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Honeykiss1974 11-29-2007 11:28 AM

Sean Taylor: Death by the Black KKK??
 
Taylor's death a grim reminder for us all
By Jason Whitlock

There's a reason I call them the Black KKK. The pain, the fear and the destruction are all the same.

Someone who loved Sean Taylor is crying right now. The life they knew has been destroyed, an 18-month-old baby lost her father, and, if you're a black man living in America, you've been reminded once again that your life is in constant jeopardy of violent death.

The Black KKK claimed another victim, a high-profile professional football player with a checkered past this time.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7...PHCP&GT1=10637

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What do you think?

Ten/Four 11-29-2007 11:57 AM

I'm really bothered by this article. I don't like the term "Black KKK." The writer's use of the term is not the same as what the KKK did. The KKK commits hate crimes and propagranda mostly based on race. The so-called "Black KKK" is not committing crimes based on race. It could be over anything.

I'll refrain from calling this article stupid because I know it's more of an opinion piece, but once again someone needs to pull Jason Whitlock aside and explain the power of having a voice in the press.

ESPN's Jemele Hill had a slightly different take on it. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...ge=hill/071127

DSTCHAOS 11-29-2007 12:33 PM

I read this dumb article yesterday. I agree with much of what Ten/Four typed.

The issue is with crime and a race-crime relationship that also applies to white-on-white crime. Black-on-black crime is disproportionately elevated when you add socioeconomic status to the mix.

The "KKK" catchphrase was used to sensationalize the issue and get this dumb journalist some "notoriety."

Blessed2bDST 11-29-2007 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honeykiss1974 (Post 1554603)
Taylor's death a grim reminder for us all
By Jason Whitlock

There's a reason I call them the Black KKK. The pain, the fear and the destruction are all the same.

Someone who loved Sean Taylor is crying right now. The life they knew has been destroyed, an 18-month-old baby lost her father, and, if you're a black man living in America, you've been reminded once again that your life is in constant jeopardy of violent death.

The Black KKK claimed another victim, a high-profile professional football player with a checkered past this time.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7...PHCP&GT1=10637

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What do you think?

Jason Whitlock is full of it -- a columnist who should not be taken seriously. He's a self-loathing blowhard who couldn't hit the point with a bat.

christiangirl 11-29-2007 01:57 PM

Beautiful acted and a lovely piece of entertainment. 4 stars.

Honeykiss1974 11-29-2007 03:39 PM

I've never heard of this columnist until this morning when a co-worker sent me a link to this article. He wanted to know what I thought and this (he is white) and I told him that it was just nice rhetoric but that was about it. Every ethnic culture has positive aspects and negative aspects of it but in this country, news medias and other influencial outlets in this country chooses to focus on the later because that is what sells papers (including his article), influence news ratings, and drive trends/clothing sales.

ladygreek 11-29-2007 05:26 PM

Considering where he was shot, I still think the girlfriend did it or arranged it.

pinkies up 11-29-2007 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1554882)
Considering where he was shot, I still think the girlfriend did it or arranged it.

Sistergreek, we are ----->here<-------:cool:

How likely is it that she would hide under the covers WITH the baby and she didn't see anything? C'mon, her story isn't adding up. If someone broke into your home and they even thought you saw something, they'd try to shoot you too.

Velocity_14 11-29-2007 11:54 PM

^^^Exactly! As soon as I heard the story I was like the girlfriend is suspect!! My question is...if it was a robbery...what did they take besides an innocent man's life?

And "Black KKK"...Lawd, they are about to get me started.

But for real, as my soror and sistergreek said....somethin ain't right...

ladygreek 11-30-2007 01:23 AM

I knew a dude whose wife shot him "there" (she didn't hit an artery) because he had been cheating on her.

TonyB06 11-30-2007 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1554658)
The issue is with crime and a race-crime relationship that also applies to white-on-white crime. Black-on-black crime is disproportionately elevated when you add socioeconomic status to the mix.

The "KKK" catchphrase was used to sensationalize the issue and get this dumb journalist some "notoriety."

yep, what she said.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honeykiss1974 (Post 1554791)
I've never heard of this columnist until this morning when a co-worker sent me a link to this article. He wanted to know what I thought and this (he is white) and I told him that it was just nice rhetoric but that was about it. Every ethnic culture has positive aspects and negative aspects of it but in this country, news medias and other influencial outlets in this country chooses to focus on the later because that is what sells papers (including his article), influence news ratings, and drive trends/clothing sales.

Whitlock has long been considered a bit of a "maverick" in sports media circles. Columnists, unlike reporters, generate buzz by reaction to their comments -- thus a whole genre of program like "The Sports Reporters" (misnamed) and Pardon the Interruption.

He is zealous in presenting the "counter opinion," usually about African American athletes and culture. Yet I've have yet to see him make the same overly broad, illogical assumptions about the whole of white society when white athletes are shown in unflattering lights.

Sure he can call out the behavior of 4 or 5 NFL athletes and the role "culture" plays in what they do, but he leaves besmirched the 1,200 other black men in the NFL (roughly 75 percent) who are doing the right thing.

CrimsonTide4 11-30-2007 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1554882)
Considering where he was shot, I still think the girlfriend did it or arranged it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1554995)
Sistergreek, we are ----->here<-------:cool:

How likely is it that she would hide under the covers WITH the baby and she didn't see anything? C'mon, her story isn't adding up. If someone broke into your home and they even thought you saw something, they'd try to shoot you too.

The full story will come out on Snapped by 2009. But yes, from my years of watching Snapped, I too suspect Jackie is culpable. You don't hide under no blankets when bullets are flying.:rolleyes:

Benzgirl 11-30-2007 12:34 PM

I just saw on TV where Jackie's uncle is Actor Andy Garcia.

DSTCHAOS 11-30-2007 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonTide4 (Post 1555326)
The full story will come out on Snapped by 2009. But yes, from my years of watching Snapped, I too suspect Jackie is culpable. You don't hide under no blankets when bullets are flying.:rolleyes:

Welp, let me go erase my shhpil on socioeconomic stuff.

Snapped is the show!

CrimsonTide4 11-30-2007 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1555449)
Welp, let me go erase my shhpil on socioeconomic stuff.

Snapped is the show!

Yes, it is! I am amazed at how these women do the dumbest isht to kill a man and get caught. I think next Snapped should be about women who kill their kids -- might be harder to take but it is worth profiling.

OOhsoflyDELTA#9 11-30-2007 06:22 PM

they have 3 men/boys in custody for questioning concerning the murder...from what the article says they knew a NFL player lived there and thats why they targeted the house...Sean had a machette in his hand when they burst in the room maybe the gunman panicked or something....they also searched the home of one of them for items from the house...it doesn't look like its a "Snapped" moment yet but we'll see I guess....

delph998 12-01-2007 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonTide4 (Post 1555326)
The full story will come out on Snapped by 2009. But yes, from my years of watching Snapped, I too suspect Jackie is culpable. You don't hide under no blankets when bullets are flying.:rolleyes:


So true! I just watched two episodes of this earlier today. It's pretty deep.

CrimsonTide4 12-01-2007 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OOhsoflyDELTA#9 (Post 1555539)
they have 3 men/boys in custody for questioning concerning the murder...from what the article says they knew a NFL player lived there and thats why they targeted the house...Sean had a machette in his hand when they burst in the room maybe the gunman panicked or something....they also searched the home of one of them for items from the house...it doesn't look like its a "Snapped" moment yet but we'll see I guess....

The Snapped don't necessarily have to pull the trigger. She could have hired those three to do the job to make her look less guilty, i.e. a woman in Oklahoma.

pinkies up 12-01-2007 05:45 PM

There was a girl back in my hometown who was with her man. Three men came into the house and killed him. She said they were sitting on the couch when the guys came in, but they didn't see her because she ran into the closet and hid. She claimed since she was in the closet hiding she didn't see or hear anything. She said she came out and her man was dead. She really played the role, especially since she was preggars with the guy's baby. Things just didn't look right.

Come to find out, the men were related to the girl, and she was charged with setting the whole thing up. She was upset because the guy had gotten another woman pregnant and she didn't want him paying child support to her.

That's a dayum Snapped episode if I ever saw one!

ladygreek 12-01-2007 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OOhsoflyDELTA#9 (Post 1555539)
they have 3 men/boys in custody for questioning concerning the murder...from what the article says they knew a NFL player lived there and thats why they targeted the house...Sean had a machette in his hand when they burst in the room maybe the gunman panicked or something....they also searched the home of one of them for items from the house...it doesn't look like its a "Snapped" moment yet but we'll see I guess....

Some articles don't mention the machette. The latest one I read about the arrests is that the perps didn't expect anybody to be home. What I don't get is when they realized someone was, why didn't they just leave?

It said Sean locked the bedroom door, so obviously he wasn't going to confront them. But then they kicked the door in. Oh and hiding under the bedding rather than the bed seems a little suspicious to me, too. Afterall they would see the outline of a body in the bed.

CrimsonTide4 12-01-2007 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1555978)
There was a girl back in my hometown who was with her man. Three men came into the house and killed him. She said they were sitting on the couch when the guys came in, but they didn't see her because she ran into the closet and hid. She claimed since she was in the closet hiding she didn't see or hear anything. She said she came out and her man was dead. She really played the role, especially since she was preggars with the guy's baby. Things just didn't look right.

Come to find out, the men were related to the girl, and she was charged with setting the whole thing up. She was upset because the guy had gotten another woman pregnant and she didn't want him paying child support to her.

That's a dayum Snapped episode if I ever saw one!

Can you call and recommend it? That's seriously a stupid azz reason to have someone killed. So now the baby doesn't have a father around ever because of child support?

OOhsoflyDELTA#9 12-01-2007 11:34 PM

yeah I know all these are a possibility but he would seem to be more valuable to her alive since they weren't married yet...it seems obvious to me that the attackers weren't intending to kill anyone or they would have shot Sean again after the leg wound...I don't know, it I'm ususally a critic but this one doesn't sound like a "hummmmm" case to me yet...especially since the house had been broken into before recently...where was the baby during the invasion? I wouldn't have hid anywhere if my child was in a different room and someone broke in, I'm going where my baby is, but maybe thats just me...


ETA: Just read another article on Fox Sports...the police have confessions from 2 of the 4 boys...two have ties to Sean...one use to cut his grass and do odd jobs around the house another was the cousin of his sister's old boyfriend...both had been inside the home, one at a birthday party a couple of months ago...the lawyer of one boy said that they thought he would be away playing not knowing that he was injured and home for the week...they were charged with unpredmeditated murder or something like that...its sad that Sean had hired one of the boys and this is how he was repaid...senseless because 5 Black men have had their lives ruined, one with an early death....

pinkies up 12-02-2007 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonTide4 (Post 1556029)
Can you call and recommend it? That's seriously a stupid azz reason to have someone killed. So now the baby doesn't have a father around ever because of child support?

Exactly! The thing is she got off because of the fact she cooperated with the police. In fact, she only served a couple of months instead of the life sentences her family members got.

jitterbug13 12-02-2007 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1555449)

Snapped is the show!

I love Snapped too! Even though I agree with CT4 on some of the reasons why these women kill their husbands/lovers/etc, some of them are justifiable (like the one who shot her husband because he was raping her daughter and got her pregnant).

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1555978)
There was a girl back in my hometown who was with her man. Three men came into the house and killed him. She said they were sitting on the couch when the guys came in, but they didn't see her because she ran into the closet and hid. She claimed since she was in the closet hiding she didn't see or hear anything. She said she came out and her man was dead. She really played the role, especially since she was preggars with the guy's baby. Things just didn't look right.

Come to find out, the men were related to the girl, and she was charged with setting the whole thing up. She was upset because the guy had gotten another woman pregnant and she didn't want him paying child support to her.

That's a dayum Snapped episode if I ever saw one!

CALL. OXYGEN. NOW. :D :p

DSTCHAOS 12-02-2007 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jitterbug13 (Post 1556372)
some of them are justifiable (like the one who shot her husband because he was raping her daughter and got her pregnant).

That's not justifiable. That's vigilante justice. Or as some people would call it "a crime of passion."

It would be different if she caught her husband in the act and was protecting her daughter at that time.

TonyB06 12-03-2007 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OOhsoflyDELTA#9 (Post 1556104)
yeah I know all these are a possibility but he would seem to be more valuable to her alive since they weren't married yet...it seems obvious to me that the attackers weren't intending to kill anyone or they would have shot Sean again after the leg wound...I don't know, it I'm ususally a critic but this one doesn't sound like a "hummmmm" case to me yet...especially since the house had been broken into before recently...where was the baby during the invasion? I wouldn't have hid anywhere if my child was in a different room and someone broke in, I'm going where my baby is, but maybe thats just me...


ETA: Just read another article on Fox Sports...the police have confessions from 2 of the 4 boys...two have ties to Sean...one use to cut his grass and do odd jobs around the house another was the cousin of his sister's old boyfriend...both had been inside the home, one at a birthday party a couple of months ago...the lawyer of one boy said that they thought he would be away playing not knowing that he was injured and home for the week...they were charged with unpredmeditated murder or something like that...its sad that Sean had hired one of the boys and this is how he was repaid...senseless because 5 Black men have had their lives ruined, one with an early death....

Most "burglaries" occur during the middle of the day, when the expectation is that the home is empty. didn't this occur during the middle of the night....when most homes are reasonably expected to be occupied with sleeping people?

CrimsonTide4 12-03-2007 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OOhsoflyDELTA#9 (Post 1556104)
yeah I know all these are a possibility but he would seem to be more valuable to her alive since they weren't married yet...it seems obvious to me that the attackers weren't intending to kill anyone or they would have shot Sean again after the leg wound...I don't know, it I'm ususally a critic but this one doesn't sound like a "hummmmm" case to me yet...especially since the house had been broken into before recently...where was the baby during the invasion? I wouldn't have hid anywhere if my child was in a different room and someone broke in, I'm going where my baby is, but maybe thats just me...


ETA: Just read another article on Fox Sports...the police have confessions from 2 of the 4 boys...two have ties to Sean...one use to cut his grass and do odd jobs around the house another was the cousin of his sister's old boyfriend...both had been inside the home, one at a birthday party a couple of months ago...the lawyer of one boy said that they thought he would be away playing not knowing that he was injured and home for the week...they were charged with unpredmeditated murder or something like that...its sad that Sean had hired one of the boys and this is how he was repaid...senseless because 5 Black men have had their lives ruined, one with an early death....

She's the mother of his child so since the child will be taken care of so will the mother.

People don't know how to stake out first prior to committing the crime anymore?

nikki1920 12-03-2007 11:30 AM

Nope. These were dumb, impressionable children, who have now thrown away at least the next 25 years, if not their lives, for what? Nothing.

ladygreek 12-03-2007 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nikki1920 (Post 1556678)
Nope. These were dumb, impressionable children, who have now thrown away at least the next 25 years, if not their lives, for what? Nothing.

I don't consider them children.

jitterbug13 12-03-2007 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1556424)
That's not justifiable. That's vigilante justice. Or as some people would call it "a crime of passion."

It would be different if she caught her husband in the act and was protecting her daughter at that time.

Well, she kind of did. The daughter showed the mother a tape of the stepdad raping her. Killing someone is wrong, but I think with that story, you can't totally blame her because of the severity of the stiutation and trying to protect your kids.

DSTCHAOS 12-04-2007 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jitterbug13 (Post 1557148)
Well, she kind of did. The daughter showed the mother a tape of the stepdad raping her. Killing someone is wrong, but I think with that story, you can't totally blame her because of the severity of the stiutation and trying to protect your kids.

She didn't catch him and she wasn't defending her daughter in real-time.

She would get a lesser charge and sentence because of the circumstances. She may even get off in some courts. But, she's still a vigilante and that's not acceptable.

jitterbug13 12-04-2007 07:53 PM

^^^
Actually, she pretty much walked away from the charges, except for probation (I think).

I should have used a better example: A lady who was pregnant was attacked by another woman who wanted her baby. The pregnant lady killed the other one in self defense.

pinkies up 12-05-2007 12:36 AM

Jitterbug, I agree with you. If anybody touches 'an one of my babies, all sanity goes out of the window. It may be vigilante justice, but in the words of my man Samuel L. Jackson, "Yes I killed 'em and I hope they burn in hell".

Steeltrap 12-18-2007 09:33 PM

Jase Whitlock would have some credibility if he didn't whore himself out to institutions that don't have our best interests in mind.

TonyB06 12-19-2007 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steeltrap (Post 1565485)
Jase Whitlock would have some credibility if he didn't whore himself out to institutions that don't have our best interests in mind.

I think I love you. I have been feeling some kind of way about this dude's perspectives for a minute now, and I think you just put your finger right on it. ..but then again, columnists, unlike reporters, are paid to stir it up, generate buzz.

only one thing left to ask: is Jason Whitlock his real gub'ment name? lol

Steeltrap 12-19-2007 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyB06 (Post 1565721)
I think I love you. I have been feeling some kind of way about this dude's perspectives for a minute now, and I think you just put your finger right on it. ..but then again, columnists, unlike reporters, are paid to stir it up, generate buzz.

only one thing left to ask: is Jason Whitlock his real gub'ment name? lol

CTFU. Yes, Jason Whitlock is the gentleman's real gubmint name, as far as I know.

JW can spread his message to a lot of our institutions if he chooses to do so. As you're aware, not everyone in the AfAm community is a straight up and down leftist. There are people in the center (as I am) and even on the right.

And it's true that pure columnists are paid to get people talking. I write a column as part of my reporting duties, but I make sure that I keep myself out of it because it's more of a news roundup thing.

TonyB06 12-19-2007 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steeltrap (Post 1565817)
CTFU. Yes, Jason Whitlock is the gentleman's real gubmint name, as far as I know.

JW can spread his message to a lot of our institutions if he chooses to do so. As you're aware, not everyone in the AfAm community is a straight up and down leftist. There are people in the center (as I am) and even on the right.

And it's true that pure columnists are paid to get people talking. I write a column as part of my reporting duties, but I make sure that I keep myself out of it because it's more of a news roundup thing.


I agree. I think it's his sweeping assumptions that anyone who doesn't share his position is somehow an apologist for what he deems "counter-culture" behavior. Somebody needs to tell dude that black folk were on the self-help tip long before Larry Elder, Walter Washington, and of late, Bill Cosby, came along. :)

I have friends who send me his columns all the time. Knowing where he's coming from, they're usually deleted....unopened.


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