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HONKY660 04-04-2008 02:58 AM

Wacky article involving members of LCA at Tenn-Chatt.
 
I read this stupid article about two Lambda Chi Alpha members running for student government at the University of Tennessee-Chattanooga, it uses Lambda Chi's ideals as a tool not to vote for these guys.

http://www.utcecho.com/home/news/200...-3299042.shtml

GammaZeta 04-04-2008 06:17 AM

Someone attending college actually wrote that article?

You think that is "wacky", come spend a day with my in Amherst.

This week's Amherst controversy is the town allowing anti-war and anti-military marchers and floats in the Memorial Day parade.

Let me say that again: This week's Amherst controversy is the town allowing anti-war and ANTI-MILITARY marchers and floats in the MEMORIAL DAY parade.

33girl 04-04-2008 10:12 AM

I'm sorry but I just have to crash because this is something that grates on my nerves.

Just because you follow what have come to be known as "Christian values" (i.e. love for your fellow man, do unto others, etc) does not mean you believe in Christ or are a practicing Christian, or are against people who aren't Christian. My ex practiced more "Christian values" than most people I've met, and he's an atheist.

Tom Earp 04-04-2008 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1629222)
I'm sorry but I just have to crash because this is something that grates on my nerves.

Just because you follow what have come to be known as "Christian values" (i.e. love for your fellow man, do unto others, etc) does not mean you believe in Christ or are a practicing Christian, or are against people who aren't Christian. My ex practiced more "Christian values" than most people I've met, and he's an atheist.

I was wondering what this has to do with the article that was presented here?

Your beliefs in the Christian priciples are outstanding of course and no one cares about what your exes were all about.

33girl 04-04-2008 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1629345)
I was wondering what this has to do with the article that was presented here?

Your beliefs in the Christian priciples are outstanding of course and no one cares about what your exes were all about.

Tom, read the article.

They are implying that since the people who are running for office are both from GLOs that mention "Christian ideals" non-Christians will not be represented or able to voice their views. I am pointing out that just because you follow "Christian values" does not automatically mean you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Savior. And even if you do, doesn't mean you can't reprensent Jews, Muslims, etc etc.

NutBrnHair 04-04-2008 02:25 PM

Interesting!
 
According to the Web site, www.lambdachi.org, one of the reasons Lambda Chi Alpha was formed was, "to foster a high Christian standard of life and ideals."

If the highest-ranking officers of SGA are both from this fraternity, non-Christian UTC students could feel alienated by the very people who would claim to represent them.

Marczynski is a member of Chi Omega, and according to the Web site nm.chiomega.com, "Our members recognize the efforts and enlightenment of the Greek world, and they strive to uphold the values of a Judeo-Christian lifestyle."

This is certainly a more inclusive statement than the one on Lambda Chi Alpha's Web site.


GO SARAH!

JonoBN41 04-04-2008 03:58 PM

That's a damned stupid editorial all the way through. To draw a sharp line of distinction between a Christian standard and a Judeo-Christian lifestyle is rather silly, not to mention saying two Lambda Chis would both help and hurt the fraternity, and, "One of the most encouraging aspects of our current SGA leadership is our vice-president, Drew Holland, is not a member of any Greek organizations." So vote for the Chi Omega.

None of it makes any sense, but hey, they're just starting out.

Tom Earp 04-04-2008 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1629360)
Tom, read the article.

They are implying that since the people who are running for office are both from GLOs that mention "Christian ideals" non-Christians will not be represented or able to voice their views. I am pointing out that just because you follow "Christian values" does not automatically mean you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Savior. And even if you do, doesn't mean you can't reprensent Jews, Muslims, etc etc.



I am Sorry, but did we read the same article?

Your stretch for posting on this thread seems to be only a way to stir things up as you usually do on GC.

As Jono said, it paraphraing leaves a lot of openess and you seem to be picking at something that is not there.

NutbrnHair, you do also bring up a good point and only whats her face brings up something wih no relationship to anything but to start a problem in a thread she does not need to be in.

But, she does seem to have a way to do that?

LXA was Founded on Christian Principles, but we as not only a International Fraternity, accept members from all races and relegions.

33GIRL seems to have a different adgenda for posting this and only she knows why.

Never mind, I know why!:mad:

JonoBN41 04-04-2008 04:33 PM

TOM!

You will behave as a gentleman on this forum or I will ask you not to post as a member of Lambda Chi Alpha.

33girl 04-04-2008 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1629423)
LXA was Founded on Christian Principles, but we as not only a International Fraternity, accept members from all races and relegions.

Tom,

That's exactly what I said.

PLEASE read the article before you criticize me for something I didn't say. I am not trying to "stir anything up" - as a matter of fact, I posted to show SUPPORT for your brothers at UT-Chattanooga, as I would for any other Greek who was targeted by such a ridiculous article.

If anything, NBH is the one you should be angry with, as she is the one advocating voting (for what seem to be suspect reasons) for one of her sisters and not for one of your brothers. In your forum.

:confused:

DSTCHAOS 04-04-2008 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1629423)
whats her face


This cracked me up.

Tom Earp, what 33girl is saying is a response to a point the article brought up regarding whether or not these two men can represent the student body (and whether "Christian values" are truly exclusive to Christians). And the Christian vs. Judeo-Christian distinction that was made is rather silly.

*****

I think this issue is ridiculous. It would cause an uproar if students were warned not to vote for a Muslim, Hindu, atheists, etc. because non-Muslims, etc. could be alienated.

The GLO membership for all the candidates is a better leg to stand on only if there is the potential to use offices to benefit GLOs rather than serve the student body. But for the most part I see this editorial as an attempt to draw attention to minute things as to distract from the real concerns. Kind of like the Presidential Campaigns.

jwright25 04-04-2008 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1629423)
Your stretch for posting on this thread seems to be only a way to stir things up as you usually do on GC.

33GIRL seems to have a different adgenda for posting this and only she knows why.

I interpreted 33girl's post as a (valid) criticism of the article. Not as anything inflammatory or trouble-seeking. The OP criticized the article as well, so 33 is quite on topic - right?

Not that I agree or disagree with her particular post, but it seems like NutBrnHair's posting "Go Sarah" when Sarah is running against a Lambda Chi Alpha would be more along the lines of "stirring things up" in the LXA forum, yet you praise her post.

NutBrnHair 04-04-2008 04:47 PM

Oh, please!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1629436)
If anything, NBH is the one you should be angry with, as she is the one advocating voting (for what seem to be suspect reasons) for one of her sisters and not for one of your brothers. In your forum.

:confused:

I'm for Sarah because I know Sarah.

"suspect reasons" :confused:

NutBrnHair 04-04-2008 04:49 PM

I have always been welcomed in the Lambda Chi Forum. These guys know I like them. I am not trying to stir anything up.

33girl 04-04-2008 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 1629439)
I'm for Sarah because I know Sarah.

"suspect reasons" :confused:

Suspect = I thought you agreed with the premise of the article (i.e. that people should vote for her because Chi O has "Judeo Christian ideals" as opposed to LXA's "Christian ideals"). I had no clue you knew this young woman personally. Adding that information would have been helpful.

DSTCHAOS 04-04-2008 04:53 PM

I also thought she was supporting the premise of the article because she quoted it.

But I guess she quoted it in reference to Chi O and Sarah. Good luck to all of these candidates and let the best person win, ignoring all the silly diversion tactics.

NutBrnHair 04-04-2008 04:53 PM

No, if anything I hope the crazy campus paper's editorial endorsement won't hurt her chances!

Cube TX 04-07-2008 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GammaZeta (Post 1629157)
Someone attending college actually wrote that article?

You think that is "wacky", come spend a day with my in Amherst.

This week's Amherst controversy is the town allowing anti-war and anti-military marchers and floats in the Memorial Day parade.

Let me say that again: This week's Amherst controversy is the town allowing anti-war and ANTI-MILITARY marchers and floats in the MEMORIAL DAY parade.

Sheesh... that's like allowing the Rev. Fred Phelps to take part in a gay pride parade!

Cube TX 04-07-2008 07:04 PM

What a stupid article. Don't vote for these two guys because they're members of the same organization! Oh no! Next thing you know the president AND vice-president of the United States of America will both be from the SAME PARTY!

Hey, maybe someone should have stepped up and ran against the brother who is running UNOPPOSED. To say that the beliefs stated on the international fraternity website suggest that non-Christian students will feel alienated is ridiculous. For all we know the Chi Omega candidate (and Chi Omega is an organization I have much respect for) is a Christian herself. Who wrote this article? The ACLU people who protested the boy scouts from meeting in parks, but supported the American Nazi Party's right to do the same?

Tom Earp 04-08-2008 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cube TX (Post 1630585)
What a stupid article. Don't vote for these two guys because they're members of the same organization! Oh no! Next thing you know the president AND vice-president of the United States of America will both be from the SAME PARTY!

Hey, maybe someone should have stepped up and ran against the brother who is running UNOPPOSED. To say that the beliefs stated on the international fraternity website suggest that non-Christian students will feel alienated is ridiculous. For all we know the Chi Omega candidate (and Chi Omega is an organization I have much respect for) is a Christian herself. Who wrote this article? The ACLU people who protested the boy scouts from meeting in parks, but supported the American Nazi Party's right to do the same?

Thank you, now can we get back to something to do with LXA!

Nutbrnhair as you said, YOU are always welcome!:cool:

DSTCHAOS 04-08-2008 03:19 PM

Don't be passive aggressive, Tom Earp.

Everyone's always welcome until forums become invite only. ;)

Tom Earp 04-08-2008 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1631111)
Don't be passive aggressive, Tom Earp.

Everyone's always welcome until forums become invite only. ;)

You are correct, but it would be nice if others felt the same way?

Right?

Can you actually deny that?

DSTCHAOS 04-08-2008 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1631173)
You are correct, but it would be nice if others felt the same way?

Right?

Can you actually deny that?

Good news, we all agreed that this is a wacky article. :)

Tom Earp 04-08-2008 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1631176)
Good news, we all agreed that this is a wacky article. :)

TRUE!:)

But, it seemed to be a big topic to some who are not members of LXA, or was I wrong?

Cube TX 04-08-2008 10:41 PM

Very true, but as a Lambda Chi Alpha myself I wasn't too happy reading an article that came across as derogatory toward an organization I love.

boz130 04-08-2008 11:19 PM

Guys: As has already been pointed out, this was an editorial, not a news piece. By its very nature, it's meant to be subjective. At various schools it's SOP to have non-Greeks cover the GLOs so that there won't be any favoritism.

While having someone outside of the Greek realm covering the fraternity/sorority beat makes sense, it can be a detriment because they don't understand how our organizations work. In this case, they don't realize that we're already acquainted w/how a governing body works and might actually have a clue on how to handle political situations.

ZetaPhi708 04-11-2008 12:14 AM

Brothers Stuart and Forrest won in their respective races.

http://www.utcecho.com/

Tom Earp 04-11-2008 12:42 PM

Guess the proof was in the pudding.:)

Cube TX 04-11-2008 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZetaPhi708 (Post 1632486)
Brothers Stuart and Forrest won in their respective races.

http://www.utcecho.com/


Ha! Congratulations to our brothers at UT-Chattanooga!


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