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US President George W Bush says he would fight in Afghanistan if he was younger.

President Bush spoke of his dream to work on the frontline in Afghanistan during a video conference with US military and civilian personnel in the war-torn country.

"I must say, I'm a little envious," Bush said.

"If I were slightly younger and not employed here, I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed.

"It must be exciting for you ... in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You're really making history, and thanks," President Bush said.

President Bush was briefed about problems and progress in Afghanistan where a war has dragged on for more than six years.

The President was told challenges range from fighting local government and police corruption to persuading farmers to abandon a lucrative poppy drug trade for other crops.

President Bush heard tales of all-night tea drinking sessions to coax local residents into cooperating, and of tribesmen crossing mountains to attend government meetings seen as building blocks for the country's democracy-in-the-making.


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...rom=public_rss

I guess the jungles of Vietnam weren't exciting enough so instead he stayed home to navigate the dangerous and treacherous skies of Texas? And now he wants to 'live vicariously enough " through our young people serving overseas?

ok......add this to the already long list of Bush - isms as another well intended a but off the mark remark

well he's said that 100s of times over...be nice if he really tells us the truth and say that he just wants all the oil....and not for 'freedom' and 'democracy' that is 'so desparatel needed ' in the middle east.

Because Afganistan is just overflowing with oil...

It sounds as though he was trying to motivate the troops.
Just out of curiosity DS, which branch did you serve in? EXACTLY.

How about you go drill for oil in Afghanistan...

Army.

I don't believe you

that's too damned bad then.
Oh yeah..I forgot, I am supposed to rattle off all my service information like where i served, my unit and battalion info and the like to you....


Yes...yes... "Army" is too vague


How dumbass of me not to leave some very credible info that anyone here can go dig up.... right?

PhiGam...

I don't know nor like you enough to just arbitrarily stick that much info up here for you to see.

I don't give 2 shyts if you believe or not....really.

but no...NO...for a man that hasn't served in combat when he had his chance...I don't agree with his statement.

Maybe he could tell my brother who is now deceased, that the mine his truck hit was romantic

maybe he could tell my frat brother (one of our founders,) that the 4 friends he watched die from mortar rounds was an exciting position, especially when one just talked of being able to go home in four days to see his wife and 3 kids after 2 tours.

Give Gee Dubs kids some kevlar an M 16, MREs and 2 clips for about a week and maybe just maybe I will buy his statement.

I actually would have understood that coming from McCain.

Maybe because I think Bush is an ass and I can exercise my 1st Amendment right to say so?

I'm sorry did I also hurt your feelings by not getting on my knees, kiss his ass and and thank God he has been sent to us?

Ain't happening.

I UNDERSTAND what the hell I have lost duh!

But for that man to make that statement makes me looking forward to 1/20/09


Something I wrote 2 years ago....

A Brother’s Grief 1/19/06

Mr Bush

i wanna take this time to thank you
i know i don’t need to e mail this to you
Because for every right of mine that u are violating
I know somehow u will read this thru your eavesdropping
Wiretappings and illegal e-mail openings and infiltrations of message groups

I wanna thank you for conveniently sending my brother home early

I wanna thank you for taking a man who for so long tried to live outside of the box and sending him back in one

I wanna thank you for taking the time to screw up our lives so bad that my parents who were on the verge of quitting to smoke have gone thru 2 packs within the last 12 hrs.


I wanna thank you for leaving 2 children who so lovingly looked up to him, now without a father and a family that one day will have to tell these children what kind of man their father was and that they should smile when they think of him because he loved them so....

I wanna thank you for taking an ordinarily quiet women who was his devoted wife and making her into a hysterical mess destroying the peace of my parents house...nobody's fault but yours.

I wanna thank you for the cardboard words of condolences in our time of grief in recognition of the rights that he fought for abroad while you violate mine right here

Thanks for the lost sleep and the food I don't wanna eat.

There are so many other things I wanna thank you for but....

I gotta breathe

I gotta breathe...

I gotta keep breathing each breath that he will never take again

I gotta walk

I have to move....

I have to take steps that his foreign soiled shoes will never take again

Soon u will send someone to say some well rehearsed words that he died a hero

Thanks but no thanks...he died on your fool's errand

The one that u had faulty info on...

You will send someone to say that he died for their freedom

Thanks but no thanks

No one recalls ever getting a memo from Iraq that they needed our help.

But we thank them for leaving to do a thankless job for thanking us
for sending our blood to spill his blood far from home

When it all boils down to it Mr Pres..if you wanna show me your thanks...

Send your children to Hell with a carbine, full metal jacket and some BDUs for 14 months and tell them

The same bullshyt you tell us...and lie to yourself about

Even if they don't come back in a box...

They won't come back the same way they left.





- SEC and PhiGam...if you don't like the fact that I and many others criticize the president, especially after a boneheaded remark like that.....you know what you can do.....

W. is teh lame.

I think that Bush is a terrible president and I criticize him when he does something wrong but your comments and criticisms here are just way out of line.

well boo hoo for you bud...get over it.

Do you want me to change it so you can feel a little better?

You don't find Bush at all hypocritical for saying, "Gee, I didn't bother to fight in Vietnam, but I wish could be here now fighting?" I'm fairly certain that he was "slightly younger" then or was it that he thought it was a losing battle and therefore not worth his time? Better to leave it up to John McCain back then since he wasn't too afraid to go? I'm not a Republican, but if McCain would have made this statement I'd be okay with it, since it wouldn't seem like a slap in the face to the troops that are there fighting.

amen bluefish...maybe I am the only one getting that....

I "get it," I just don't have a big problem with Bush sending a message of support to the troops, even if it is bullshit. I also don't have a problem with him not serving in Vietnam considering his circumstances.

I don't have a problem with Bush saying support the troops

(God you guys are clowns)

I DO have a problem with him making light of it...again..ESPECIALLY knowing he had a chance to do it....in light of his situation?

Given his daddy's connections he could have lived the romantic dream during his youth instead of allegedly patrolling the dangerous skies of Texas.

I guess I don't "get" why it's okay for the senior Bush to serve actively in a war and have a pretty storied and respectable career, and the younger Bush gets to serve inactively stateside. Please explain.

I don't think it's ok to expect somebody to serve in the military just because their father did.

I dont think it's ok for someone who ducked serving in the military properly to make light of those who are serving especially being the one that sent them there in the first place.

I would agree with that statement, but it's often thought that Bush (like some others in his era) joined the N.G. at that time to avoid being drafted. His student eligiblility from being drafted was about up when he entered. I don't expect someone to serve in the military just "because their dad did."
My own dad was drafted during Vietnam and discharge/ineligible for medical reasons. Like many people, both of my grandfathers served in WWII.

I guess I still don't understand what are his circumstances? That he could barely pass the pilot exam?

Bush's military record: http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-02-14-bush-docs.htm

awol allegations: http://www.factcheck.org/democratic_...n_against.html

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feat...rds/index.html

Hahaha, I find it funny that people still believe in this leader of the free world crap.

This is exactly why I'm voting for McCain, he's the only person running who hasn't any deal what war actually entails. While McCain was a POW in Vietnam, Obama was toking up and doing lines in Jakarta. Now tell me which one better qualifies you for office?

One's past doesn't ALWAYS define your present....if anything your past shapes your present...amazing analogy you pose there, but still is it not amazing that someone who DID drugs and admitted to the mistakes that he made, did what was needed to change his lifestyle...AS A TEEN mind you, could still be in a position to become president of the US....

Hell Gee Dub still doesn't talk candidly about his alcohol induced times as an adult nor have we heard a PEEP about his daughters since term one....except one is getting married.

Though I understand Bush wanting to boost the spirits of those on the front lines and show his appreciation, I find his comments incredibly condescending. The man probably cannot even begin to imagine what it's like for our troops over there, since he's never been in combat, so where does he get off telling them how "dreamy" they should feel? It would be better if he would just say "Thank You" and give them the respect they deserve.

Though our military has a lot of pride in what they do, there's no doubt that MANY of our men and women do not want to be there...in the desert for years, watching their friends get their limbs blown off and fearing for their own lives every day. Oh, and then when they finally get home from war, their govt. sticks them in some of the crummiest hospitals around and offers them little in the way of counseling. George Bush had his chance to live like these men and women, but he didn't have the you-know-whats for it - I imagine many of them find his ramblings of "romantic" times on patrol absolutely laughable and out of touch, if not insulting.

Hmm, a guy in pow camp or a grade schooler doing drugs in a foreign country. I'd say none of them are qualified.

Lt. Kelly is more qualified then McCain or Obama if you look at how hardcore one is. He, after all, massacred an entire village.

You mean William Calley? Or have I missed a news story?

You're a sick pup. :p

Him too

:):):)

So Bush's military service record is relevant but Obama's actions during the same times are not? You look down more upon somebody for serving in the national guard than for doing cocaine, I guess I just don't understand the double standard. If military service is truly important to you then I suppose you'll vote for McCain.

I have no idea where you got your info from, but Obama was in grade school when he was in Jakarta. Nxt thing u know, ur going to tell us that he attended a militant madrasah.

Dude...Obama was IN HIGH SCHOOL when his occurences happened....like you didn't do stupid things in high school...Bush was a grown @ssed man shirking service!!!!!

Bush was ALSO a grown adult and in various official positions when his alcoholism took place....
At least Obama had teh WISDOM to learn from it....Bush apparently never passed whatever he learned from it down to his daughters...

So given the 2....I say double standard doesn't work, here.....

Moe...u know the scary part...is that there are people STILL trying to fit that square pegged peice you just said into a round hole of truth....

There are those who are still trying to fit his middle name to Muslim ties...

EXACTLY. It's completely insulting to say that being on the front lines is "romantic". The man's been watching too many John Wayne movies and Patton to know the truth. Telling the people who have lost friends and compatriots that fighting is exciting and romantic is absurd. In the beginning, a lot of my friends in the Army were excited to go and fight. They had talked about preparing for war, but never actually getting to do it. A lot of them compared it to a surgeon, preparing through med school and residency, only to never operate in the "real world." Fast forward to today... when many of my friends have been on 3 or more tours. All of them. They have lost friends in the fight, they are leaving home for 15 months at a time, marriages are destroyed and parents no longer know their children. Not to mention that there has been no real clear plan of how to win this thing. It is extremely disheartening.

I have devoted a lot of time to offering mental health services to soldiers and their families in this time of war. I've heard it all. Not being able to sleep, when you do sleep, having terrible dreams, being jittery and accidentally pulling a weapon on your spouse when they come up behind you. If W would spend just 1 hour of time getting the real story from these folks, he would realize that what he said is probably the most asinine thing anyone has ever said.

I didn't do drugs... it puts money in the hands of street gangs and cartels, alcohol doesn't do that.
I would hardly call being drunk a few times and getting a DUI alcoholism, just bad luck. Nor would I consider his daughters alcoholics just because they got caught drinking underage, if you can show evidence to their being alcoholics I'd be interested.
Still, you'll be voting for the guy with the better service record though?

PhiGam...you are borderlining on twit-dom ok?

Like father like daughter...being the pres and having a daddy with CIA ties makes it really easy to keep this kid's problems on the quiet...what say you?

Especially since said daddy helped pres duck out of duty with little penalty...

I also hardly cite getting into trouble as a teen and then learning from those mistakes hardly a reason why I should hold something against someone running for president.

Let me guess...you were the perfect teen?

...you were an angel?

You NEVER EVER got into any type of any parts of any kind of trouble?

Not even once?

HOW BORING !!

You now what, the day a squeaky clean politician pops up, with nary a blemish, be afraid.


I got a stone for you if you got the 'nads to cast them.

<----got in trouble twice for staying after school to hang out with some buddies instead of going to an afterschool program. NEVER used drugs EVER in my life. NEVER drank before the age of 21 except for a sip of red wine at a family dinner. I was pretty squeaky clean and, I guess, boring.

What's really the point of people discussing Bush and his daughters...or Obama's admissions of drug use? Just another thing to keep us entertained as this boring campaign goes on? I wish the election would happen and someone would take office already. I'm starting not to care who takes office. Yawn.

So you'll be voting for a recovered druggie over a man with a valiant service record, yes or no? How important is somebody's service record to you?
P.S. I wasn't a perfect teen, but I've never done drugs because I believe they hurt our country immensely.

Oh my god, if *I* say he's not voting for McCain will it end this annoying back-and-forth?????

;)

Nittany...I don't think they have caught it...if they have been paying attention to any of my posts since January, they would have gotten it by now.

Knucklehead number one: SEC
HEELLLLLSSS no...I am NOT voting for McCain...ever...how many more clues do you need

N_ F_r McCain


RST O

Buy a vowel


Knucklehead Number 2: PhiGam

I never got into much trouble as a teen..but I had my issues...never did drugs, drank twice...didn't agree with me. Was also around other teens who did stuff got into trouble and became some very respectable adults... saw some kids that were also goodie 2 shoes who made a mess out of life...and guess what....THAT'S LIFE !


So, you ready for that stone to cast now ?

O yeah...recovered junkie...? Ummm wasn't Bush voted TWICE into office?

Not my fault your own reading skills over the last month (and appraently since you didn't read my last post) have been lacking.