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NappyBison 01-17-2008 04:16 PM

Ku Klux Klan Planning March in Jena, LA
 
It came to my attention that the members of the Ku Klux Klan are planning to march on Jena on Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday this comming week. I am so disgusted with this and I'm not sure how much play this story is getting so I'll bring it to you all....in case you didn't know.

As reported on Revcon.us

A white supremacist group recently announced plans to march and rally in Jena, Louisiana on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, January 21, 2008. These white racists, who call themselves the “Nationalist Movement,” are billing the event as “Jena Justice Day—No to Jena 6, No to King.” They were quoted encouraging people to bring homemade signs calling for jailing the Jena 6, opposing the Martin Luther King holiday, and “down with communism.” They suggested that people come in U.S. military or Confederate Civil War uniforms, and they even encouraged people to DISPLAY NOOSES!!

As for these racists and their march, we have one thing to say: THE DAY IS LONG SINCE PAST WHEN VIGILANTE RACISTS RUNNING AMOK AND TERRORIZING BLACK PEOPLE IS TOLERABLE. Go crawl back under your miserable rocks, and get out of the way.

But for those who argue that the Jena 6 case is about six Black youth who need to be punished for beating up a white student...and NOT about nooses being hung on a “whites-only” tree...this alone should make it very clear that this case is truly all about the fact that the nooses hung at Jena High School stood for a whole history and present-day reality of racism, oppression and discrimination…AND the fact that Black students resisted this.

The system came down HARD on six Black youth to make the point—that they will not allow defiant rebellion against the status quo of racist unequal justice, segregation and KKK terror. From the very beginning, high school administrators, city officials, the DA and judges AND officials from the U.S. Justice Department worked together to push forward the outrageous prosecution of the Jena 6. But as word spread throughout the country a real grassroots movement grew. On September 20, tens of thousands of Black people from all over the country demonstrated in Jena, and many more protested in other cities and towns.

But KKK-types then jumped out in a reactionary counter-attack. Families of the Jena 6 got death threats and a white supremacist website encouraged vigilante action against them by posting their names and addresses. As a result of the struggle of the people, the courts were forced to release one of the Jena 6, Mychal Bell, who had been unjustly imprisoned for 10 months. But no sooner was he out than they threw him right back in, supposedly for probation violation from “previous offenses.” Then the DA, the Jena Times newspaper, and the mayor went on a mission in the media to strike back, saying the real “victim” in all this is the white student, Justin Barker, who the Jena 6 are accused of beating up. And the media has also been a launching pad for vilifying the Jena 6 as gangsters and thugs. But support for the Jena 6 has continued to grow, especially among students, and in November thousands of people marched in DC against racist hate crimes, demanding that the Jena 6 be free.

There is a real battle, a profound political struggle, going on that must take off to higher levels, with two sides fighting over a question that, right now, concentrates the oppression of Black people: WHAT WILL BE THE OUTCOME OF THE JENA 6 CASE?

Talk to other Black people who live in Jena. They’ll tell you about how a Black man was stomped to death by a gang of white guys because he bumped into a white woman. You’ll hear other accounts of Black people being attacked, beaten up, killed. Maybe it was a Black man who dated a white woman. Maybe it was a Black youth with an attitude a white cop didn’t like. Or maybe it was someone attacked just for being Black.

It’s not that surprising there was a “whites-only” tree at Jena High School.

On the road leading right out of Jena, you pass a big mansion on a hill, standing all by itself. There’s a big iron fence around it, with a huge gate blocking the driveway. The whole thing is adorned with American AND Confederate flags. Stop at a gas station on the way to Jena and go into the gift shop and see trinkets for sale—ceramic figures of degrading caricatures of Black people. You see t-shirts for sale with Confederate flags and slogans openly promoting white supremacy.

In a place like Jena, you feel the echoes of slavery. You can’t help but be reminded that on this very ground, in these very places, kidnapped Africans were bought and sold, shackled and worked to death. Children ripped from their parents’ hands at the auction block. Plantations where Black people created tremendous wealth for their owners. And white slave-catchers hunted down runaway slaves. THIS economic system of slavery is at the very foundation of the whole way the capitalist system developed and grew in this country.

It took nothing less than the Civil War to end slavery in this country. But even this did not end the systemic oppression and super-exploitation of Black people. Instead, capitalism “re-integrated” millions of Black people in the South into new forms of oppression. Now they were to be exploited as sharecroppers, sometimes working on the same plantation land they, or their parents and grandparents, had worked on as slaves. And coming out of this and in turn propping up all this was the persistent “Southern culture” of KKK cross burnings, lynchings, and Jim Crow laws that required “white only” and “Black only” public schools, drinking fountains, trains, buses and all kinds of other public places.

And this continues right down to today. White racists—admitted and otherwise—will argue that they are just upholding “proud traditions,” “Southern culture,” and “the way of life our parents and grandparents have all enjoyed.” And down in Jena some who loudly say that they are not racist will, in the same conversation, tell you that Black people are dangerous, lazy, criminals with a lower innate intelligence than white people. This is the kind of culture and thinking that in turn bolsters and justifies all the ways that capitalism profits off of the exploitation and oppression of the masses of Black people—subjecting them to the lowest-paid jobs, the worst working conditions, the worst neighborhoods with little or no social services, and the highest unemployment rates.

These unequal and oppressive relations have been and continue to be brutally enforced. And while Black people no longer mainly face widespread lynching and cross-burnings—though the KKK would like to bring them back and there was a cross-burning just recently “up south” in Peekskill, New York—they do face the widespread terror of police brutality and murder.

SWTXBelle 01-17-2008 04:58 PM

I think this belongs in News & Politics.

Drolefille 01-17-2008 10:57 PM

I think it needs less copy 'n' paste.

Sadly freedom of speech means freedom of speech.

AKA_Monet 01-17-2008 11:07 PM

Well, I don't know some folks are upset when they call themselves "Nappy", like it's a cute thing to do. Wow, if one knew the history behind that word, the KKK would have no reason to march on MLK day--their job is done! Now that's real...

Senusret I 01-17-2008 11:18 PM

NappyBison:

First, I love your screen name. It not only is a marker of one who is proud of their heritage, but it creates clever imagery for me, specifically that bison are already "nappy" if you will.

Secondly, usually we like to post excerpts of articles along with a link to site at which it appears rather than paste the whole thing. Because it's someone else's material, we like to abide by copyright laws. It's also in the terms of service.

AKA_Monet 01-17-2008 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1583197)
NappyBison:

First, I love your screen name. It not only is a marker of one who is proud of their heritage, but it creates clever imagery for me, specifically that bison are already "nappy" if you will.

Like Don Imus does? Like the flanks of a bison? Does it have to be that word--what is it with the use of the consonant "N" to describe people from a rich genetically enriching heritage? This is about epistemology or cultural asili.

1908Revelations 01-17-2008 11:37 PM

Well she stated in a post that she is a future Howard student (Bison I assume) and she has natural hair.

Senusret I 01-17-2008 11:38 PM

I love it the way I love it. It has nothing to do with Don Imus and everything to do with how and why I embrace the word, and clearly NappyBison, too.

Like the old t-shirts say: I'm happy to be nappy. It has never been a pejorative in my family or in my community.

MahoganyJpoet 01-18-2008 12:05 AM

Wow that article is ashame.

Wow..and I am very ignorant about the term "nappy". I have used this term to describe my thick, curly natural hair which I love! I never even considered that the word "nappy" could register a negative feeling when used in that way. Hmmm

DSTCHAOS 01-18-2008 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1583205)
I love it the way I love it. It has nothing to do with Don Imus and everything to do with how and why I embrace the word, and clearly NappyBison, too.

Like the old t-shirts say: I'm happy to be nappy. It has never been a pejorative in my family or in my community.

Yep.

Minority groups take back words all the time and reassign definitions.

NappyBison 01-18-2008 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1583192)
Well, I don't know some folks are upset when they call themselves "Nappy", like it's a cute thing to do. Wow, if one knew the history behind that word, the KKK would have no reason to march on MLK day--their job is done! Now that's real...

Nappy doesn't strike me as a negative term because that is a term used to describe the texture of my hair. African-Americans have been taught to dislike their hair because it doesn't stand up to "European standards of beauty". We've been conditioned to "tame" it and keep it's natural kinks and coils hidden through chemical processing. No disrespect to those who chemically process their hair, I just have different views. I also have a pretty decent grasp on my African-American history as well. Don't count the high schooler out just yet, she's gained a plethora of knowledge despite this horrid public school system :)

NappyBison 01-18-2008 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1583197)
NappyBison:

First, I love your screen name. It not only is a marker of one who is proud of their heritage, but it creates clever imagery for me, specifically that bison are already "nappy" if you will.

Secondly, usually we like to post excerpts of articles along with a link to site at which it appears rather than paste the whole thing. Because it's someone else's material, we like to abide by copyright laws. It's also in the terms of service.


Thank you! Well the bison actually refers to my acceptance to Howard University, but the wooliness of the animal is a good link to my hair as well.

I'll be sure to hyperlink next time y'all. Sorry....

nittanyalum 01-18-2008 01:10 AM

First, powerful article.

Second, you impress me, NB! :)

1908Revelations 01-18-2008 01:12 AM

^^I agree. The only other HS GCer was Ziasha, now she is a freshman. Awww

Senusret I 01-18-2008 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 1908Revelations (Post 1583262)
^^I agree. The only other HS GCer was Ziasha, now she is a freshman. Awww

I thought I was the only one who thought "awww" when they thought of Ziasha! Awwwww......

And I am SO waiting for the day when we read her "announcement" lol..... I just hope we don't have to wait too terribly long!

NappyBison 01-18-2008 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1583260)
First, powerful article.

Second, you impress me, NB! :)


*takes a bow* Well thank ya kindly :D I've been on top of this Jena case like sugar on a cookie since it began. This is my generation and I feel as if people look at us like we will be the ruin of all humanity :( so I have to support the kinfolk.

1908Revelations 01-18-2008 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1583265)
I thought I was the only one who thought "awww" when they thought of Ziasha! Awwwww......

And I am SO waiting for the day when we read her "announcement" lol..... I just hope we don't have to wait too terribly long!

I KNOW!!! Now I HAVE to pm her and tell her to read this thread! LOL

nittanyalum 01-18-2008 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NappyBison (Post 1583269)
like sugar on a cookie

LOL!!!! (I'm so stealing this) :p

NappyBison 01-18-2008 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1583274)
LOL!!!! (I'm so stealing this) :p


Oh lawd, now you want to go and "jock my phrases" lol Don't you go around telling people you thought of that on your own.

nittanyalum 01-18-2008 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NappyBison (Post 1583276)
Oh lawd, now you want to go and "jock my phrases" lol Don't you go around telling people you thought of that on your own.

Holy crap, she put me in my place! :D You'll do JUST FINE here, NB! ;):p

1908Revelations 01-18-2008 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1583274)
LOL!!!! (I'm so stealing this) :p

/smalljack
Eventhough I don't like 49Cent I am still CTFU at "I love you like a fat kid love cake" ROTFLMAOBBQ

NappyBison 01-18-2008 01:33 AM

:D ----->*In best Jim Carey voice* They like me, they really like me!!!

nittanyalum 01-18-2008 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NappyBison (Post 1583280)
:D ----->*In best Jim Carey voice* They like me, they really like me!!!

*us old folks cringe that that's her frame of reference and not Sally Field...* :D :(:o

NappyBison 01-18-2008 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1908Revelations (Post 1583279)
/smalljack
Eventhough I don't like 49Cent I am still CTFU at "I love you like a fat kid love cake" ROTFLMAOBBQ

No she didn't SMH I have started something now, I better go to bed before I have y'all reminiscing about middle school and other random foolishness :D :rolling:

AKA_Monet 01-18-2008 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1583226)
Yep.

Minorities groups take back words all the time and reassign definitions.

That's what I'm saying! How come these reassigned definition words in reference to AA's seem to start with "N"?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1583205)
Like the old t-shirts say: I'm happy to be nappy. It has never been a pejorative in my family or in my community.

More like Stevie Wonder's song as he refers to "nappy headed boy"? So we really shouldn't be angry with Imus for what he said regarding women, some who are of African descent?


Quote:

Originally Posted by NappyBison (Post 1583257)
Nappy doesn't strike me as a negative term because that is a term used to describe the texture of my hair. African-Americans have been taught to dislike their hair because it doesn't stand up to "European standards of beauty". We've been conditioned to "tame" it and keep it's natural kinks and coils hidden through chemical processing. No disrespect to those who chemically process their hair, I just have different views. I also have a pretty decent grasp on my African-American history as well. Don't count the high schooler out just yet, she's gained a plethora of knowledge despite this horrid public school system :)

Your opinions stated here conflicts your comments made in other threads, there is a dichotomy of caring what the KKK does and how you have chosen to present yourself to my Sorority on GC. Now, if you think you will be able to impress my sorors on Howard's campus with the way you have chosen to present yourself, be my guest. Let us hope you are as intelligent as you think you are...

The word "nappy" comes from a certain derivation to describe Africans who were enslaved. The true designs and shapes of hair from Africans transcend the nascent truth of one's one self-discovery of his or her "roots". Because there was strong salt water interaction on the slave ships the true coiffure was mangled. Then the heads were shaved as well as jewelery and other accouterments of the "savage" nature... So when the kid"napper" and enslaver choose to define your nascent self, know where it comes from and why...

NappyBison 01-18-2008 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1583286)
That's what I'm saying! How come these reassigned definition words in reference to AA's seem to start with "N"?



More like Stevie Wonder's song as he refers to "nappy headed boy"? So we really shouldn't be angry with Imus for what he said regarding women, some who are of African descent?




Your opinions stated here conflicts your comments made in other threads, there is a dichotomy of caring what the KKK does and how you have chosen to present yourself to my Sorority on GC. Now, if you think you will be able to impress my sorors on Howard's campus with the way you have chosen to present yourself, be my guest. Let us hope you are as intelligent as you think you are...

The word "nappy" comes from a certain derivation to describe Africans who were enslaved. The true designs and shapes of hair from Africans transcend the nascent truth of one's one self-discovery of his or her "roots". Because there was strong salt water interaction on the slave ships the true coiffure was mangled. Then the heads were shaved as well as jewelery and other accouterments of the "savage" nature... So when the kid"napper" and enslaver choose to define your nascent self, know where it comes from and why...

Admittidly, didn't know that last piece of information, learn something new everyday. But I'm still confident that I haven't contradicted myself in previous threads. I maintain that KKK is wrong for their pursuit of "white supremacy" and that their actions, as usual, are in dissonance with I beleive in. The fact that I am not pained over the term nappy, is still the same despite how it is viewed by the KKK themselves or otherwise.

AKA_Monet 01-18-2008 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NappyBison (Post 1583295)
But I'm still confident that I haven't contradicted myself in previous threads. I maintain that KKK is wrong for their pursuit of "white supremacy" and that their actions, as usual, are in dissonance with I beleive in. The fact that I am not pained over the term nappy, is still the same despite how it is viewed by the KKK themselves or otherwise.

There will 2 worlds you will have to decide: one that says just as you are and how your think of yourself is cool; and one that says you much transcend beyond all concepts of oneself. Remember, "not being pained" when a bigoted white male calls you the same... That is what the rappers say with the "N-word" currently...

Drolefille 01-18-2008 04:06 AM

Quote:

The word "nappy" comes from a certain derivation to describe Africans who were enslaved. The true designs and shapes of hair from Africans transcend the nascent truth of one's one self-discovery of his or her "roots". Because there was strong salt water interaction on the slave ships the true coiffure was mangled. Then the heads were shaved as well as jewelery and other accouterments of the "savage" nature... So when the kid"napper" and enslaver choose to define your nascent self, know where it comes from and why...
According to this site: http://www.billcasselman.com/wording_room/nappy.htm
Quote:

The word nappy began its life innocently enough as the adjectival offspring of the word nap. Nap is a fuzzy surface layer on yarn or cloth. Nap is teased up or raised higher by brushing the cloth against a rough surface. Our common weed teasel is named because it was used long ago to tease up the nap on cloth. Nap on wool was often shaved off and used to fill pillows. A number of words were brought to England during the 14th and 15th centuries by Dutch weavers who came to Britain to ply their trade. One of these words from Middle Dutch was noppich , ‘nappy’ an adjective referring to cloth that had a fiber-thick surface layer that could be trimmed down or teased up and cut even
And then that this transitioned into talking about African hair.

Unfortunately nearly everything with the word Nappy in a google search comes up Don Imus. But I saw at least one other site that mentioned that the true etymology of the word isn't known.

Senusret I 01-18-2008 08:25 AM

^^^ Thank you, Drolefille.

Well, it seems as though NappyBison is confident, smart, and not easily bullied. I like her.

DaemonSeid 01-18-2008 08:49 AM

^^^^-------He is one of the nappiest headed people here....hehehehe

And sadly enough some folks need the word 'nappy' explained to just like they need the word 'ghetto' explained.



This thread reminds me of one of the times I had to 'educate' one of my more 'ig'nant melanin deficient associates on the finer points of that word usage a few years ago in Atlanta....altho no bones were broken....some feelings got seriously hurt.

KSig RC 01-18-2008 12:58 PM

Wait, the problem was some esoteric historical etymology of "nappy," and not "hoes" or the context of insulting a predominantly black team with gender- and race-based insults based on appearance?

Seriously? What a weird threadjack . . .

DaemonSeid 01-18-2008 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1583435)
Wait, the problem was some esoteric historical etymology of "nappy," and not "hoes" or the context of insulting a predominantly black team with gender- and race-based insults based on appearance?

Seriously? What a weird threadjack . . .

Ksig...you wouldn't understand ;)

DSTCHAOS 01-18-2008 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1583286)
That's what I'm saying! How come these reassigned definition words in reference to AA's seem to start with "N"?

Huh?

Whatever the case, it's okay for everyone to have opinions of the words being taken back. That doesn't mean that your opinion will matter in the grander scheme of things.

Similar to how there's a such thing as "queer studies" and a group called pinkpistols uses "f--" in some of their stuff. But the reference to "queer" and "f--" offends some homosexuals and nonhomosexuals because of their history. That doesn't mean those two words will stop being taken back and used by members of the group in question. That also doesn't mean that it becomes okay if nonhomosexuals begin to use those two words in a derogatory fashion.

DSTCHAOS 01-18-2008 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1583435)
What a weird threadjack . . .

The original topic is barely newsworthy and certainly too typical to discuss.

DSTCHAOS 01-18-2008 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NappyBison (Post 1583280)
:D ----->*In best Jim Carey voice* They like me, they really like me!!!

You're okay. At least until you get too excited and comfortable.

Then folks will shift from blowing smoke up your ass to doing what they do to other people. Maybe they'll wait until you're in college or older so they won't be typing "mean to a teen." :)

KSig RC 01-18-2008 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1583587)
The original topic is barely newsworthy and certainly too typical to discuss.

Very good point.

NappyBison 01-18-2008 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1583588)
You're okay. At least until you get too excited and comfortable.

Then folks will shift from blowing smoke up your ass to doing what they do to other people. Maybe they'll wait until you're in college or older so they won't be typing "mean to a teen." :)

^^^^Point well taken^^^^^^^

I'm just very secure with myself and I don't see any reason to be ashamed of my nappiness :D I love the word and so do thousands of other AA men and women--------------> http://www.nappturality.com

DaemonSeid 01-18-2008 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NappyBison (Post 1583626)
^^^^Point well taken^^^^^^^

I'm just very secure with myself and I don't see any reason to be ashamed of my nappiness :D I love the word and so do thousands of other AA men and women--------------> http://www.nappturality.com

digging the PAGE...may have to sign up for it!!!

been loqing my hair for 8 years march 17th and don't plan on changing anytime soon.

DSTCHAOS 01-18-2008 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NappyBison (Post 1583626)
I'm just very secure with myself and I don't see any reason to be ashamed of my nappiness :D I love the word and so do thousands of other AA men and women--------------> http://www.nappturality.com

I wasn't talking about that.

OOhsoflyDELTA#9 01-18-2008 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1583265)
I thought I was the only one who thought "awww" when they thought of Ziasha! Awwwww......

And I am SO waiting for the day when we read her "announcement" lol..... I just hope we don't have to wait too terribly long!

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1908Revelations (Post 1583270)
I KNOW!!! Now I HAVE to pm her and tell her to read this thread! LOL

Dang I thought I was the only one thinking this....she's a sharp girl...I like that.....


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