FSU Cheating Scandal
 

All I can say is, "wow"
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7592722

Ugh. I'm glad they're being public about it and not trying to sweep it under the rug. Bowden should be embarrassed.

And Bowden just got a raise. Go figure.

I know every year, every team has 1 or 2 or 3 incidents such as this, but 1/3 of the team?

I'm sure that pretty soon we will have a steroid scandal to deal with

A few of my friends got busted. (two of them being football players)
What happened is that when the athletes went to a testing center there was one tutor who went into the room with them and gave them the answers without their asking. Not that big of a deal, but FSU would rather deal with it themselves than let the NCAA get involved. This is a good excuse to revoke sub-par players' scholarships to make room for the incredible recruiting class that FSU has coming in this year.
Luckily, I got to bet money on this game a week before it was announced because some boosters told me this was coming. I'll win a lot of money betting on UK at -1, it was a good bet BEFORE the suspensions.

EXCELLENT display of school spirit. Nice loyalty.

Well, whatever the reason is for not allowing these guys to play, maybe it will do some good. Maybe, just maybe, some of the dummies who already cheat will get a clue and stop doing it, if nothing else, for the simple reason that they may not be able to play anymore.

Was this one of the two Florida teams that got into a brawl on the football field last year and resulted in suspensions? Looks like Bowden can no longer control his boys.

No, that was FIU and Miami. Was that a serious post?

If you only knew how many of our boosters bet huge money on Kentucky when they heard this news... the line for the game actually closed two days before the announcement.

My aren't you a genius!

700$ for me at Kentucky -1.


(I have friends at FSU).

Enough so to be able to distinguish between FIU and FSU...

So not only are you attesting on a public forum to the academic cheating at FSU but also widespread illegal gambling. You're flippin' brilliant, chief.

Its not illegal gambling, theres a place called Las Vegas where you're allowed to do it. Theres also this thing called the internet that you're allowed to gamble on. If you're referring to the inside tips I received, its not illegal either, this isn't the stock market. Unethical... maybe, its hard for me to feel bad taking money from the same casinos that thrive off people becoming addicted to gambling and ruining their lives. I'm going to be a big booster for FSU when I graduate so I will always be privy to this information, might as well recoup some of the money that I'm going to donate to the school now, while I can actually enjoy it (Kentucky win= bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue).
Chief.

This is not exactly settled just yet. The UIGEA has been passed but still a gray area.

Yes, if you are physically there and over the age of 21.
see below
Exactly. It's a VERY gray area. And the NCAA has worked to get even legal betting in Vegas ended on college sports, it is so strongly against it.
And there we have it. Doing your school and letters proud. (and telling the world about it, good job!)

From someone who used to play poker as a job, I can talk about the UIGEA all day and tell you that the UIGEA did not criminalize internet gambling. It was simply an attempt by the government to act like they actually care, they only succeeded in shutting down PartyPoker, and their players went to other sites.
FSU is and always will be my favorite team, I would sacrifice anything to see them back on top. 31 winning seasons in a row and having the longest bowl streak in the country speak to how phenomenal this program is, not to mention having the all time winningest coach. Right now they are rebuilding, they have the 3rd best recruiting class right now and are expecting more commits in the coming months (cant say anything specific but when the dust settles they will have a top 3 recruiting class.) It deeply pains me to see them down, even if it is just for a little bit. I know that us being down isn't the same as when Penn State is down and only wins a couple games, but that just shows that Bowden is one of the greatest coaches of all time.
Say whatever you want about my actions, the bottom line is that I made a smart bet. And do not ever take my quotes out of context again, if you want to say something then please at least have the common courtesy of showing the entire sentence and not one word. If you only knew about pride in your letters...

Ooo. LOL. 'kay.
OK, there's the rest of your sentence. Including the rest of the original sentence wouldn't have taken away from your own use of "unethical" in describing what you and the boosters you're lumping in with yourself are doing.
'Kay, here's what I want to say -- you'll sell out your home team to make a buck while professing your heartfelt love and loyalty.
But not enough to keep you from betting against them. Nice.
Ooo. Burn. And I'll take JoePa over Bowden any day. Wins don't equal class and building successful individuals in addition to a valuable program. Joe still believes his players are in school for an education first and foremost.

I still think Joe Pa should be up for sainthood:)

See? And that's from an Ohio State fan!!!! ;):D

Jo Pa is my number 3 favorite coach of all time. Only Lou Holtz and Tressel are above him.
That says a lot:D

Congratulations?

I didn't suggest that the UIGEA criminalized anything. I simply said it was a gray area.

Bobby Bowden is the best recruiter to ever live, and the second best coach (Bear Bryant).

Holy shit, would you give it a rest? Does the fact that we gamble on college sports, away from Vegas, really irritate you that much? Enough for you to respond to every sentence he wrote in multiple posts?

Also, "Widespread illegal gambling"? He's not associated with the mafia chief. Small time bookie operations are everywhere. They are common place. They are done in colleges. They are done in fraternities. They are done in everyday life. If you don't think more than a majority of people know and don't give a rat's ass about "illegal gambling" then you need a wakeup call. Hell, ESPN practically gives you a blue print every week on how to orchestrate a fantasy football season. You don't think people just play it for sticks of gum and plastic trophies do you? I just watched an entire special on ESPN devoted to picking winners for a College Bowl Pick 'Em.

.........and also, betting on college sports in Vegas will NEVER go away. Ever. The powers that be will never, in their lifetime, see that happen. Too popular, too much money.

Here, let me try: I bet on NFL football, college football, PGA golf, and college basketball on a regular basis. I use a bookie located right here in Austin. If the IRS and FBI come knock on my door because I professed this heinous "crime" on the intertronz....I'll be the first to let you know.

Nah, he seems pretty tough. He can take it.
I didn't know you were taking it personally, I was just calling the guy on betting against his beloved home team.
Oh, sorry, does that annoy you?
Sounds like a plan.

The fact that I have money riding on the game won't affect which team I cheer for. Thanks for your concern though, Nittany. Your posts remind me of arguing with my 16 year old sister.
Macallan, I appreciate someone with common sense posting in this thread.

All time is a culmination of the last 34 years, right now we have the #5 recruiting class, not bad for an unranked team. Isn't there supposed to be a mutual reverence for each others' programs here? Don't sell me out to a Big 10 poster, they don't know what real football looks like.

Same here. I generally don't bet on us (Texas) ever, but if I'm feeling that it would be a good idea to, I have no problem betting on us to win or cover.

Lesson I learned the hard way: You don't bet with your heart, you bet with your head. If that means betting against your alma mater, so be it.

Michigan State is my second favorite school, after OU, but given their record and the odds, I know better than to place a bet just because of that.

The UIGEA has no "gray area" for actually being the one placing a wager or playing poker - the bill specifically carves out exceptions for the player, and does NOT make it illegal to play/wager.

The bill is "supply-side" but not in the player sense - instead it makes it illegal for banking operations to allow transfers to known Internet gambling operations. The legality of these operations the "gray area" being referenced, but the US Gov't, for all of its bluster and talk, has consistently shown its belief that the players are not doing anything illegal, but rather the site operators are.

So yeah - continue your respective rants, but to call Internet gambling a "gray area" makes it seem like you get your information from 60 Minutes instead of the actual bill itself, which should likely be repealed about 15 minutes after a new President takes office.

I get my information from the primary source; I simply realize that not everyone on this site is an attorney. While the bill expressly prohibits those "in the business of betting or wagering" from knowingly accepting credit, EFT, or (basically) commercial paper; it excepts from that term only financial transaction providers, interactive computer services, and telecommunications services. I have never seen the "specifically carved out exception" in the text of the bill for the individual player. If it is there, I apologize for misspeaking. I note that it seems very possible to indict an individual player. However, I do agree that the intent of Congress was to close the websites and not to take legal action against the individual players. The vagueness in the language of the bill, combined with the failure to establish the directed policies and procedures, leaves a great number of questions unanswered. That is why I simply called it a “gray area.” Additionally, this is not a type of law I practice regularly and, because I live in a state where gambling is legal; it has only been a minor issue at my office.

OK - good post, and we're much more on the level here - I agree with the "pro version" almost entirely.

The bill language is, unfortunately, relatively vague - however, the current theory I've seen is that the final re-write intended to leave open the FBI's current interpretation that Internet gambling violates Federal wire fraud statutes (to the best of my knowledge, the Court has disagreed - no cite at hand, but I can possibly search if you want), while still keeping players in the clear from an official standpoint. The fact that none of the policies and procedures have even reached the outline stage is probably the most damning issue with the bill - in fact, many credit cards will still deposit to PokerStars or Bodog as a result.

I do agree with your definition of "gray area" as posed here - it certainly isn't a decided matter in the slightest. However, I think any issues with online sports betting from the player's end would mostly come with availability of funds and a lack of surety from the more easily accessed sites - not everyone is using the RBS to keep funds "clean" and available - and less with legality. Calvin Ayre is the fish here, not the players, according to almost everything that's been put forward that I have seen. Hopefully, it doesn't even matter much longer - honestly, the UIGEA is one of the most mind-numbingly bad pieces of legislation I've had the opportunity to follow, not that I'm a pro by any means.

I love it. I wouldn't pay for my son to apply to UF either. Looking back I have a hard time deciding if I would rather beat BC or have Matt Ryan win the Heisman over Tebow.

^^^ Now children, learn to play nicely in the Florida sandbox

We aren't saying anything mean.