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moe.ron 02-14-2008 11:14 AM

Why Obama Should Not Be the Next President of USA
 
Good compelling reasons. This is why I'll be voting for Ron Paul.

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I am not prejudiced. Far from it. What I am?or, I should say, who I am?is a man who loves his country so deeply that he is unwilling to stand idly by while our nation allows itself to be completely annihilated by another incoming comet.

Have we learned nothing from the tragic events of 1998, when, under the watch of President Morgan Freeman, this nation was plunged into chaos, and hundreds of millions of people died at the hands of the deadly Wolf-Beiderman space rock? The mere fact that this country is even considering putting another black man, Barack Obama, in the Oval Office proves that we have not.

We can't deny the facts, people. All we will get by electing an African-American is Texas-size space particles crashing into the Earth's surface, mega-tsunamis that barrel into the Appalachian Mountains, and 6.6 billion dead people.

I'm not suggesting that President Freeman was directly responsible for the creation of the Wolf-Beiderman comet or its Earth-bound path. That would be ridiculous. What I am saying is that under the watch of a black man that comet destroyed the entire Eastern seaboard. So, if history is any indicator, a vote for Barack Obama in 2008 is essentially a vote for the complete and total obliteration of the human race.

Don't we owe it to our children, and our children's children, to use this upcoming election to guarantee the Earth's existence rather than dooming it for eternity?

To even risk putting Mr. Obama in a position where he would insist, as past black presidents have, that our nuclear arsenal is powerful enough to divert the incoming comet would be foolish, to say the least. Any decision like that would only break the fast-approaching space rock into two very powerful asteroids, both of which would end up heading straight for Earth, leaving all of us who aren't on the small list of people picked to live in the government-sponsored protective caves to burn, drown, or die while in the arms of our estranged fathers. The only difference is, this time around, the late astronaut Robert Duvall will not be alive to save millions of lives by conducting a suicide space mission to destroy the larger of the two asteroids before it enters the Earth's atmosphere.

In my book, any possible repeat of this extinction-level event is reason enough not to elect another African-American president. Consider that later that same summer, just two months after the first deep impact, this very country once again faced Armageddon in the form of another comet hurtling toward Earth. In this instance, under the watch of a white president who sort of looked like an older Dennis Quaid, that catastrophe was avoided entirely.

As if that is not enough, history shows us that, besides carrying the baggage of a guaranteed asteroid strike, black heads of state also give terrorists extra motivation to destroy the United States. During the presidency of 24's David Palmer, there were no fewer than four nuclear bombs smuggled into this country. That's four more than under any white president. Though we should have known better than to elect President Palmer in the first place (he was elected three years after President Freeman left office), the U.S. populace made him the commander in chief because it was swayed by then-Senator Palmer's commitment to change, his no-nonsense approach, and his ability to inspire. Sound familiar??

Asteroids and nuclear bombs?that's what this nation can expect from an Obama White House.

Need I even mention that former President Chris Rock and his administration's slogan was "The only thing white is the house"? Though this attitude broke down the stuffiness typically associated with proper White House decorum, President Rock's laissez-faire approach not only made a mockery of the office at home, but made the United States look like a joke abroad.

I concede that the United States has had a competent African-American president in the huge black guy from the The Fifth Element, who did great things for this country by keeping the evil Mr. Zorg at bay. But that is years from now. There is no denying that by 2236, when we have flying taxicabs, this country will be ready for a black president. But until then, if we want life in this great land to continue as we know it, we owe it to ourselves to make the right choice and reelect Kevin Kline.

IlovemyAKA 02-14-2008 11:37 AM

lol. moe.ron indeed

DaemonSeid 02-14-2008 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by moe.ron (Post 1600534)
Good compelling reasons. This is why I'll be voting for Ron Paul.

And what's so wrong about that was that it wasn't David Palmer when the nukes were smuggled..it was WAYNE Palmer....and it was 5 nukes...

Between both Palmers, 3 nukes went off on US soil and we never retaliated.


And don't forget the biologial weapon that was detonated and killed 1000's nooooo this could never do.

srmom 02-14-2008 11:42 AM

that's hilarious

In the news last week, they talked about how in England, some percentage of people thought that Winston Churchill was a fictional character. Don't let them get ahold of this!

Senusret I 02-14-2008 12:20 PM

A MESS! I loved it!

skylark 02-14-2008 12:23 PM

LOL. I was already to be pissed off when I saw the thread title.

MTSUGURL 02-14-2008 01:49 PM

I just copied and pasted that in an email to about 10 people.

nittanyalum 02-14-2008 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by skylark (Post 1600574)
LOL. I was already to be pissed off when I saw the thread title.

Me too! :D

RU OX Alum 02-14-2008 01:53 PM

awesome!

DSTCHAOS 02-14-2008 02:06 PM

Political commentary at its finest!!!

1908Revelations 02-14-2008 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by skylark (Post 1600574)
LOL. I was already to be pissed off when I saw the thread title.

Me too. LOL

scbelle 02-14-2008 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 1908Revelations (Post 1600718)
Me too. LOL

And me too.

PhiGam 02-15-2008 12:42 PM

I would say because he is a very liberal spender- something we've just suffered for the last eight years.

skylark 02-15-2008 12:46 PM

PhiGam (sigh)... your post is almost as funny as moe.ron's.

Leslie Anne 02-15-2008 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1601445)
I would say because he is a very liberal spender- something we've just suffered for the last eight years.

Obviously didn't bother to read the original post. :rolleyes:

PhiGam 02-16-2008 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Leslie Anne (Post 1601457)
Obviously didn't bother to read the original post. :rolleyes:

I did, its funny. I'm just saying why he shouldn't be president.

AKA_Monet 02-16-2008 01:18 AM

I thought the OP was taking about Nato Jenkins...

southernfrat 02-19-2008 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Leslie Anne (Post 1601457)
Obviously didn't bother to read the original post. :rolleyes:


The original post is funny but PhiGam just happens to make a point that most of ya'll would probably not know. For any of you that are voting for this joke of a candidate please tell me some of his policies (well since this is on the internet i'm sure you will just go to his website and grab whatever he claims as his policy off of there). Most of his supporters are taken by his ability to speak and his idea of "change". If you want to know why not to vote for Obama his voting record will explain everything.

DaemonSeid 02-20-2008 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by southernfrat (Post 1604085)
For any of you that are voting for this joke of a candidate please tell me some of his policies (well since this is on the internet i'm sure you will just go to his website and grab whatever he claims as his policy off of there).

Why don't you go to the website, cut and paste for everyone to see and save others the trouble....?

Drolefille 02-20-2008 08:28 PM

Without looking at the website:
-Fixing NCLB and rewarding teachers on a merit-based system.
-Ending the war in Iraq.
-Focus on the war in Afghanistan and on finishing it.
-No censorship on cable but an call for advertisements to be shown appropriately and for parents to take responsibility.
-Keep religion out of policies and laws.
-Repeal Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy and lower taxes for the middle class.
-Have an optional health care plan available for everyone that equals the congressional health plan and for those who wish to keep private insurance, lower premiums and costs. (Note: Children would be required to have insurance either private or public, adults would not.)
-Refocus the health care system on prevention, not treatment.
-Increased grants, scholarships, loans for college students with the requirement of some sort of public service in return.
-Stop torturing prisoners.
-Reduce our dependence on foreign oil and reduce emissions.
-Take the money we're spending in Iraq and invest in the infrastructure of our country.
-Consider how to address Social Security by raising the cap on the amount paid in for those with an income over $200,000 (proposed only)

-Work rationally to accomplish these things. This means working with Republicans not alienating them. It may mean sacrificing a "perfect" solution to get to one that will pass.

shinerbock 02-20-2008 08:41 PM

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...g?t=1203460533

KSig RC 02-20-2008 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1604685)
Without looking at the website:
-Fixing NCLB and rewarding teachers on a merit-based system.
-Ending the war in Iraq.
-Focus on the war in Afghanistan and on finishing it.
-No censorship on cable but an call for advertisements to be shown appropriately and for parents to take responsibility.
-Keep religion out of policies and laws.
-Repeal Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy and lower taxes for the middle class.
-Have an optional health care plan available for everyone that equals the congressional health plan and for those who wish to keep private insurance, lower premiums and costs. (Note: Children would be required to have insurance either private or public, adults would not.)
-Refocus the health care system on prevention, not treatment.
-Increased grants, scholarships, loans for college students with the requirement of some sort of public service in return.
-Stop torturing prisoners.
-Reduce our dependence on foreign oil and reduce emissions.
-Take the money we're spending in Iraq and invest in the infrastructure of our country.
-Consider how to address Social Security by raising the cap on the amount paid in for those with an income over $200,000 (proposed only)

-Work rationally to accomplish these things. This means working with Republicans not alienating them. It may mean sacrificing a "perfect" solution to get to one that will pass.

So like was posited earlier . . . liberal spending?

Doesn't every one of these things cost additional money that does not currently exist in the budget? We were over budget before Iraq, so that simply cannot be the source of the money - plus, it will still cost money to pull out (insert abortion joke here?) . . . that was the original crack.

Drolefille 02-20-2008 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1604697)
So like was posited earlier . . . liberal spending?

Doesn't every one of these things cost additional money that does not currently exist in the budget? We were over budget before Iraq, so that simply cannot be the source of the money - plus, it will still cost money to pull out (insert abortion joke here?) . . . that was the original crack.

Eh, more money comes in for SS and I believe more money in taxes.

But half that stuff doesn't involve spending more so that's really a false summary. I don't think day one he's going to stop paying money into Iraq but post-withdrawal there will indeed be funds available.

DSTCHAOS 02-20-2008 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1604685)
Without looking at the website:
-Fixing NCLB and rewarding teachers on a merit-based system.
-Ending the war in Iraq.
-Focus on the war in Afghanistan and on finishing it.
-No censorship on cable but an call for advertisements to be shown appropriately and for parents to take responsibility.
-Keep religion out of policies and laws.
-Repeal Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy and lower taxes for the middle class.
-Have an optional health care plan available for everyone that equals the congressional health plan and for those who wish to keep private insurance, lower premiums and costs. (Note: Children would be required to have insurance either private or public, adults would not.)
-Refocus the health care system on prevention, not treatment.
-Increased grants, scholarships, loans for college students with the requirement of some sort of public service in return.
-Stop torturing prisoners.
-Reduce our dependence on foreign oil and reduce emissions.
-Take the money we're spending in Iraq and invest in the infrastructure of our country.
-Consider how to address Social Security by raising the cap on the amount paid in for those with an income over $200,000 (proposed only)

-Work rationally to accomplish these things. This means working with Republicans not alienating them. It may mean sacrificing a "perfect" solution to get to one that will pass.


You did better than many Obama supporters can do. :) I might print this out and put it in my "who will I vote for" folder.

DaemonSeid 02-20-2008 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1604728)
You did better than many Obama supporters can do. :) I might print this out and put it in my "who will I vote for" folder.

breaking news:

Watching MSNBC and they are reporting that McCain may be dipping the fountain of youth....again....

They have a story from the New York Times reportedly linking McCain to a lobbyist by the name of Vickie Iseman back in 2000 and sources say that they may have had 'relations' ...more to come as the story breaks


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us...hp&oref=slogin

Drolefille 02-20-2008 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1604728)
You did better than many Obama supporters can do. :) I might print this out and put it in my "who will I vote for" folder.

Lol. I'm a political nerd right now, and for those people who say he never talks about anything in his speeches a lot of that was mentioned last night in TX.
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1604738)
breaking news:

Watching MSNBC and they are reporting that McCain may be dipping the fountain of youth....again....

They have a story from the New York Times reportedly linking McCain to a lobbyist by the name of Vickie Iseman back in 2000 and sources say that they may have had 'relations' ...more to come as the story breaks

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us...hp&oref=slogin

Oh geez. At least this isn't "he fathered a black child." Of course, I heard Obama fathered two black children so he isn't one to talk.

DaemonSeid 02-20-2008 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1604753)
Lol. I'm a political nerd right now, and for those people who say he never talks about anything in his speeches a lot of that was mentioned last night in TX.

Oh geez. At least this isn't "he fathered a black child." Of course, I heard Obama fathered two black children so he isn't one to talk.

??? You mean 2 more outside of Michelle ???

O well....

Senusret I 02-20-2008 10:55 PM

I think the pun was that his two children ARE black...

:)

Drolefille 02-20-2008 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1604838)
I think the pun was that his two children ARE black...

:)

Indeed.
Come on Daemonseid, keep up ;)
And of course there's the question if Chelsea Clinton's a "black child" since her father wasn't a "black" president until after she was born. I don't think there's any precedent for that sort of determination.

KSig RC 02-20-2008 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1604709)
Eh, more money comes in for SS and I believe more money in taxes.

This is an incredibly specious answer, but I'm sure you know that - and I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I think the concern is more valid than most Obama supporters are admitting.

Obama is not exactly proposing spending cuts, except in Iraq, which is all deficit spending to start! (IIRC, obv)

Drolefille 02-21-2008 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1604880)
This is an incredibly specious answer, but I'm sure you know that - and I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I think the concern is more valid than most Obama supporters are admitting.

Obama is not exactly proposing spending cuts, except in Iraq, which is all deficit spending to start! (IIRC, obv)

Yeah but I'm not an economist so it's a big bunch of not my job to some extent. :p

Though I'd love to see a balanced budget I really don't think anyone could do it these days. Once you feed a bureaucracy money, it only grows bigger and far too many presidents have done so for far too long. Maybe NASA needs to sell more space tourist rides or something. Plus if the federal government stops spending, a lot of states are going to be in trouble. They rely on federal matching funds for nearly all basic functions from education to interstate repair to medicaid/medicare.

DaemonSeid 02-21-2008 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1604864)
Indeed.
Come on Daemonseid, keep up ;)
And of course there's the question if Chelsea Clinton's a "black child" since her father wasn't a "black" president until after she was born. I don't think there's any precedent for that sort of determination.

I was being sarcastic, you 2.....LOL

skylark 02-21-2008 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1604728)
You did better than many Obama supporters can do. :) I might print this out and put it in my "who will I vote for" folder.

Actually, since the beginning Obama has kind of monopolized the "well-educated" vote based on exit polls. This link was posted elsewhere on GC, but I think it shows how many people (including this reporter) mistakenly assume that Obama supporters don't know why they are supporting him.

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress....y-to-railroad/

DSTCHAOS 02-21-2008 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by skylark (Post 1605015)
I think it shows how many people (including this reporter) mistakenly assume that Obama supporters don't know why they are supporting him.

No mistake. Some don't.

skylark 02-21-2008 12:12 PM

^^ I never said that some don't. I think that the same could be said for any candidate. I just think that the stereotype is fairly inaccurate and there are both specific examples out there and statistics that back it up. I think that there is a huge media push to make people think that Obama support is hallow (and thus dissuade people from supporting him by making them think that they'd be in bad company)... but I have yet to see anything but spin to support that myth.

shinerbock 02-21-2008 12:43 PM

I think the stereotype is likely fairly accurate. Whenever you're the trendy candidate that is popular with the college crowd, you're always going to have a substantial amount of minimum-depth support.

skylark 02-21-2008 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1605140)
I think the stereotype is likely fairly accurate. Whenever you're the trendy candidate that is popular with the college crowd, you're always going to have a substantial amount of minimum-depth support.

Your perspective on college-educated voters is interesting. I guess if I were the candidate I'd rather have the Starbucks vote over the Walmart vote.

KSig RC 02-21-2008 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by skylark (Post 1605144)
Your perspective on college-educated voters is interesting. I guess if I were the candidate I'd rather have the Starbucks vote over the Walmart vote.

You might, simply because the Starbucks crowd may be more likely to actually show up at the polls.

However, there's no guarantee that the Starbucks crowd actually knows substantially more about your policies, not at all.

Besides this, the "educated" vote is a misnomer, because there are many in college or with college degrees who I find to be functionally retarded. It's no guarantee of responsibility on the part of the voter, blah blah chow meow. Basically you're making the same assumption you're pointing out in others, just in reverse.

skylark 02-21-2008 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1605149)
It's no guarantee of responsibility on the part of the voter, blah blah chow meow. Basically you're making the same assumption you're pointing out in others, just in reverse.

I think that the assumptions I make are more based in statistics than others, simply to say that I think college-educated people are more likely than not to read the paper, watch the news instead of wheel of fortune, etc. Sure it isn't a guarantee and surely we have all known people that graduated from college by a miracle against nature.

I always find it funny how when you say something on GC, it turns into that you said that something was ALWAYS true, no matter what, under any circumstances, because someone wants to pull your thought down off of the shelf and give it a beating. I think the expression is something like taking down a straw man (or close). Anyway, I certainly don't think that a college degree protects you from ignorance, nor do I think that if you are out there without a college degree you can't be one of the smartest thinkers in the country. I think that it is merely an indicator that a person might have more actively engaged brain cells than the average non-college-educated person.

shinerbock 02-21-2008 01:31 PM

When I said "college crowd" I meant those actually in college. The college educated vote probably splits fairly proportionately. However, these vague ideological messages of hope and change resonate well with those existing in academia, so I'm not surprised that Obama does well with such groups.

However, like I said, that support often doesn't extend very far below the surface.


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