed to help the initiate to "fit in" and find a deeper fraternity with his brothers and sisters.

You will be hearing a lot from the anti-hazing lobby at the moment and I invite you to visit my blog if you would like to find out a little more about the connection between your various fraternities and sororities and the worship of wisdom or Lucifer. http://blog.myspace.com/williamsheraton

We don't have to just roll over to the anti-hazing lobby. What we do is far greater than any of those people understand. If you would like more information you are welcome to contact me at my Myspace profile.

Best wishes and respect to everyone and good luck with your studies!

Kind Regards,
William Sheraton

The Hazing Tradition
 

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-- The management.

Spammer?

The devil is a liar.

I imagine this is what's on his iPod: http://www.earvolution.com/2006/06/t...evil-songs.asp
(LOL at the Debbie Boone reference at the end)


ETA: And Bill (btw, I like how your initials are "BS"), your posts are anything but "relevant". Fodder for entertainment, sure. But relevant? Uh, no.

My thought exactly...he also is suffering from the misperception that many people have about hazing being a part of initiation, which isn't true.

Initiation is the actual ritual, enrollment, or ceremony prospective members go through to become actual members of the society. I don't know of ANY actual fraternal rituals that contain hazing in them.

Hazing could be defined as the process prospective members could endure in order to "earn" the right to participate in the initiation ceremony.

They are different, but very few people outside the system understand the distinctions between the two. And thankfully, it is the minority of chapters that engage in hazing. The downside is the outside perception is that it is rampant.

My computer is now possessed. Paranormal thread?

LOL. Mod, we need a thread merge! ;)

Really or is this just a PR move? Is this statement based on something substantive or just wishful thinking?

Or a lock-down.

Maybe you would like to discuss my misconceptions with me :) Do not be so quick to judge as you may find that the egg will stick. As for evil... well no that is just an ignorant and uninformed point of view. It is you who is suffering from the misconception that the initiation ritual is the only process in initiation. It is also incorrect to assume that there is no hazing during initiation rituals, initiation rituals are part of the process. Do not forget that the fraternities are only the first step on the ladder of initiation and depending on where you stand on that ladder, you may yet have a lot to learn. Fraternities and sororities that don't haze are inferior in that they do less to develop the individual. There is a huge push on at the moment to eradicate hazing and this is not a good thing.

Your opinion that I know nothing about fraternities and that I am talking bs as you say is quite frankly a little presumptious :)

Kind Regards,
William Sheraton

Nice bit on YouTube "Rev. William Sheraton"
http://youtube.com/williamsheraton
And this is even better: http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board...eemasonrywatch
http://www.dailymotion.com/cluster/p...truth_politics

I don't know where to post this, but here is just as good a place as anywhere else I guess.

My son is a Boy Scout and the Order of the Arrow came to talk at his Boy Scout meeting because it was time for elections into it. There was a video that was played where they talked about what Order of the Arrow is and about the Ordeal that the kids go through in order to join. During the Ordeal, they must sleep alone outdoors, go a full day without talking while doing service and then there is an initiation type ceremony. They said in this video, very specifically "This is not hazing and we do not haze. This is not like a fraternity initiation with hazing..."

This bothered me on two levels because 1) Everything they do that weekend would be considered hazing by most NIC groups and 2) How dare they imply that all fraternity initiations involve hazing?

Anyway, just wanted to vent with that.

http://www.luciferian.org/index.php?col=modluc

That was the most "say everything without saying anything" site I have seen in a while.

You've honed the whole "individual" thing quite well and it makes sense that you believe what you do about hazing based on your Luciferianism. So hazing helps with that sense of "Utopia?" That's a pleasant experience.

Mr. Sheraton,

I really do appreciate you coming here to share your point of view. If you're here to initiate and participate in a civilized discussion regarding your theory, that's just fine. If you're here to promote your blog, that's spam (which will be dealt with).

First off, hazing occurs in the minority of our chapters. It is not, as far as I know, part of anyone's official ritual.

As for the "loss of innocence," and "cruelty," I invite you to substantiate your as yet baseless allegations. As to how I and many here are "Luciferians," also, feel free to substantiate that.

Do that here, without links to your blog.

I am not makng allegations but merely pointing out a fact. The idea that to lose one's innocence is somehow something "terrible" is very prevalent in today's society and most major religions. It is this desire to protect innocence that is at the heart of the anti-hazing lobby whether those involved realise it or not. This desire is often subconscious and stems from years of religious and societal moral programming. The very fact tht you use the term allegation means that you are afraid of this accusation when really you should be standing up to outside pressure.

The problem that we have here is that colleges and universities are designed to destroy ignorance which is the opposite of knowledge and innocence which is the opposite of wisdom. If you study history you will find that it is full of people who want to stop this process and if you let them get too involved in Greek politics they will try and water down the system. You will always find these people standing up and shouting about the arts and sciences, especially religious and "politically correct" people.

So what is the point of hazing? A long time ago adepts realised that those who were likely to go to college and university tended to come from a more sheltered background. These sheltered youngsters were very innocent because they had not received the kind of hard knocks and lessons that life doles out. Basically many had not come up against the destructive forces of nature or the dark side of human nature. The institution of hazing was introduced in order to cause these youngsters to have to meet this dark side face to face. It is important for those who will play a key role in society to have witnessed human cruelty full on in order to better know themselves and others. Initially these systems were only introduced to form the future elite but eventually other copy cat fraternities were born and this developed into what is known today as the Greek system. Hazing destroys a certain innocence within the individual which is why some feeble individuals find it so traumatizing. We must not however allow the weak to dictate to the strong in this case as we are talking about the development of wisdom and knowledge and even statecraft.

Kind Regards,
William

Interesting stuff William. Interesting, but there are other, more widely accepted historical versions of the picture you're painting. Hazing in the U.S. traces back to as early as 1657. I don't think it was so much to "remove innocence" as you put it, but hazing is and was a tool to assimilate young people of various backgrounds into the university system, build loyalty, teach respect and hierarchy, etc.

I wouldn't say that it's being removed is purely a "politically correct" move, but rather a response to the fact that hazing accidents, injuries and deaths create monetary liability. Recent legislative endeavors have also rendered hazing criminal in many cases.

As for the word "allege," I'm a law student at the moment. The words I choose are probably not those a "normal" human being would choose.

I'd like to hear more about the Luciferians. Are you saying that academia, and through it, the greek system is satanic? You can't just go around saying Luciferians are behind something without explaining who those folks are.

An explanation for the mess above:

I meant to "Merge" those posts into this thread. Apparently, the "Merge" function doesn't mean merge into a thread, but rather merge into a post. So if you posted in that thread, you will find your words now attributed to Mr. Sheraton.

At any rate, I found the right function and moved the posts over here (or merged them or whatever).

So my apologies, I hope you all can make sense of things.

1657
 

I apologise for misunderstanding you.

That's interesting that you have records showing that hazing was already practiced in 1657. How many fraternities were there back then? I guess that the percentage of fraternities that practiced hazing at the time must have been significantly higher back then no? ;)

I am fully aware of all the functions of hazing including it's function in fostering loyalty, teaching respect and hierarchy, etc. All of these things are necessary for a civilisation like ours to flourish and progress.

Hazing actually goes right back to the beginnings of civilisation when man first began to discover what we call the arts and sciences. The different professions we needed for a civilisation to function were taught by what we now call the mystery schools. All the things you learn today such as law, history, maths etc. were all taught by the mystery schools in early civilisations. Along with this instruction, man also received spiritual instruction. Not the kind you get in church but real instruction into the mysteries.

Now you ask me if Universities and thus the Greek system are "Satanic". This is an interesting question. Universities are half of the modern day equivalent of the mystery schools, fraternal orders are the other half. It all really depends on what you call Satanic.

To a Luciferian darkness is ignorance and innocence. To many religions darkness is knowledge and wisdom. That is why scientists and artists don't get on very well with the Priestcraft even today where current progress in Genetics is hotly debated and artists such as Eminem and Marilyn Manson are picketed by zealots.

If you sit and think about knowledge and wisdom it can get quite interesting. Absolute wisdom and knowledge is absolute lack of innocence and ignorance. Therefore to achieve these two things absolutely you would need to learn everything that is possible and to have absolutely every experience that is possible. Of course this is impossible. What is not impossible is to currently strive to gain wisdom and knowledge through experience and learning. Now weak people are afraid of wisdom because they are afraid of the unknown and new experiences. The snake of wisdom is constantly labouring to destroy the lamb of innocence. Strong humans beings are wired to enjoy the destruction of innocence either their own or others. Weak and fearful humans are afraid of this force and invent all sorts of righteous dogmas in order to have an excuse to combat it and maintain as many humans as possible in a state of ignorance and innocence. The house arrest of Gallileo is a good example of this.

So... Is wisdom dark because it seeks to destroy innocence or is innocence dark because it allows humans to be manipulated by Pontiffs and Tyrants? To the Luciferian it is innocence that represents the dark force and wisdom the light.

Human myth and tradition tells us of a lightbearer who brought the knowledge of good and evil, the arts and sciences and wisdom to man. This is the snake in the garden of Eden who inspired the line of Cain (builder of the first city) (this is symbolic by the way). In Babylonian myth the entity who brought wisdom and the arts and sciences is called Oannes or John. I don't want to pimp my blog but you can read more about it there as I don-t have the time to entirely repeat myself.

So to me, a Luciferian, Universities and the Greek system are the opposite of Satanic. But , to an informed Christian the Greek system is Satanic as are all fraternal orders that practice the wisdom or Luciferian tradition.

To finish off. Hazing is important because it allows the individual to experience what quite honestly is intensive abuse and cruelty from a group of individuals. It is unlikely that he will ever get a chance to have this experience again in life unless he joins the army or ends up in prison etc. As you mentioned before this experience also teaches him the denial of the self which is an important spiritual experience as well as helping him conform better to the institutions he is about to belong to. It is also a good idea for him to experience this as a young person because you need to be physically fit for some of the trials and tribulations.

As I said before. Don't just role over for the politically correct crowd. Think about it first. And if we have to be secret again then we will be secret. We have done it before ;)

Kind Regards,
William Sheraton :)

I find this discussion kind of interesting, honestly.

I along with others are not really sure about what you are even talking about?

First off you typo worse than I do and that is because of physical problems not intelligence.

Evidently, you have no clue about Social Greek Organizations when you refer to the date of 1657 if that was what your refering to.

If I am guessing, you are full of self importance and do not have a clue of what you are talking about.

You are talking with "some" very knowledgeable people on this site.

You do not seem to be one of them.:rolleyes:

Very cromulent observations, sir!

The 1657 reference came from me. I was referring to records of hazing at Harvard college. It's well documented stuff.

At any rate, my observation is that he's trying to compare his religion, or view of a religion, that being Satanism or Luciferianism or some sort of 'ism to Greek culture. He is objecting to the removal of hazing because according to his belief system, hazing is a good thing because it helps us to grow as people, mature, become "enlightened."

I think some of his observations are probably accurate. Despite what we say these days, hazing in its many forms can be used as a great tool for team building, helping people mature, teaching respect, loyalty, etc. That said, he claims the "P.C." crowd has urged the death of hazing.

The trouble I have with this is that really, the reason our various organizations have begun to shun hazing has nothing to do with what is right or wrong. In most cases, the older ladies and gentlemen who are urging the removal of these old traditions were recipients of hazing themselves.

The truth of the matter is that it's a business decision. Our leaders understand that left to their own devices, our collegiate members would eventually cause enough bad things to happen that we'd be sued into non-existence. You can't maintain an organization with 200 chapters and maybe 40 or 50-thousand active members without taking some serious steps to make sure that everyone is safe.

We have a lot of assets, we are a big target, and in the court of public opinion, due to perceptions that we do haze and do commit dangerous acts, we're an easy target for a jury.

Our leadership has had to ask itself whether we'd prefer to have tradition or whether we'd prefer to cease to exist. Having chosen the later, here we are. That's not to say that choosing alternative programs to hazing is a choice which wasn't made because everyone thinks it's nice to be nice to the nice, I'm sure that played a role, but without the money issue, we never would have arrived at that crossroads.

We are where we are. Eventually, hazing will be a memory. The organizations which survive and thrive will have to come up with effective programming to replace those old traditions. Most large nationals have. It's only a matter of time until that's all that's left.

Co-Sign. Very well posted and said.

> I think some of his observations are probably accurate. Despite what we say these days, hazing in its many forms can be used as a great tool for team building, helping people mature, teaching respect, loyalty, etc.

> The organizations which survive and thrive will have to come up with effective programming to replace those old traditions. Most large nationals have. It's only a matter of time until that's all that's left.

Well said, Kevin.

Are these guys Luciferian?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdaRu...eature=related

Very well stated and very good point (bolded).

I understand your point of view that it s all about money. Personally I don't agree 100% although I can see some truth in what you are saying. It s a bit like saying we are in Afghanistan for oil alone.

Anyway thanks for letting me have my say. For those of you who think I'm nuts or full of bs, don't be too sure of yourselves ;) Delve delve delve and who knows what you may find out...

Kind Regards,
William

Not to burst everyone's perfect little bubble, but the OP is at least half correct The F.H.C. Society and Phi Beta Kappa (the first two secret societies @ a college) were founded, so that they could talk about issues that weren't allowed to be discussed on campus. The students would meet at taverns to talk about controversial topics. They frequently had to move their meeting place as if they were caught by faculty they would have been kicked out of the college.

Unlike today, where being apart of a sorority or fraternity is about the prestige and is based in some places on how much your family makes, the clothes you wear, and where you vacation.

Secret Societies went against what society believed was acceptable which was why they were underground and "secret societies". To say that the organizations stand for the same thing as when they were founded is definently not realistic. You didn't have rush parties way back when you got a letter inviting you to join the organization the sisters picked you. Sisters didn't have to go around and say "rush ABC."

... I've never found any information to suggest that the secret societies hazed new members when they were founded, but I wouldn't be shocked if I ever came across stories like that, although things were alot more secretive back then and people didn't talk about what happened behind closed doors.

I disagree about hazing one day being a memory. It will always exist, at least in the south because alumni actually WILL cut off funding if the fraternity changes rituals or traditions.

Perhaps that maybe the case.
But which would be worse: The threat of some Alumni cutting off "funding" or National and/or school shutting them down????

The thing is -- most organizations have already started to take that ability away from alumni. For large, established chapters, alumni donations aren't turned around and used immediately. Often, for tax reasons, that money goes into a 501(c)(3) trust which is overseen by either your national, or a board of alumni directors with oversight from national. I'm working on organizing one such fund for my chapter right now. It's good stuff.

Even if your national doesn't control the funds in your foundation, the alumni who run the board still have a fiduciary duty as to the use of those funds. Refusing to disburse funds because the chapter refuses to engage in illegal activities, I'm afraid is not a valid use of that authority. In fact, if what you say came to pass, that sort of behavior on the alums' part could actually be enough for a plaintiff to reach them personally.

Now you can go underground or whatever, but how long would something like that be viable?

You're assuming that one of these will always happen but usually neither one happens.

I just don't see southern fraternities giving away that power to nationals, most of us do not care for nationals.

And most of our alumni hate nationals. We have very few that give to the national organization and hundreds that give to the fraternity itself.

Have you seen the postings in RM section?
Seems as if closing do take place.
And those are the ones that are posted here.

I really do not know just who is more correct here.
Or is it some combination?

At schools I've never heard of, by fraternities I've rarely heard of.

Exactly... ATO got booted here after an entire decade of being complete morons, it takes a lot for a good fraternity to get in trouble here. Even then its usually just a clean out.

EW, that is a rather easy comment to say when, to the best of my knowledge, you have yet to indicate where you go to school and just what GLO you are a member of.
And if you have, I am sorry that I forgot and please remind me.
After all, I can say that when I was in school, there were many schools I never heard of at that time and many GLO's that I never heard of either. And many chapters of my own Fraternity that I never had any dealings with.
And just because I never heard of them, I guess nothing ever happened there.
However, as I was active in Fraternal activities that occurred outside of my Chapter, I became aware of matters going on elsewhere.
And on the other hand there were activities that happened on my rather small campus, including within the Greek system, that I had no knowledge of until years later.

I go to the University of Arkansas.

I've indicated this repetitively.

You know, show me when DKE or SAE at Alabama get busted. Phi Delt or Sigma Nu at Ole Miss. DKE at Yale. Strong chapters. I'm not saying any of these haze though I have a good idea, but show me a strong chapter that nationals even thinks of threatening. Some of these chapters would have to sacrifice three pledges on the front steps of the nationals building to be thought about bringing up.

When I have the time to look around , I will.
I do ask that you look around for evidence of what you said as well.

Bro, I gotta agree with them on this.

You are right, chapters do get shut down in the South, sure.......but you have to take into account which chapters.

I can almost promise you that there are some chapters at quite a few different schools in Texas and the Southeast that will never be shut down, barring a complete and utter catastrophe or some kind of insanely serious circumstance. I could tell you things that I have seen and witnessed that would get a chapter in other places shut down without a second thought........but it really isn't appropriate to do that on an open message board.

Exactly... it used to be ATO here until last year when one of their powerful alumni's son (a hemophiliac) was forced to crawl across broken glass and got cut up really bad. Daddy saw it and was unhappy and Daddy happened to be having lunch with the University President (a Phi Delt) later that day. Whats funny is they are underground and will be back on campus either next year or the year after.

Major chapters will not be touched by their nationals down here.

Brother, I am not even going to try nor do I even wish to fight with you about this one. However please note my high-lights of yours and note following quote from another poster.
From from my POV, experience etal , if something keeps going on at some point in time and place S**t happens. And when that happens, no one is going to be around to hold hands. More likely they will be pointing with one hand while trying to hold their nose and wallet at the same time.
And nothing is as secret as a college student may think it is.

No you're right, nothing is as secret as we all think.......that's what makes it even more incredible that nothing happens. Everyone knows but some of the chapters in question incur zero consequences.

The story PhiGam posted is a pretty good example of how much it takes to bring the house down, in my opinion. I mean....a hemophiliac getting cut up badly could spell death if I'm not mistaken......pretty serious.

Jon... the thing is that it is NOT secret at all. I can tell you when every fraternity at FSU's hell week is, I have seen pledges running around campus at 3am in sharps, I have seen pledges lined up doing push ups in the middle of campus. Every sorority girl has has received a lovely 2am serenade from an entire pledge class. Hazing is, for the most part, accepted here so long as nothing happens that seriously endangers the life of a pledge.
Just going to reiterate that my chapter does not haze though, we are the only one.

From the article about Pike's hazing allegations at UT:

I really don't see how anything that a person willingly wants to do can be considered hazing.

I could construe the legal definition to say that my professors are hazing me by assigning papers.

:)

Only if you are supposedly in pursuit of the organization known as "students without Fs." Plus, the papers your professors assign you are course requirements and even rites of passage that are well documented, just like the formal requirements and rites of passage for your fraternity are.

It is also a good thing that consent is not a legal defense because that angle has been attempted over and over again throughout the years. So the laws have been updated accordingly.

This is my biggest problem with hazing laws.

Hm, so Bob, says go ahead, paddle me, make me overly drink, stuff my mouth with unthinkable things, over do physical workouts then it is alright?:o:rolleyes:

Absolutely as long as he wants to join the organization.

If he doesn't want to join it, no one's forcing him to.

Well, another hazing thread brings us full circle. :)

As has been said in other threads, these hazing laws are thankfully not about personal opinion or perceptions of "common sense."

Thankfully, the defense of "she/he asked to be paddled to a pulp and to flatline on a hospital bed...she/he REALLY wanted to be in XYZ" doesn't hold up in court.