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carnation 10-20-2007 11:29 AM

Rowling Outs Dumbledore
 
http://news.aol.com/entertainment/st...00010000000001

LOL. Odd that she outed him after the series was completed!

AlwaysSAI 10-20-2007 11:47 AM

Why does it matter if a character in a book series is gay?? Who cares? It's not even a real person......some figment of Rowling's imagination.

Then again, i never got into HP.

But, yeah, I saw it on the news this morning, too.

Tom Earp 10-20-2007 01:55 PM

Always on the cutting edge isn't she?

Oh, with scads of $$$$$$$:D

Drolefille 10-20-2007 02:27 PM

I think it's interesting, she didn't just pull it out of nowhere and it works with the plot of the books. It's just not something that you'd ever need to explicitly say in a novel. Nice.

Senusret I 10-20-2007 03:11 PM

It's pretty silly for an author to "out" a character in a book.

As a writer myself, I understand that when you're writing a series, you also have a "bible" that is sorta like the sourcebook for your characters. In this bible, you may not use EVERY single tidbit in your novels, but you write with those tidbits in your conscious mind.

But there comes a point where you have to commit to the ideas. If your series is written and it was never important enough -- in SEVEN books -- to say that Dumbledore was gay, then I think one should just allow the reader to come to their own conclusions.

It's quite possible to give any novel a "queer reading." It cheapens the work when the author does all the thinking for you.

sageofages 10-20-2007 07:31 PM

I always saw Dumbledore as sort of asexual in his sexual orientation.

Yes his gender was male...but in absence of any real relationship references I put him in the "never" category as it really didn't seem to be an important part of his character development.

AlexMack 10-20-2007 09:35 PM

OMG stop the presses this changes everything!

DaemonSeid 10-22-2007 08:23 AM

I don't see the reason why she had to tell us all of this.....

FSUZeta 10-22-2007 09:01 AM

perhaps to sell yet more books?

Drolefille 10-22-2007 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta (Post 1540249)
perhaps to sell yet more books?

I seriously doubt this woman needs to sell more books.

ForeverRoses 10-22-2007 09:12 AM

well I guess this is one more reason for people to want to ban her books.

Let the book burning begin! (when I imagine book burning, I see the book burning scene from Footloose)

SydneyK 10-22-2007 09:56 AM

Perhaps I misunderstood the article I read (it wasn't the one linked to in this thread), but I thought she outed Dumbledore simply because the director of the sixth movie intended to include a scene involving a previous love interest (a girl). In order to keep the characters in the movies in line with the (main) characters she created, she felt the need to tell the director that Dumbledore wouldn't have had a female love interest.

Buttonz 10-22-2007 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SydneyK (Post 1540272)
Perhaps I misunderstood the article I read (it wasn't the one linked to in this thread), but I thought she outed Dumbledore simply because the director of the sixth movie intended to include a scene involving a previous love interest (a girl). In order to keep the characters in the movies in line with the (main) characters she created, she felt the need to tell the director that Dumbledore wouldn't have had a female love interest.

I saw that as well

MysticCat 10-22-2007 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1540239)
I don't see the reason why she had to tell us all of this.....

Because someone asked her the question. And, as SydneyK and Buttonz said, because it had come up during the filming of HBP.

TrojanWoman 10-22-2007 02:28 PM

I also didn't see how this information changed things in the books a great deal. I agree with sageofages that I saw Dumbledore as asexual. But the movies take a little bit more freedom with the story and I think it came up because JK didn't want them to show Dumbledore having a female love interest.

Drolefille 10-22-2007 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TrojanWoman (Post 1540402)
I also didn't see how this information changed things in the books a great deal. I agree with sageofages that I saw Dumbledore as asexual. But the movies take a little bit more freedom with the story and I think it came up because JK didn't want them to show Dumbledore having a female love interest.

Realistically though I think we think of most elderly people as asexual. (Except Sue on the Sunday Night Sex Show!) We probably assume they're straight, but if they're single for whatever reason, there's not really any sexuality assumed.

PeppyGPhiB 10-24-2007 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses (Post 1540254)
well I guess this is one more reason for people to want to ban her books.

Let the book burning begin! (when I imagine book burning, I see the book burning scene from Footloose)


Let's DAAAANCE!
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...otloose200.jpg

I tried to find a photo of the book burning, but drat. If you enter "footloose" into Google Images, a crazy entertaining mix of photos come up! When did Footloose become a stage musical?

ZTABullwinkle 10-24-2007 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1541398)
Let's DAAAANCE!
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...otloose200.jpg

I tried to find a photo of the book burning, but drat. If you enter "footloose" into Google Images, a crazy entertaining mix of photos come up! When did Footloose become a stage musical?

Rumor has it that they are remaking the movie with Zac Efron playing the lead rold Kevin Bacon played. Why mess with the original? Are the screenwriters having such a hard time coming up with new ideas for movies?

/end hijack

texas*princess 10-24-2007 09:47 PM

I think she did it because her series is over and she's an attention-whore like some Hollywood starlets.

LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! ONE OF MY CHARACTERS WAS GAY!

meh.. I never got into the whole HP thing. What was his mom smoking when she named her kid Dumbledore anyway?:p

Drolefille 10-24-2007 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by texas*princess (Post 1541563)
I think she did it because her series is over and she's an attention-whore like some Hollywood starlets.

LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! ONE OF MY CHARACTERS WAS GAY!

meh.. I never got into the whole HP thing. What was his mom smoking when she named her kid Dumbledore anyway?:p

Lol, I just want to know how Lupin's parents knew he'd be a werewolf... or Sirius' parents knew he'd choose a dog as his animagi alter ego.

SydneyK 10-24-2007 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by texas*princess (Post 1541563)
What was his mom smoking when she named her kid Dumbledore anyway?:p

She married into that name; Dumbledore was his last name. His full name was Albus Percival Dumbledore. (Actually, I think there were a couple other names in there, but I don't remember what they were.)

MysticCat 10-25-2007 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1541573)
Lol, I just want to know how Lupin's parents knew he'd be a werewolf... or Sirius' parents knew he'd choose a dog as his animagi alter ego.

Well, what's the point in being magical if you don't have at least some hunches about what will turn out to be appropriate names for your kids. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by SydneyK (Post 1541574)
She married into that name; Dumbledore was his last name. His full name was Albus Percival Dumbledore. (Actually, I think there were a couple other names in there, but I don't remember what they were.)

Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore.

Trivia point: JKR has said that she derived some of the "magical structure" of the books from alchemy (starting with the Philosopher's stone). In alchemy, there are three stages:

nigredo (blackening): individuation, purification, burnout of impureness;
albedo (whitening): spiritualization, enlightenment
rubedo (reddening): unification of man with God, unification of the limited with the unlimited.

Note that the three stages are reflected in the names of three major charecters -- nigredo (Sirius Black), albedo (Albus Dumbledore), and rubedo (Rubeus Hagrid).


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