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ThetaKappa 03-12-2008 11:14 PM

Local trying to go National
 
Our campus greek officials are forcing our sorority to either go national or die out. Our first option was have the other sororities on campus vote us on...which takes every sorority to say yes and there is a lot of sorority rivalry here...so not everyone said yes. Another sorority on our campus did the same thing, but they applied as a fraternity and they are its sister chapter...does anybody know how we can do that??? OR does any have any other ideas!!!

SoCalGirl 03-13-2008 02:13 AM

Clarify with your school what they want. Do they want you to affiliate with an existing NPC sorority? Any already established national group? Or, do they want your local sorority to become a national group?

ThetaKappa 03-13-2008 12:12 PM

Well they basically said do whatever you can.
We presentated to panhellic twice, and we were turned down by a vote from the local sororities.
So we have the option of a Kappa Delta Phi style affiliated fraternity which already exists here.
We could become a club, which isnt an option---we're a sorority!
Other than that...we arent sure what to do...which is why I am here for your help

OmegaPDPrez 03-13-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ThetaKappa (Post 1617380)
Well they basically said do whatever you can.
We presentated to panhellic twice, and we were turned down by a vote from the local sororities.
So we have the option of a Kappa Delta Phi style affiliated fraternity which already exists here.
We could become a club, which isnt an option---we're a sorority!
Other than that...we arent sure what to do...which is why I am here for your help

is your campus an all local or all national campus? i've heard of the process in which the existing groups at a university has to vote on the entrance of a new group, but i am under the impression that it applies to all existing organizations, not just locals. and in your're situation if you aren't allowed to be a local why are there locals voting?? perhaps you meant national? in either case, my advice would be to have a detailed talk with your greek affairs advisor, he or she knows all the rules about what you can and can not do as a local organization. as far going national... every council has different rules, my group is attempting to go national because many members who attend my university are not allowed to form a local group. we are now an independent sorority. unaffiliated with any university for the time being until our second chapter becomes affiliated with their school.

OmegaPDPrez 03-13-2008 04:13 PM

there really is no easy way to become national. it is a long process that takes many years. your best bet would be to continue looking for a national group that already exists and continue to apply for entrance into your school's council. You must know that being in a sorority is a lot of work, espcially if you are trying to colonize an existing organization. so make sure you definitely have the time and energy to devote to this organization.

OPhiAGinger 04-05-2008 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ThetaKappa (Post 1617211)
Our campus greek officials are forcing our sorority to either go national or die out.

Your best bet is to research national organizations heavily, find one that seems to fit your local organization's culture and personality, and approach them about affiliating. It's highly unlikely an NPC sorority will work out for you, unless your local Panhellenic organization has decided they need to expand... and that doesn't sound like the situation you are describing. But you still have a lot of options on the national scene --- multicultural sororities, service sororities, Christian sororities, and social sororities that aren't members of NPC --- so don't give up!

GC@EC 04-15-2008 08:59 PM

Same Struggle!
 
Dear Theta Kappa,

We are going through the same thing! Two nights ago our administration informed us that they were inviting NPC to join our Greek Community. As a result, Gamma Chi Sorority (because we are local) will no longer be a recognized organization on campus as of 2009.

Our only option is to become national by taking on another national sororitie's letters, or not be Greek at all.

Can we be an affiliate group of NPC? Do they have to strip us of our letters? What other options do we have?

Please help! I will let you know if I learn anything new! Thank you.

MsDGP007 04-16-2008 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GC@EC (Post 1635140)
Dear Theta Kappa,

We are going through the same thing! Two nights ago our administration informed us that they were inviting NPC to join our Greek Community. As a result, Gamma Chi Sorority (because we are local) will no longer be a recognized organization on campus as of 2009.

Our only option is to become national by taking on another national sororitie's letters, or not be Greek at all.

Can we be an affiliate group of NPC? Do they have to strip us of our letters? What other options do we have?

Please help! I will let you know if I learn anything new! Thank you.

While I am not intimately familiar with the NPCs rules, I do know that no new organizations have joined since the 1950s (or maybe it's 1960s) and when you affiliate with one of their organizations, you take their letters. Under no circumstances could you keep your locals' letters.

33girl 04-16-2008 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GC@EC (Post 1635140)
Dear Theta Kappa,

We are going through the same thing! Two nights ago our administration informed us that they were inviting NPC to join our Greek Community. As a result, Gamma Chi Sorority (because we are local) will no longer be a recognized organization on campus as of 2009.

Our only option is to become national by taking on another national sororitie's letters, or not be Greek at all.

Can we be an affiliate group of NPC? Do they have to strip us of our letters? What other options do we have?

Please help! I will let you know if I learn anything new! Thank you.

I don't get it...are you saying all the sororities are local and are now going to be NPC? If this is the case, everyone on campus is in the same boat.

aopirose 04-16-2008 12:28 PM

Unfortunately, Gamma Chi cannot join the National Panhellenic Conference in any capacity as a single chapter.

Is the university telling your chapter to affiliate with an NPC or are they inviting an NPC to campus regardless? If it is the former, find out how much “say” your chapter gets in “who” is picked.

Your only option at this point seems to be research the NPC groups not on your campus.
http://npcwomen.org/undergrads/membe...nizations.aspx Hopefully, you will be able to find a member organization that aligns closely with your sorority’s ideals. You also want to consult your chapter’s alumnae to let them know what is happening.

All of the NPC members have experience in absorbing local sororities so they understand what you are going through. AOII absorbed a Columbus State local sorority last fall and they will be installed as an AOII chapter this weekend. There is also a thread on this board regarding Alpha Chi Omega absorbing a local at Carnegie Mellon. It is a very interesting read.

Through the link that I posted, there is a tab called “Extension Information.” Click on that tab to find out more about the official process.

Best of luck!

MysticCat 04-16-2008 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1635333)
I don't get it...are you saying all the sororities are local and are now going to be NPC?

Doesn't look like. Based on the campus website, there are currently 5 sororties -- 2 NPC orgs, one NPHC org, one NALFO org and GC@EC's local.

ValpoKD 04-16-2008 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1635459)
Doesn't look like. Based on the campus website, there are currently 5 sororties -- 2 NPC orgs, one NPHC org, one NALFO org and GC@EC's local.

So funny! I thought Gamma Chi sounded familiar. I grew up three towns away from Elmhurst. My mom assisted withe the chartering of the Alpha Phi chapter, and I know two current members. I worked for a competing school as an admission counselor, and I know three current staff members at Elmhurst.

It is a small world some days!

TSteven 04-16-2008 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ThetaKappa (Post 1617380)
Well they basically said do whatever you can.
We presentated to panhellic twice, and we were turned down by a vote from the local sororities.
So we have the option of a Kappa Delta Phi style affiliated fraternity which already exists here.
We could become a club, which isnt an option---we're a sorority!
Other than that...we arent sure what to do...which is why I am here for your help

I am fairly certain that Kappa Delta Phi Fraternity is the only NIC (IFC) member that has a national affiliated sorority - i.e. KDFNAS. So something similar does not seem to be an option.

GC@EC 04-17-2008 07:39 PM

Thanks for all your help. I wish there was a better solution.

GC2theEC 04-17-2008 10:47 PM

Wow, I can't believe another Gamma Chi made an account here. I made mine about 1000 years ago when I was helping with recruitment last year. We're so uncreative with our usernames! Haha. The situation sucks sweetheart. Regardless of the letters, we're still sisters. But yeah, our school is turning our Greek system completely upside down. It's horrible.

33girl 04-18-2008 10:09 AM

Gamma Chi ladies:

Your best option is to work with your school and your school's Panhellenic to find an NPC sorority that you really connect with. Depending on the national group, your alumnae might have the option to affiliate as well. And even if they don't - there's nothing to prevent you from keeping them up to date on what's happening with the chapter and inviting them to summer picnics and things like that.

MysticCat 04-18-2008 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GC@EC (Post 1635140)
Two nights ago our administration informed us that they were inviting NPC to join our Greek Community. As a result, Gamma Chi Sorority (because we are local) will no longer be a recognized organization on campus as of 2009.

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Originally Posted by GC2theEC (Post 1636301)
But yeah, our school is turning our Greek system completely upside down. It's horrible.

Help us understand exactly what is happening. You already have two NPC orgs on campus, so I'm not quite getting that the administration is "inviting NPC to join our Greek Community." Is it basically that the administration has decided that there will be no locals? From your school's website, it looks like all of your sororities and fraternities are nationals of one type or another (NPC, NPHC, NIC, NALFO or national outside any "council") except for Gamma Chi.

PenguinTrax 04-18-2008 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MsDGP007 (Post 1635260)
While I am not intimately familiar with the NPCs rules, I do know that no new organizations have joined since the 1950s (or maybe it's 1960s) and when you affiliate with one of their organizations, you take their letters. Under no circumstances could you keep your locals' letters.

There are a couple of organizations that don't use alphabetic designation for their chapters and sometimes let the local that is affiliated keep their letters as they chapter designation (unless they are already in use, of course). So depending on what happened, they could become the Gamma Chi chapter of XYZ.

GC2theEC 04-19-2008 01:43 AM

So, basically for those of you having confusion here is what's going on with our organization:

We were originally a little sister group until 1989. They then decided that they didn't want little sister orgs on campus so we became a local sorority, Gamma Chi, that May. Basically they waited until a year before our 20 year anniversary, and told us that they will be bringing on a third NPC sorority to take our place and as of Spring 2009 we will not be a recognized sorority on campus. This was decided without as much as mentioning the idea to anyone in our chapter beforehand.

The reasoning for this decision is unclear and we continuously are getting different bs answers. They're also sending letters to other orgs on campus saying that it is to give us more opportunities to have a "more substantial greek experience." Meanwhile we are the exec boards in both Panhel and Greek Council, along with providing the most philanthropy events on campus. Seems substantial to me. Also, there have not been any incidents or accidents against Gamma Chi during my whole experience with the sorority.

Additionally, they want us to continue helping with the planning process of recruitment and even enlist rho gammas, despite the fact that we will NOT be allowed to participate in recruitment in the fall. So yeah, messed up.

MaggieXi 04-21-2008 03:58 PM

From the OP's post it seems like they are bringing on another National Sorority. Is the plan for Gamma Chi to be absorbed into the new sorority, or are the members allowed to affiliate individually after Gamma Chi is no longer recognized by the school?

Since it seems like the school is calling all the shots here, maybe you can try to come to a compromise. Once they receive any interest letters, ask if you can review those sororities and have a say in which GLOs get to come present. Try and find one that is similar to your ideals and principals.

GC2theEC 04-21-2008 10:20 PM

The plan as of right now is that Gamma Chi will be disbanded and then members of our organization will choose on an individual basis whether or not they will join the national. Here is the outline of the current expansion process: a statement will be sent out to the 24 NPCs not currently on campus, then anyone who is interested will return to us with information for our girls to review over the summer. We will then rank our top five which will be taken to an expansion committee, consisting of the two national orgs already on campus. Gamma Chi will have staff representatives and one girl from our organization to speak on our behalf; however, we will not have a vote.

The expansion committee will pick three out of our top five. Those three organizations will come to campus to interact with our chapter, our adiministration, and other people on campus. After meeting each organization personally, we will rank those three in order of our preference, and the list will be taken back to the expansion committee, who will make the final call as to who we get. Then starting Spring of '09 the NPC will send workers from the National office to come recruit and set up the new chapter. All current actives of Gamma Chi will become part of the new member class of the new organization.

couggirl 04-22-2008 02:53 AM

I am curious as to what the University would do if nobody from Gamma Chi wanted to seek membership in the NPC. I mean, would the school still want the NPC sorority and they (the NPC sorority) would just recruit a whole new member classs, or would the NPC not open a chapter on your campus? I know this is theoretical, but I am curious and thought I would ask a question to ponder.

GC2theEC 04-23-2008 10:32 AM

They're bringing on a third NPC regardless of whether or not Gamma Chi joins. If we join we have a hand in the new chapter developed, and if we don't they'll just develop a new chapter on their own.

33girl 04-23-2008 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GC2theEC (Post 1638780)
They're bringing on a third NPC regardless of whether or not Gamma Chi joins. If we join we have a hand in the new chapter developed, and if we don't they'll just develop a new chapter on their own.

Then it really is in your best interests to join. Also, you might want to make sure that if you do decide to join, that the NPC chosen will take you all as a group, not pick & choose which members they want.

I know that it kind of sucks to have this decision forced on you, but better to be a part of it than to have your sorority's history die out totally. If you become part of the new NPC then your history will be part of that chapter.

HeavenslilAngel 10-02-2008 11:22 AM

My experience with national affiliation
 
I was in a local sorority prior to becoming a founding member of my Alpha Sigma Alpha chapter. Kappa Delta Sigma (the local we were prior to affiliation) started in January 2001 and we were installed as an Alpha Sigma Alpha chapter October 2002. While we sought national affiliation, the local sorority becomes part of your history. I felt the same way about having new letters at first but I grew to love my new letters and since I was one of the first members to join the local sorority I love to talk and remember what is now my local heritage. So you never lose your local sorority, it just becomes part of your heritage. I am still active within Alpha Sigma Alpha and without national affiliation I would not have had the opportunities that I have now. The whole affiliation process took a little less than 2 years. I would be more than happy to share what I remember of our affiliation process if you have any questions.

Mu_2008-2012 12-26-2008 12:10 AM

Which sorority is this??

AOEforme 12-30-2008 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mu_2008-2012 (Post 1758374)
Which sorority is this??

Which quotation are you referring to?

GC2theEC 01-03-2009 12:20 AM

Just wanted to give you an update!
 
So, Gamma Chi went through the extension process and we ended up having three great groups come to present on our campus. Ultimately Phi Mu was the one for us! I know that we were all down on this when it first started; but, now we're so excited. Nearly every single girl has decided to transition (the only one not transitioning is graduating at the end of the semester and couldn't spare the finances). They are a group of wonderful women and they have made this whole process so easy for us. Although the ending of Gamma Chi was bittersweet we have already gained so much just from being Phis.


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