Who is your most frequent competitor?
 

I was helping a Theta friend put together some statistics for a project she is working on and we came up with a list of Kappa Alpha Theta's most frequent competitors (or the number of times Theta meets each other sorority on a campus). I thought you might find it interesting:

Kappa Kappa Gamma, 90
Delta Gamma, 85
Pi Beta Phi, 80
Delta Delta Delta, 73
Alpha Chi Omega, 68
Alpha Phi, 61
Chi Omega, 61
Gamma Phi Beta,50
Kappa Delta, 49
Alpha Delta Pi, 43
Zeta Tau Alpha, 31
Delta Zeta, 29
Alpha Omicron Pi, 28
Alpha Gamma Delta, 27
Sigma Kappa, 26
Phi Mu, 24
Alpha Epsilon Phi, 21
Sigma Delta Tau, 21
Alpha Xi Delta, 18
Phi Sigma Sigma, 5
Delta Phi Epsilon, 4
Alpha Sigma Alpha, 3
Sigma Sigma Sigma, 3
Alpha Sigma Tau, 1
Theta Phi Alpha, 1

Where some of the sororities ended up surprised us both. Just for kicks we did a list for Alpha Xi Delta (Theta's traditional rival with the least common meetings) to see how it looked:

Delta Zeta, 40
Zeta Tau Alpha, 39
Chi Omega, 33
Alpha Phi, 30
Alpha Chi Omega, 28
Delta Gamma, 25
Phi Mu, 25
Pi Beta Phi, 25
Alpha Gamma Delta, 24
Alpha Delta Pi, 23
Alpha Omicron Pi, 23
Delta Delta Delta, 22
Sigma Kappa, 22
Gamma Phi Beta, 21
Kappa Delta, 21
Kappa Kappa Gamma, 21
Kappa Alpha Theta, 18
Sigma Sigma Sigma, 18
Phi Sigma Sigma, 15
Alpha Epsilon Phi, 12
Alpha Sigma Tau, 12
Delta Phi Epsilon, 12
Sigma Delta Tau, 11
Alpha Sigma Alpha, 6
Theta Phi Alpha, 6

Interesting how different the two lists look. Alpha Xi Delta's recent emphasis has been at smaller Greek systems and their most frequent competitors are also more predominately at smaller systems.

The above information proves or implies nothing--I just thought it would fascinating for others to see, You may wish to make a list for your own group.

It actually took me a second to realize what it was that you meant by competitor because I honestly have been so panhellenically-minded for so long I stopped thinking about fellow sororities on campus as "competitors."

Does the word strike any others as odd? I would have been more apt to pick "neighbor" or "cohort" or something.

Yeah, but rivals kind of made sense.

I'd prefer a more cooperative term too.

I still have no idea what he's talking about.

Yeah, I like rivals better than competitor for some reason. It seems easier to be friends with a rival than a competitor.

Leslie Anne: I think "competitor" is supposed to mean when XYZ is on a campus with ABC, then they are competing with eachother on that campus. Therefore, his chart shows where a GLO most frequently meets other GLOs. For instance, KAT is on 90 campuses with KKG.

oooooooh! Okay, thanks for explaining that. :)


ETA: Too much work for a Saturday. I think I'll wait until the others are done and just steal the numbers. :D

So far Kappa Delta has...


Alpha Delta Pi - 57
Kappa Alpha Theta - 49
Alpha Xi Delta - 21

I can't speak for other bruhs, but I'd have to say our biggest competitors are ourselves.

^ Your post reminds me of the cheese people throw out in job interviews when they want to look like a desirable candidate.

Example:

Interviewer: What is your greatest weakness.

Interviewee: Sometimes I try to please others TOO much. I also work too hard.

or

Interviewer: Name three words that describe you.

Interviewee: Winner. Awesome. Fratty. (okay maybe not that last one)

are you talking about fist fights/?

That's quite the undertaking. I'd say that for the sorority side, if you were interested and had the time, using the thead that IrishPipes started for 2007-2008 Recruitment would probably be a good idea. It has every chapter ever listed (or probably as good as you'll find).

We've already had this thread. Search the word "overlap."

The word "competitors" has a negative connotation and shouldn't be used in this context.

I think this is the one: http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...hlight=overlap

ETA: I read through the thread, and except for this post I don't think very many orgs were analyzed:

It looks like there used to be a comprehensive website with the data (but the link is different now and many people on GC thought the numbers were inaccurate anyway).

Maybe some mod out there could combine both threads for us? I like the term "overlap" more than "competitor" personally.

I know that we try not to use terms like "competitor" around here, but it's not entirely an inaccurate statement. I can say that at my school, we had both Kappa and Theta and I know from our Recruitment advisor that during my later years on campus, we and Theta tended to compete for the same women, while those who went for DG (the third sorority on campus) were more likely not to be Greek if they couldn't have their first choice.

However, oldu's stats seem more to be getting at the overlap between different organizations simply existing on the same campus and not at competition, as he hasn't posted any info regarding bid list overlap, etc.

Is there a gigantic spreadsheet of all colleges and universities with what NPC GLOs are on each campus?

This database, developed by irishpipes, is about as comprehensive as it gets!

Using irishpipes' database and being under the weather most of the day, I figured out the stats for Alpha Delta Pi. We are on the same campus as these GLOs the following times:


CW: 73
ZTA: 61
DDD: 58
KD: 57
ACW: 54
DG: 52
KKG: 52
PBF: 47
DZ: 45
GFB: 44
KAQ: 44
SK: 41
AF: 39
FM: 39
AGD: 35
AOP: 29
AXD: 24
SDT: 20
SSS: 20
AEF: 19
ASA: 9
DFE: 6
FSS: 6
AST: 2
QFA: 1


This is the perfect example of why the word "competitor" doesn't work. Five of the sororities under 36 are at Pitt, which has 11 sororities. Does that mean that the Pitt chapter of ADPi shouldn't even deign to look at the competitors under the halfway mark? Of course not! The GLOs which each sorority will find themselves competing differ from campus to campus.

I think this is better seen as a list of which other GLOs are most likely to focus on the same campus for a chapter.

Yes there is....kind of. It's not a spreadsheet, but Irishpipes put together an incredible list of all NPC chapters (active and dormant).

I think it's somewhere in the recruitment area?? Someone will post the link I'm sure.


ETA: Honey posted while I was typing.....there's the link! :D

:( I wish Phi Mu and ADPi shared more campuses than that...but the 39 campuses we do share is great! YAY MM!

Theta Phi Alpha

Phi Sigma Sigma 16
Delta Phi Epsilon 13
Delta Zeta 11
Alpha Sigma Tau 10
Sigma Sigma Sigma 9
Alpha Sigma Alpha 8
Zeta Tau Alpha 8
Alpha Xi Delta 6
Kappa Delta 5
Gamma Phi Beta 4
Chi Omega 3
Delta Gamma 3
Phi Mu 3
Kappa Kappa Gamma3
Sigma Delta Tau 3
Alpa Epsilon Phi 2
Alpha Omicron Pi 2
Delta Delta Delta 2
Pi Beta Phi 2
Alpha Chi Omega 1
Alpha Delta Pi 1
Alpha Phi 1
Alpha Gamma Delta 1
Kappa Alpha Theta 1
Sigma Kappa 1

Interesting... are there any GLO's that don't share at least one campus with every other NPC organization?

Me, too! I was really shocked when I saw the stats.

The list proved one thing to me much more clearly than "who we compete against"; it showed which sororities tended to have chapters in which state. It's also amazing how many chapters of EVERY sorority have closed, for one reason or another!

I would love somebody to figure it out for Alpha Chi! Just out of curiosity, how did you guys get this information? Look at the school websites for every campus where your sorority is located?

I'm pretty sure people are piggy-backing on all of the hard work that Irishpipes has already done in the links above. Why do the ground work twice, you know? Irishpipes info is the go-to resource for many purposes, but it is certainly interesting to see it applied like this.

Last plea:
Can a mod and oldu get together and retitle the thread? I honestly don't even think it comes down to a preference of term... I think the title itself was confusing to more than a few.

Here's the list for ASA. I may have missed a few, so it's not 100% accurate, but you get the general idea.

Alpha Gamma Delta: 14
Alpha Delta Pi: 9
Alpha Epsilon Phi: 2
Alpha Xi Delta: 6
Alpha Omicron Pi: 14
Alpha Sigma Tau: 21
Alpha Phi: 11
Alpha Chi Omega: 7
Gamma Phi Beta: 6
Delta Gamma: 8
Delta Delta Delta: 4
Delta Zeta: 25
Delta Phi Epsilon: 8
Zeta Tau Alpha: 14
Theta Phi Alpha: 8
Kappa Alpha Theta: 3
Kappa Delta: 4
Kappa Kappa Gamma: 2
Pi Beta Phi: 1
Sigma Delta Tau: 2
Sigma Kappa: 19
Sigma Sigma Sigma: 35
Phi Mu: 15
Phi Sigma Sigma: 15
Chi Omega: 8

How dare you, Skylark.


Everyone knows my greatest weakness is that I care too much. And I'm a perfectionist. And I'd rather increase profits than sleep.

Okay, so I caved....

Here is a list of the number of times Kappa Delta overlaps with other sororities:

Chi Omega - 82
Delta Delta Delta - 61
Alpha Delta Pi - 59
Kappa Kappa Gamma - 55
Zeta Tau Alpha - 55
Pi Beta Phi - 54
Delta Gamma - 51
Alpha Chi Omega - 51
Kappa Alpha Theta - 50
Phi Mu - 48
Delta Zeta - 44
Alpha Omicron Pi - 40
Sigma Kappa - 39
Gamma Phi Beta - 38
Alpha Phi - 34
Alpha Gamma Delta - 33
Alpha Xi Delta - 21
Sigma Delta Tau - 17
Sigma Sigma Sigma - 14
Alpha Epsilon Phi - 14
Theta Phi Alpha - 5
Phi Sigma Sigma - 5
Delta Phi Epsilon - 4
Alpha Sigma Alpha - 4
Alpha Sigma Tau - 3


Honey, I got a different number for our match-ups. You have 57 and I have 59. :confused: (I'm not going to do a recount though. ;))

Ok, I caved....but I got different numbers than all of you (except for AnatraAmore).

Of course I used only active chapters:

Delta Gamma--78
Kappa Alpha Theta --64 (as opposed to oldu's 61)
Pi Beta Phi--64
Chi Omega--60
Gamma Phi Beta--58
Kappa Kappa Gamma--57
Delta Delta Delta--53
Alpha Chi Omega--56
Delta Zeta--41
Alpha Delta Pi--41 (as opposed to Honeychile's 39)
Sigma Kappa--41
Alpha Omicron Pi--39
Alpha Gamma Delta --37
Kappa Delta--35 (as opposed to Leslie Anne's 34)
Alpha Xi Delta--32 (as opposed to oldu's 30)
Zeta Tau Alpha--31
Alpha Epsilon Phi--26
Sigma Delta Tau--22
Phi Sigma Sigma--23
Phi Mu--18
Sigma Sigma Sigma --18 (as opposed to Jocelyn's 17)
Alpha Sigma Alpha--12 (as opposed to cuteASAbug's 11)
Delta Phi Epsilon--11
Alpha Sigma Tau--8
Theta Phi Alpha--1

To make it easier, you've already got the numbers for 14 NPCs:

Alpha Chi Omega

Delta Gamma - 75
Kappa Alpha Theta - 68
Kappa Kappa Gamma - 68
Alpha Delta Pi - 54
Alpha Phi - 53
Kappa Delta - 51
Sigma Kappa - 41
Delta Zeta - 38
Phi Mu - 37
Alpha Omicron Pi - 35
Alpha Xi Delta - 28
Sigma Sigma Sigma - 11
Alpha Sigma Alpha - 7
Theta Phi Alpha - 1

:)


ETA:
epchick: I just did a recount for Alpha Phi and KD and still got 34. :confused: Are we using the same list? I used the one Irishpipes made.

True!

For my part, I admit that my eyes have been glazed over for the past few days. Anything math error under five is fine by me, but I'll go over it again. Maybe.

Chi Omega used to share the most campuses with Tri Delta -- not sure if that's the case today or not.

Exactly. I used irishpipes as well, but once I got towards the bottom of the list, my eyes started to glaze over! lol. So I more than likely made mistakes in counting.

ETA: At times i forgot that irishpipes would put the same campus twice (one right after the other) so I might have inadvertently counted the same chapters twice.

I used Irishpipes' list as well. I went back, made a spreadsheet and still got 35! lol.

Plus, I updated my list and my numbers still differ than everyones. Oh well...over it! lol.

numbers for KKG
 

OK, so you made me curious. Here are the "overlap" numbers that I got for Kappa. Like everyone else, I often vary from the other lists by one or two (I included colonies and international chapters):

Pi Beta Phi: 92
Kappa Alpha Theta: 91
Tri Delta: 84
Delta Gamma: 82
Chi Omega: 80
Alpha Chi Omega: 68
Gamma Phi Beta: 57
Kappa Delta: 57
Alpha Phi: 57
Alpha Delta Pi: 54
Zeta Tau Alpha: 34
Delta Zeta: 32
Alpha Omicron Pi: 30
Sigma Kappa: 29
Alpha Gamma Delta: 26
Alpha Epsilon Phi: 25
Phi Mu: 24
Alpha Xi Delta: 21
Sigma Delta Tau: 20
Sigma Sigma Sigma: 6
Delta Phi Epsilon: 5
Phi Sigma Sigma: 3
Alpha Sigma Alpha: 2
Theta Phi Alpha: 2
Alpha Sigma Tau: 1

^^^LOL. I didn't know Alpha Sigma Theta joined the NPC! (I bet your eyes are glazed over too!)

Oops. :eek: All fixed I hope. :) Thanks for the catch.

The amount of work that irishpipes put into coming up with a database like that is amazing. Since it was obviously a "labor of love," I'd like to thank her belatedly for having done it. I only looked at a couple of states, but spent alot of time looking at it. Of particular interest to me are all the smaller colleges that no longer exist now. I also liked being able to see exact dates for a chapter's existence.

Thanks again for all your hard work and persistence-I'm so impressed!