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jon1856 04-02-2008 12:21 AM

Nine-year-olds in U.S. plotted to tie up and hurt teacher
 
I first heard of this as a teaster on a local news show and I thought to myself that I had heard it wrong.
What is this world coming too?!?!?!?!?!
Nine-year-olds in U.S. plotted to tie up and hurt teacher
ATLANTA (Reuters) - Nine-year-olds at a school in the U.S. state of Georgia brought a broken steak knife, handcuffs and electrical tape to school in a plot to injure their teacher, authorities said on Tuesday.
Teachers at Center Elementary School in Waycross, Georgia, uncovered the plot on Friday when a pupil reported that a child in the third grade had brought a weapon into the school.
"The plan was to handcuff the teacher, put tape over her mouth and hit her over the head with the paperweight and possibly cut her," said Lt. Duane Caswell of Waycross police, adding that some students said the knife was simply there to cut the tape.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...e=domesticNews

AKA_Monet 04-02-2008 02:00 AM

On the news, it was also reported that each kid had an objective, including on the wipes up the blood...

I don't know what to do with these kids who think that way... One cannot really lock them up, you cannot beat them within an inch of their life...

But, you can take them to autopsy and make them wipe up the gunshot wounds... Make them do rounds all day...

Take them to the slaughterhouse to clean up after butchering the foodstuffs...

Apparently they learned hurting another human being some kind of way and were allowed to think that that thinking was okay...

Scandia 04-02-2008 07:07 AM

I'm in disbelief. How could they dislike a teacher so much? If they were intelligent enough to come up with a plot that involved different roles and labor division, they are also intelligent enough to understand the consequences.

carnation 04-02-2008 07:35 AM

The principal seemed to be in denial. In an article in our paper, he was saying that the kids were in special ed classes but too intelligent to do that (hey mister, sounds like they were really going to do it) and that they were good kids. Maybe some of them were roped into it but it seems that there were a few bad apples in the bunch,

jon1856 04-02-2008 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carnation (Post 1627956)
The principal seemed to be in denial. In an article in our paper, he was saying that the kids were in special ed classes but too intelligent to do that (hey mister, sounds like they were really going to do it) and that they were good kids. Maybe some of them were roped into it but it seems that there were a few bad apples in the bunch,

From the CNN update:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/01/....ap/index.html
"This is an isolated incident, an aberration. ... We have good kids," Center Principal Angie Coleman told the newspaper"
Tanner is the Chef of Police:

DaemonSeid 04-02-2008 08:48 AM

that's part of why I hated kids being labelled special ed....some of them aren't that 'special'...some of them just needs an @sswhuppin'....

FSUZeta 04-02-2008 09:01 AM

i hope that more information is released. i find it alarming that 3rd graders were capable of orchestrating such an elaborate plan and one that was so evil. drawing a picture of the teacher as a devil or writing "i hate mrs. smith", but knives?

does anyone know if the kids were all 8 or 9 years old, or were some of them older?

FSUZeta 04-02-2008 09:04 AM

just saw that the ages ranged from 8 to 10. wow!

oops. thanks jon!

Munchkin03 04-02-2008 09:46 AM

I don't know...as appalling as this is, it's not really that surprising. Kids watch SO much TV now, with little to no supervision from their parents. I'm sure some kid saw something that inspired them to do this.

DaemonSeid 04-02-2008 10:12 AM

I know this is wrong. I know it. But when they were discribing it on the news, why was I cracking up. play handcuffs, a broken knife, duct tape. This seems like a scene from Our Gang. Sadly, why I should not have laughed...it was/is reality. But the sickness in me stills find it comical.

"You tie her up"
"But I only have my TMNT numchucks. I want to bash her scull in"
"My daddy bought me a bow and arrow set. I can shoot her through the eye"
"We can get away in my Escalade Power Weels. It is four wheel drive"
"I still have my handcuffs I got last birthday. I think I have a key. If not, I know how to unlock them to put them on her"
"Otay and don't forget that duck tape."
"Okay, it sounds like a plan. Tomorrow we bring the b*tch down."
"Yeah!!"

jon1856 04-02-2008 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1628027)
I know this is wrong. I know it. But when they were discribing it on the news, why was I cracking up. play handcuffs, a broken knife, duct tape. This seems like a scene from Our Gang. Sadly, why I should not have laughed...it was/is reality. But the sickness in me stills find it comical.

"You tie her up"
"But I only have my TMNT numchucks. I want to bash her scull in"
"My daddy bought me a bow and arrow set. I can shoot her through the eye"
"We can get away in my Escalade Power Weels. It is four wheel drive"
"I still have my handcuffs I got last birthday. I think I have a key. If not, I know how to unlock them to put them on her"
"Otay and don't forget that duck tape."
"Okay, it sounds like a plan. Tomorrow we bring the b*tch down."
"Yeah!!"

As "sick" as your posting maybe, what is even sicker is that the conversation between the kids may have been rather close to that.:(

DaemonSeid 04-02-2008 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1628032)
As "sick" as your posting maybe, what is even sicker is that the conversation between the kids may have been rather close to that.:(

heh....sick...read my screen name...does that bring visions of happy sunshine, poines and roses?

LOL

yes..I do have a sick twisted sense of humor....and I am also a really nice, easy going, laid back and friendly guy! ;)

nittanyalum 04-02-2008 11:20 AM

This sounds suspiciously like an episode of MTV's show about high school pranks. There was one about a bunch of senior guys that taped their teacher to his chair, I can't remember all the details, but the guys actually spent a night in jail and almost got expelled before graduation.

The way MTV is these days, parents of kids under about 16 or so would probably be wise to "block" it so their young ones can't watch some of the crap they show in the afternoon & early evenings... (not blaming the OP incident directly on MTV, just wandered into a tangential thought of my own)

honeychile 04-02-2008 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1627974)
that's part of why I hated kids being labelled special ed....some of them aren't that 'special'...some of them just needs an @sswhuppin'....

I agree. I know a "special ed" teacher who has had one child break her leg, another shove her down the steps.

I'm not going to pretend to know what to do with these kids, but something really has to give.

amanda6035 04-02-2008 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1628067)
The way MTV is these days, parents of kids under about 16 or so would probably be wise to "block" it so their young ones can't watch some of the crap they show in the afternoon & early evenings... (not blaming the OP incident directly on MTV, just wandered into a tangential thought of my own)

hijack - My parents didnt allow me to watch MTV when I was in high school - and that was '95-'99. Mom had a problem with the condom commericials, and the imposters body spray commercials that had the naked model with censor bars bleeping out her boobs and tush.

FSUZeta 04-02-2008 01:02 PM

its(mtv) even worse now.

RU OX Alum 04-02-2008 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scandia (Post 1627953)
I'm in disbelief. How could they dislike a teacher so much? .

maybe she had it coming

Unregistered- 04-02-2008 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1628218)
maybe she had it coming

No kidding.

If the kids' teacher was anything like my 4th Grade teacher, I don't blame em. Miss Rowley was Satan's sister.

RU OX Alum 04-02-2008 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1627974)
that's part of why I hated kids being labelled special ed....some of them aren't that 'special'...some of them just needs an @sswhuppin'....

so do some people in the "normal" class

RU OX Alum 04-02-2008 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1628015)
I don't know...as appalling as this is, it's not really that surprising. Kids watch SO much TV now, with little to no supervision from their parents. I'm sure some kid saw something that inspired them to do this.

you're right,

this is TV's fault. We need to spend countless millions and give more power to FCC and then nothing bad will ever happen to anyone ever again.

RU OX Alum 04-02-2008 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 1628070)
I agree. I know a "special ed" teacher who has had one child break her leg, another shove her down the steps.

I'm not going to pretend to know what to do with these kids, but something really has to give.

In my experience most people hired to deal with us never had a clue.

You're friend probably could've avoided that situation. And i'm sure that the punishment for the student who defended him/herself against your friend was completely uncalled for.

Educatingblue 04-02-2008 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scandia (Post 1627953)
I'm in disbelief. How could they dislike a teacher so much? If they were intelligent enough to come up with a plot that involved different roles and labor division, they are also intelligent enough to understand the consequences.


I teach and there is definitely something wrong with the students who are coming through the educational system now. I guess they figured if she lived, momma would just go to the school and curse her out and deny any wrong doing on their child's behalf. :rolleyes:

jon1856 04-02-2008 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carnation (Post 1627956)
The principal seemed to be in denial. In an article in our paper, he was saying that the kids were in special ed classes but too intelligent to do that (hey mister, sounds like they were really going to do it) and that they were good kids. Maybe some of them were roped into it but it seems that there were a few bad apples in the bunch,

Seems as if a few people are either in denial or just can not get thieir heads around this. Or perhaps they could be correct:confused::
Experts dubious of Ga. 3rd-grader plot
WAYCROSS, Ga. - Allegations that third-graders hatched an elaborate plot to knock out, handcuff and stab their teacher were met with shock by neighbors and with doubt by psychiatry experts who said it is unlikely that children that young seriously intended to hurt anyone.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080403/...hildren_s_plot
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23905909/

Senusret I 04-02-2008 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1628374)
......with doubt by psychiatry experts who said it is unlikely that children that young seriously intended to hurt anyone.

Sheeeeeeeeit.

Did I ever tell you guys about the time I was beat up by a Kindergartener?

UGAalum94 04-02-2008 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1628225)
In my experience most people hired to deal with us never had a clue.

You're friend probably could've avoided that situation. And i'm sure that the punishment for the student who defended him/herself against your friend was completely uncalled for.

Are you kidding or trying to be deliberately offensive? You read a story about a teacher getting her leg broken and pushed down stairs, and you assume that the student was defending himself or herself? Did I miss something?

I think that "the teacher deserved it comments here" were probably in jest, right? How else are kids going to learn the capital of Vermont?

RU OX Alum 04-03-2008 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1628416)
Are you kidding or trying to be deliberately offensive? You read a story about a teacher getting her leg broken and pushed down stairs, and you assume that the student was defending himself or herself? Did I miss something?

I think that "the teacher deserved it comments here" were probably in jest, right? How else are kids going to learn the capital of Vermont?

just trying to add some balance. Special Ed teachers, while some are angels, some are devils. I know. I went through the system. But untill i see indisputable proof that the kid did that for no reason, I will assume it was the teacher at fault, as everyone else seems ready to blame the student.

No i'm not Kidding. I'm not being deliberately offensive, but if you're offended I couldn't care less.

There are more bad people than good that teach special ed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if those teacher's deserved it.

DaemonSeid 04-03-2008 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1628384)
Sheeeeeeeeit.

Did I ever tell you guys about the time I was beat up by a Kindergartener?

that kindergartener probably belonged in 6th grade....

RaggedyAnn 04-03-2008 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1628537)
just trying to add some balance. Special Ed teachers, while some are angels, some are devils. I know. I went through the system. But untill i see indisputable proof that the kid did that for no reason, I will assume it was the teacher at fault, as everyone else seems ready to blame the student.

No i'm not Kidding. I'm not being deliberately offensive, but if you're offended I couldn't care less.

There are more bad people than good that teach special ed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if those teacher's deserved it.

I can't believe you would say that. Do you know that there is a very high precentage of teachers that have been assaulted in their career? It is ridiculously high. My mother was one of them. Her student was kicked out of 3 classes before hers. It was the students that reported it because they were so tramatized. Teachers are highly underpaid and underappreciated.

nittanyalum 04-03-2008 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1628537)
just trying to add some balance. Special Ed teachers, while some are angels, some are devils. I know. I went through the system. But untill i see indisputable proof that the kid did that for no reason, I will assume it was the teacher at fault, as everyone else seems ready to blame the student.

No i'm not Kidding. I'm not being deliberately offensive, but if you're offended I couldn't care less.

There are more bad people than good that teach special ed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if those teacher's deserved it.

She disciplined (another article used the word "scolded") one of the students for standing on a chair.

That bitch. Cut her!

This article reports that experts are now saying they doubt the kids would have actually followed through with the attack. That's fine and all, but the fact that a bunch of 9-year-olds were even TALKING about doing something like this in such detail is disturbing -- bringing gloves, assigning kids to cover the windows and others to clean up the blood -- agh! :(:mad:

DaemonSeid 04-03-2008 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1628642)
She disciplined (another article used the word "scolded") one of the students for standing on a chair.

That bitch. Cut her!

This article reports that experts are now saying they doubt the kids would have actually followed through with the attack. That's fine and all, but the fact that a bunch of 9-year-olds were even TALKING about doing something like this in such detail is disturbing -- bringing gloves, assigning kids to cover the windows and others to clean up the blood -- agh! :(:mad:

whatever happened to simply putting a thumbtack in her chair.....?

or a 'kick me' sign on her back....

SWTXBelle 04-03-2008 12:58 PM

Or how about - if a teacher is out of line, telling your parents and having them go to the administration?

DaemonSeid 04-03-2008 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1628699)
Or how about - if a teacher is out of line, telling your parents and having them go to the administration?

or worse...accepting the fact that your bad @ss needs to do as your teacher instructed you to do...LOL

NappyBison 04-03-2008 01:40 PM

I can recall a school (chartered) in my city that condones and still enforces spanking of sorts. Nothing more than a good swat on the back of the hand of bottom with a ruler, but if/when I ever have children I'd send them there.

Public schools would be better if this method were still implemented, but alas, our country is full of people who believe "time-out" is just punishment. I was beat senseless and I think I turned out all right in the long run.

nittanyalum 04-03-2008 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NappyBison (Post 1628735)
I was beat senseless and I think I turned out all right in the long run.

BAHhahahahaha! I just practically yelled and scared some people, I think.

So, LOL but :eek:.

RU OX Alum 04-03-2008 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1628642)
She disciplined (another article used the word "scolded") one of the students for standing on a chair.

That bitch. Cut her!

pretty much

UGAalum94 04-03-2008 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1628537)
just trying to add some balance. Special Ed teachers, while some are angels, some are devils. I know. I went through the system. But untill i see indisputable proof that the kid did that for no reason, I will assume it was the teacher at fault, as everyone else seems ready to blame the student.

No i'm not Kidding. I'm not being deliberately offensive, but if you're offended I couldn't care less.

There are more bad people than good that teach special ed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if those teacher's deserved it.

You are saying that bad special education teachers deserve to be killed or pushed down stairs? Does that really make sense to you?

I'm not really offended but I'm thinking you're a little unhinged, maybe just about this issue, I don't know. I don't care if you don't, but if you're posting your opinions and you want to sell an idea, maybe advocating the murder of bad teachers isn't the way to go.

Thetagirl218 04-04-2008 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaggedyAnn (Post 1628622)
I can't believe you would say that. Do you know that there is a very high precentage of teachers that have been assaulted in their career? It is ridiculously high. My mother was one of them. Her student was kicked out of 3 classes before hers. It was the students that reported it because they were so tramatized. Teachers are highly underpaid and underappreciated.

Agreed! Being a teacher myself I totally agree! While nothing so serious has happened to me (I have only been pushed around and called several cuss words), I can honestly say that those teaching in public school have an uphill battle on their hands. When I was in college, one of my supervising teachers had death threats nearly every day. Another friend of mine (who happens to teach those with special needs) has had broken fingers, black eyes, a broken arm, and bites and cuts so deep she had to go to the ER. All this and she went back into her classroom and kept teaching, even when she was offered a transfer.

All this is probably one of the reasons I currently teach in private school!

jon1856 04-04-2008 12:45 AM

If you wish to see just what kind of coverage this has gotten; click on the links:
http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/st...161052,00.html?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/U...ow/2918836.cms
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...rnational/home
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishex...403-qqqx=1.asp
True, they picked up AP's feed but they did run it.

As for comment about the kids from "Pros":
Did Kids Know Consequences?
Investigators now say an alleged plot by nine third graders at an elementary school in Waycross to attack, possibly even kill, their teacher was the mastermind of a 9-year-old girl.

But the question remains, what motivated them? Did the third graders really know the consequences of what they were planning?
Waycross investigators say their plot at Center Elementary was shockingly organized, detailed, and disturbing. Police say a 9-year-old girl was the ring leader, who led eight other third grade students.

Investgators said each of them had a role, including handcuffing the teacher, hitting her with a paper weight, stabbing her, and then, cleaning up the mess.
http://www.11alive.com/news/article_...storyid=113942

Senusret I 04-04-2008 06:59 AM

9 year old girls are straight from the devil.

upandcoming09 04-04-2008 08:11 AM

9 year olds? seriously....
DaemonSeid you have me over here cracking up


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