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takemewitu 10-08-2007 04:35 AM

Would race matter
 
I am transferring to a new school next semester because I'm coming from a community college and they do not have Greek life. My problem is beside being a junior, is that I'm Asian. The school that I'm transferring to is made up of at least 80% Caucasians. Also when i visit each of the sororities website, I notice that the girls that join are all Caucasian. Would being a different race be a disadvantaged to me when i rush? Would the girls feel that since I look different i would not fit in?

KyleMcGuire1983 10-08-2007 05:10 AM

I sure would hope not.

Unregistered- 10-08-2007 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by takemewitu (Post 1534751)
I am transferring to a new school next semester because I'm coming from a community college and they do not have Greek life. My problem is beside being a junior, is that I'm Asian. The school that I'm transferring to is made up of at least 80% Caucasians. Also when i visit each of the sororities website, I notice that the girls that join are all Caucasian. Would being a different race be a disadvantaged to me when i rush? Would the girls feel that since I look different i would not fit in?

YOU CONSIDER BEING ASIAN A PROBLEM? :eek: :rolleyes: I must have not received that memo when I (also an Asian) joined my predominantly Caucasian sorority years ago.

Instead of paying attention to numbers and percentages and stuff you see on websites, just go through recruitment and get to know the members and see for yourself. Just because the pictures you see all have Caucasian girls does not mean they look down on Asians.

Depending on which campus you'll be transferring to and how competitive recruitment is, being a junior may or may not affect your chances of getting a bid. Make sure your grades meet the sororities' standards and make sure you're prepared for recruitment. There are lots of recruitment advice threads here that you might find useful. Don't waste your time worrying about the petty stuff.

carnation 10-08-2007 06:29 AM

Three of my daughters, who are Asian, have pledged "historically white" sororities in the past 5 years. In addition, they have all won awards (such as Homecoming Court) that the student bodies of their schools or their sororities had to vote on.

DSTCHAOS 10-08-2007 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1534753)
YOU CONSIDER BEING ASIAN A PROBLEM? :eek: :rolleyes: I must have not received that memo when I (also an Asian) joined my predominantly Caucasian sorority years ago.



LOL.


Asian Americans stopped being an ostracized and excluded racial and ethnic minority group years ago. When studies of employment, residential, and educational exclusion are conducted, Asians are typically not one of the groups with the disparities. Asians are now considered the "model minority" and the stereotypes of Asians are deemed mostly positive stereotypes (many people think being stereotyped as smart is a positive stereotype with no negative effects--I disagree). So unless this young lady is entrenched in traditional Asian culture and language to create a culture clash, she will most likely assimilate into whatever the scene of that Caucasian sorority is.

DSTRen13 10-08-2007 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1534794)
LOL.


Asian Americans stopped being an ostracized and excluded racial and ethnic minority group years ago. When studies of employment, residential, and educational exclusion are conducted, Asians are typically not one of the groups with the disparities. Asians are now considered the "model minority" and the stereotypes of Asians are deemed mostly positive stereotypes (many people think being stereotyped as smart is a positive stereotype with no negative effects--I disagree). So unless this young lady is entrenched in traditional Asian culture and language to create a culture clash, she will most likely assimilate into whatever the scene of that Caucasian sorority is.

It still does depend on the area - almost anywhere you go, it's not an issue. (And why on earth you would transfer to one of those rare places that it is, I don't know ... )

starang21 10-08-2007 10:05 AM

just don't let people in the fact that you can do triple integrals and differential equations in your head, and you'll be just fine.



and don't skip on tree tops, either.

that would bode negatively for you.

starang21 10-08-2007 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by takemewitu (Post 1534751)
My problem is that I'm Asian.

i'm sooooooo not sure how to take this.

mulattogyrl 10-08-2007 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1534801)
and don't skip on tree tops, either.

LMAO!

DSTCHAOS 10-08-2007 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTRen13 (Post 1534800)
It still does depend on the area - almost anywhere you go, it's not an issue. (And why on earth you would transfer to one of those rare places that it is, I don't know ... )

Exactly. And it probably won't be an issue where she goes.

DSTCHAOS 10-08-2007 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1534802)
i'm sooooooo not sure how to take this.

Being Asian is a problem. Deal with it.

You know some Asians have been getting that eye surgery to remove the slanting and doing other things to appear more "white." They deserve public ridicule.

starang21 10-08-2007 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1534806)
Being Asian is a problem. Deal with it.

You know some Asians have been getting that eye surgery to remove the slanting and doing other things to appear more "white." They deserve public ridicule.

i know i've done it. i even had peroxide treatment to lighten my skin. apparently my beautiful olive tone wasn't good enough to snag the white girls, so i had to go with more extreme measures.

DSTCHAOS 10-08-2007 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1534811)
i know i've done it. i even had peroxide treatment to lighten my skin. apparently my beautiful olive tone wasn't good enough to snag the white girls, so i had to go with more extreme measures.

Well you know you don't look like the "type of Asian" that a lot of people think of when they think "Asian."

So if you had said your olive skin was because you were Spanish or Italian, you would be set for life. Your other features could be overlooked I guess.

Filipino snack.

Benzgirl 10-08-2007 10:26 AM

We had Asian girls in our house over 25 years ago, and we never thought twice about it back then.

smiley21 10-08-2007 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1534811)
i know i've done it. i even had peroxide treatment to lighten my skin.


If being Asian is a problem, then that must be the only solution.:rolleyes:

Anyway, all girls who join NPC sororities are not white.

starang21 10-08-2007 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1534813)
Well you know you don't look like the "type of Asian" that a lot of people think of when they think "Asian."

So if you had said your olive skin was because you were Spanish or Italian, you would be set for life. Your other features could be overlooked I guess.

Filipino snack.

unfortunately, i get stereotyped with the filipinos.....the degenerates of asian culture. it's a shame.....oh wait.

well, i have a hispanic name.....i wonder if that corrective eye surgery would help me blend in in south america.

:thinking:

DSTCHAOS 10-08-2007 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1534818)
unfortunately, i get stereotyped with the filipinos.....the degenerates of asian culture. it's a shame.....oh wait.

well, i have a hispanic name.....i wonder if that corrective eye surgery would help me blend in in south america.

:thinking:

Filipino snack.

Then you'd have to make sure you don't act "too Hispanic" so that people don't think you aren't a born citizen. Either that or move to a Sanctuary State so you can do whatever you please.

starang21 10-08-2007 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1534822)
Filipino snack.

Then you'd have to make sure you don't act "too Hispanic" so that people don't think you aren't a born citizen. Either that or move to a Sanctuary State so you can do whatever you please.

i felt so at home in miami, because i was around my people. i went to chipotle on friday, and don pablos on saturday. will my adobo card be snatched?

i've already been labeled as a sellout.

DSTCHAOS 10-08-2007 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1534824)
i felt so at home in miami, because i was around my people. i went to chipotle on friday, and don pablos on saturday. will my adobo card be snatched?

i've already been labeled as a sellout.

You are a sellout.

Filipino turned Hispanic. People in ATL will like you less than people in Miami. Be prepared. :D

starang21 10-08-2007 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1534825)
People in ATL will like you less than people in Miami. Be prepared. :D

what people?

will it affect my ***** intake? because you know that's the only reason i moved here.

DSTCHAOS 10-08-2007 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1534827)
what people?

will it affect my ***** intake? because you know that's the only reason i moved here.

I really dislike you.

starang21 10-08-2007 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1534855)
I really dislike you.

:(

i cry on the inside

ealymc 10-08-2007 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1534827)
will it affect my ***** intake? because you know that's the only reason i moved here.


What kind of intake are we referring to? PM me, please, if it's apparently too risque for the main forums...

33girl 10-08-2007 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ealymc (Post 1534913)
What kind of intake are we referring to? PM me, please, if it's apparently too risque for the main forums...

It's not "risque", it's just that the poster is trying to be discreet about which NPHC group they are interested in. :)

starang21 10-08-2007 01:52 PM

uhhhh.....

33girl 10-08-2007 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1534918)
uhhhh.....

ha ha ha, sorry dude, didn't realize this was you. I killed too many brain cells over the weekend.

ealymc 10-08-2007 05:08 PM

Going back to OP, would you really want to be a part of that organization if this is a legit concern?

LatinaAlumna 10-08-2007 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by takemewitu (Post 1534751)
My problem is beside being a junior, is that I'm Asian.


I would say you have bigger issues to focus on than whether a sorority is going to take you, if you're making comments like this about yourself. :(

Educatingblue 10-08-2007 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1534794)
LOL.


When studies of employment, residential, and educational exclusion are conducted, Asians are typically not one of the groups with the disparities. Asians are now considered the "model minority" and the stereotypes of Asians are deemed mostly positive stereotypes.

I have noticed this with other ethnic minorities. I think Asians overall assimilate more to mainstream culture in comparison to other minorites who have immigrated to the U.S.

I think people should do what they feel is right, rather what society deems correct.

UGAalum94 10-08-2007 06:35 PM

Ah, you all, you could probably ease up.

Do you imagine the OP really has a problem being a junior too?

It's pretty clear that she was asking about things that the groups could potentially see as problems during recruitment.

And as much as we hope race and ethnicity aren't even going to be issues and know they shouldn't be in terms of GLO policies, who among us can be absolutely sure they won't be?

I agree with others who have posted that they don't think being Asian will be an issue, but it's a reasonable question.

If you've ever read some of the "fratty" forums, you'd know that some idiots are still interested in discriminating.

DSTCHAOS 10-09-2007 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1535000)
Ah, you all, you could probably ease up.


What a sensitive bunch.

LaneSig 10-09-2007 03:23 PM

^^ Not trying to be 'sensitive', but I interpreted the OP's statement not as thinking that being Asian was a problem, but wondering if being Asian would be a factor that would cause some groups to drop her. She could have worded it better, but that is what I think she is concerned about.

Ch2tf 10-09-2007 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig (Post 1535379)
^^ Not trying to be 'sensitive', but I interpreted the OP's statement not as thinking that being Asian was a problem, but wondering if being Asian would be a factor that would cause some groups to drop her. She could have worded it better, but that is what I think she is concerned about.

Granted we are working with limited knowledge of where this young woman is planning on transfering to, but if she is at all in anyway concerned about her ethnicity being an issue during recruitment, why would she seek to join any of those groups. And it is this that I think others are commenting on. And granted this is GC and many things are posted on the fly, a la Freud what you post and how you post usually have some bearing on your personal feelings. I can't ever imagine me wording something in the frame of: "the problem is I'm African American." Those words don't even sound right coming out of my mouth like that.

LatinaAlumna 10-09-2007 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ch2tf (Post 1535387)
if she is at all in anyway concerned about her ethnicity being an issue during recruitment, why would she seek to join any of those groups....


....I can't ever imagine me wording something in the frame of: "the problem is I'm African American." Those words don't even sound right coming out of my mouth like that.

Exactly what I was thinking.

cutie_cat_4ever 10-09-2007 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ch2tf (Post 1535387)
Granted we are working with limited knowledge of where this young woman is planning on transfering to, but if she is at all in anyway concerned about her ethnicity being an issue during recruitment, why would she seek to join any of those groups. And it is this that I think others are commenting on. And granted this is GC and many things are posted on the fly, a la Freud what you post and how you post usually have some bearing on your personal feelings. I can't ever imagine me wording something in the frame of: "the problem is I'm African American." Those words don't even sound right coming out of my mouth like that.

Well, I was wondering maybe because given the fact that there aren't that many asian sororities comparing to those historically white or african american sororities. I mean, even the biggest one, aKDPhi, only has roughly less than 50 chapters. So not every single campus can accommodate the OP's needs I guess.

I have a few friends, they are asians, and yet they joined NPCs. Some of them are even the only asian in their sorority. All it matters is your mindset. If you are afraid that being asian will affect your chances, with that mindset, you may end up being "rejected" because you don't feel comfortable about yourself to open up.

UGAalum94 10-09-2007 05:28 PM

I think that there are many worthwhile organizations that probably have individual members who might act in a discriminatory way. But if the aims of the groups were noble and the groups itself wasn't fundamentally about discrimination, I can see why a person might be worried about discrimination and interested in joining at the same time.

As an overly simply example, suppose I want to be a volunteer firefighter. If the group is presently overwhelmingly male, I might wonder if my being female is going to be a problem in my full inclusion in the group. Now, I know that I can force my way into the firefighters if I'm otherwise qualified in a way that's different from a social sorority, but I don't think the fundamental question of whether other people's tendency to discriminate will be a problem is much different.

I don't think the OP indicated any fundamental self esteem issues or craziness by asking.

starang21 10-09-2007 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig (Post 1535379)
I interpreted the OP's statement not as thinking that being Asian was a problem, but wondering if being Asian would be a factor that would cause some groups to drop her.

ummmm, in the year 2007 that right there would most probably be defined as a problem.

Unregistered- 10-09-2007 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1535458)
ummmm, in the year 2007 that right there would most probably be defined as a problem.

It's because they're not like us so they don't understand. :p ;)

I'll trade you your adobo card for my halo-halo card.

barnard1897 10-09-2007 10:48 PM

Being Asian shouldn't be a "problem" for membership in an NPC group, anymore than being Latina or African American is. It could be a consideration, though, and anyone who subscribes to the model minority myth is simply ignorant.

My chapter had many girls of all races, religions and ethnicities, but it would be inaccurate to say that all campuses and chapters have this kind of representation, when they clearly don't. Not that GLOs are equal opportunity groups anyway.

The answer to whether race is a barrier to entry depends on where you go to school and perhaps which houses you are interested in joining. Some embrace diversity, and others are not focused on that. I'm glad to see more diversity in the collegiate pictures of my GLO magazine year after year at many chapters. While the chapters in the deep south are comprised of mostly caucasian girls, that could be demographics in part--are there many Asian girls at schools such as Ole Miss?

To the OP: if you want to go through FR, then do it. The junior status will not help but might not be as big a barrier as you think. Race is always out there--sometimes viewed positively, sometimes not. Only you can decide whether it should scare you off from meeting some potentially wonderful friends in a house, or simply be a physical characteristic that is one more way to show how fabulous you are. If you have a lot to offer a house in the way of leadership, academics, community service, and other talents, those qualities will come across well when you meet people, and the girls in the houses SHOULD meet someone like you because they need those qualities in their members. Yes, there are people in GLOs who could be more openminded, but this is life in general, isn't it?

starang21 10-09-2007 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1535463)
It's because they're not like us so they don't understand. :p ;)

I'll trade you your adobo card for my halo-halo card.

"those people"

there's no way any self respecting filipino should ever give up the halo halo card. that's like the highest rank a flip could ever achieve. you'd be taking a downgrade. unless it's for day old adobo. chicken that is.


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