Princeton University Greeks
 

Hello,

I am trying to re charter a chapter of Sigma Chi at Princeton University and I need some help with regards to the unique Greek system that I know doesn't exist on Princeton. I know they have Greeks, but not associated with the school.

If anyone could help me or put me in contact with some sororities presidents that would be great. Please PM me.

Thank you,

Regards,
Nick

When you say Greeks are there, I take it you mean either underground of locals?

You National would be the best source of information on their feelings. They do make the final decission.:)

Hey Tom, as to sororities, there are three NPC sororities with chapters at Princeton.

They are not underground or locals. The chapters are NIC and NPC chapters, recognized by their national headquarters, but not by the stupid dumb doody headed school.

How would nationals recognize them without the university recognizing them?? That makes no sense to me at all!

Not sure how it works, but it does. Harvard and Santa Clara are also like this. Although, I didn't think Princeton was. We can't even mention the university's name associated with our chapters!

It seems to me that a national org wouldn't place a chapter on a campus that wouldn't recognize it though... Are they even allowed to advertise recruitment? They couldn't do formal with no Greek Life office and no campus Panhel...

That's why the NPHC has city-wide chapters. They are not based on any one campus. My org's chapter there includes Princeton, College of New Jersey and Rider University.

My understanding is that university recognition is not required by Sigma Chi Fraternity IHQ as well.

FYI: This would be re-charter of Sigma Chi's Sigma Chapter which was originally chartered in 1869.

I *think* I know one of the charter members of that chapter.

They were charted in 1991. Google their website--Rho Epsilon, the names are listed. ;)

I'm actually in a fraternity at Princeton University (PKS)... if you want to ask me any questions feel free to PM me

Because it's worth it to them to have a chapter at Princeton/Harvard. They wouldn't necessarily make that kind of exception for West Hooterville U.
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You really should think about editing this to say please PM me and remove your e-mail account ASAP.

Princeton doesn't recognize fraternities because we have Eating Clubs on campus that serve a similar function, so the University sees frats and sororities as groups intended to haze.

our frat ran a philanthropy event last semester where we raised $6000 for the Leukemia and Lymphoma society, but we had to officially do it through the Hawaii Club, because we couldn't use the university property to host it unless it was a recognized club.

sort of dumb really

I know that. The previous poster's question was why the nationals would agree to sponsor an unrecognized chapter, not why the university doesn't recognize the chapters.

But while we're on the topic, the eating clubs are not the reason Princeton doesn't recognize its Greeks. The Princeton administration would love to get rid of the eating clubs, too. Harvard has exactly the same policy about Greeks that Princeton does, even though 99% of the kids eat in the dining halls.
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I'm a Greek alumna of Princeton. Feel free to PM me if you wish.

which fraternity? feel free to PM me if you don't want to put that on here

Kappa Alpha Theta. Back in the old days. . . :rolleyes:

So, the chapters that allow it, allow it because of the prestige of having a chapter at an Ivy Leage school? I mean, I understand it, but it still seems strange to me. How are the membership numbers for the groups on those campuses - I mean, due to the fact that they probably can't advertise events or recruitment on campus. How does recruitment for NPC groups work anyway...? And I'm guessing on your websites, you can list the chapter letters but not the campus you're at...?

They can have a college Panhellenic and IFC, they just organize it themselves without help from faculty advisors and not in college facilities. They can run rush - formal or informal - exactly like they would anyplace else. It just isn't in a school building, it's in the eating clubs which are privately owned.

What's all this about eating clubs...?? Going to chow hall and eating together?

Eating Clubs article on Wikipedia ;)

i was curious myself, and found this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_...ton_University)

seems a lot like Greek life:confused:

ah, beat me to it:p

Just because you don't say something, doesn't mean it isn't implied. Thanks Melly and Mary!

Membership numbers are pretty strong given the circumstances the chapters are working with. Operating off-campus is a challenge, and the competition from other extracurricular activities for students' time is unbelievable.
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So I just read up on Eating Clubs - weird!!! They're like, selective student union buildings but in really nice digs! So, the university recognizes these but not Greeks? I'm just amazed, I guess. I would think they'd be more open to service and leadership orgs than fancy student unions but what do I know, lol.

Low C, I can imagine other groups in general would pose a competition to GLOs for members - they do at all schools to a degree but it made me wonder if it was harder at schools such as these... but I'm glad to hear that membership is strong despite that. You've gotta be pretty organized to form and control an off-campus Panhel and IFC, etc. Props to Princeton (and others who do this)!

I don't understand why this is "weird" to you -- it's different and unique. They are sort of our "cousins" in the fraternal sense. I'm sure those GC members who are eating club alums don't appreciate your assessment of their organizations.

It's my opinon - lighten up!

I believe it is an opinion that is insensitive. I hope you can respect my right to express my displeasure at that opinion, especially since it is relevant to the topic.

I would appreciate it if you didn't tell me to lighten up as I am merely participating in the conversation as you are.

That really opens up memembership possiblities then! But do you have to be in college to join - I mean, are there limitations? I know NPC orgs are only open to those who are attending/have attended 4 year universities - is it different for your org (or D9 orgs in general)?

To be invited to membership in a collegiate chapter of an NPHC organization, you must at least be a second semester freshman, matriculating at one of the campuses on the charter for that chapter.

For alumni initiates, you typically must possess a bachelors degree.

I'm surprised you didn't know this.

I just think you're reading too much into what I say and making this more personal than the discussion needs to be. I think the concept of eating clubs is strange (even the name sounds funny to me - it sounded like a club who prepares for hot dog eating competitions or something) but that's because my school never had such a thing. Heck, GLOs weren't even that big on my campus! If they're offended because I went to a different school and think a tradition on their campus is weird, so be it. Then they're too sensitive. I'm sure some GMU traditions might seem weird to them, and I wouldn't be offended if they thought so. I don't think weird has this hugely negative conotation anyway... :rolleyes:

LadyGreek said she had city wide chapters instead of collegiate chapters - so naturally that confused me a little. And how would I know this - I'm in an NPC org and I haven't been on GC that long so I don't know much about NPHC orgs - they exist at GMU but they're pretty discrete about their activities outside the step show by the clock.

I don't believe I'm reading too much into what you said at all.

I feel that we as members of fraternities and sororities can and should make every attempt to be as understanding and accepting of fraternal differences as we seek to be understood and accepted by the general public.

Freedom of association is under attack in many places and it doesn't help to have fellow greeks labeling other fraternal differences as "strange" or "weird."

They are different because you have not been exposed to them.

City-wide chapters are collegiate chapters.

Different, weird, potato, potata, whatever. Semantics. It's my opinion, that's all. I didn't call them freaks or some other negative label. I think the concept of eating clubs is strange but I assume it grew out of a need for some sort of Greek system that they don't currently have (recognized at least) so it makes sense that they exist in the first place.

It's a free country - I should be able to speak my mind without fear of getting attacked - does GC exist outside of the U.S. and someone forgot to tell me?? Oh wait, I forgot it's customary to jump on people on GC who have a different opinion than you...

to add on to this, but if there isnt a city-wide chapter, some ppl cross-pledge, if the school doesnt have a chapter, but there is a chapter near by. for example, my boy who is FA05, he crossed Syracuse's chapter cuz his school doesnt have a chapter.