quick question-transfer
 

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You are in school to get an education, not to be in a sorority.

First of all, quota is the # of PNMs a sorority can take during recruitment. Total is the # of members the sorority is allowed to have.

No one here is able to tell you what your chances are. Instead of asking a bunch of strangers, maybe you should talk to your EC/Judicial Board (whatever you call it).

Listen to AlphaFrog!!!!

chapters may accept transfer members wishing to affiliate at anytime-having pledged quota and being at or above total will not prevent the chapter from accepting the transferring member, however, many chapters like to have a "get acquainted" period to see if the member seeking to affiliate with them would be compatible with their membership.

I've always felt like this is crap. We don't expect alumnae to have a "get acquainted period" before joining an alum chapter, so why do we limit the rights of initiated members just because they weren't initiated at the chapter they are trying to join. Who cares if she isn't a great fit....she's a sister, and you should find a way to make a sister fit! Just my two cents.

you don't owe any of us here an explanation.

glad i could help. good luck with whatever decision you make!

I tend to agree. Unless there's a standards issue or she wasn't fulfilling her obligations to her old chapter, I think it should be easy for girl to affiliate at a new chapter.

I understand that problems can arise when certain chapters are considered feeder chapters for more selective ones (girls choose to rush at one place with the intention of transferring after initiation). But if we're national or international groups, it seems lame to be anything other than fully welcoming to a sister who has been initiated into the group.

If we have wildly different standards for membership at one chapter versus another, how can we really regard ourselves as unified groups?

To the OP: I can't recommend letting your chances at affiliation guide your choice of schools, unless you are choosing between two academically equal schools and you are using affiliation chances as some sort of tiebreaker.

If that's the case, FSUZeta clarified that the group, in terms of NPC policy, can accept you even if they are over total and you ought to talk to your officers and get advice and then maybe start making contacts at the new chapter to see. They are the ones who will really get to decide how easy or hard it is for you to become a full, included member of their chapter.

Can alum members become active again? :confused:

I think this is true for AOII. I wonder if every NPC has the same rule. If you are at a campus with an active chapter and you have not graduated, you can join the chapter.

Gotcha. Yea, if you were initiated at Uni#1, and transferred to Uni#2 that didn't have your GLO, I'm pretty sure most all NPC sororities would make you alum.

However, I could be wrong on this, and it may vary from GLO to GLO, I don't know if the alum status can be "reversed" if you transfer to Uni#3 and that school has your GLO.

That might be something to ask your Exec Board or HQ of your GLO.

Not in our sorority.

Case in point...when a recolonization occurs, the former actives go alum. The sorority recolonizes, and the pledges become the only actives. Now, alum can be invited to social events, such as formals, but can't actively participate in recruitment, greek week functions, etc.

Exactly. I requested alum status 2 semesters before I actually graduated. One of the things EC told me was "once you change your membership status to alum, you can't go back to being a collegian."

I know of at least two girls from my chapter who transferred to a school without an AGD chapter, only to transfer again to a school that has one. For reasons unknown, they wanted to be collegians again (they were still undergrads), only to be told that they couldn't because they were already granted alum status.

One of my daughters transferred to a school that had a chapter of her sorority. She didn't want to affiliate because she was in such a time-intensive major and assumed she'd be considered an alum. She was told, though, that she wouldn't be until the class she'd pledged with had graduated; that was 2 years later.

This is true but not everyone cares a great deal about WHERE they go to school just as long as they are in school or just as long as they attend a good school. So why not transfer to a school that has your organization on campus? This is how some people think and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. We all joined our organizations because we obviously wanted more than just the educational experience that college has to offer. That's the truth.

To expand this train of thought, many great yet very different schools have fabulous programs in the same major. My D was undeclared yet had her eye somewhat on a particular major. Many, many schools had very strong depts in her particular field of study and were well within her profile based on GPA, standardized test scores, ECs yet she easily limited her school applications to 5 nationally RUs and 2 nationally ranked LACs.


When a student chooses a school, he or she may consider and then prioritize it on reputation of major, prestige of school, cost of school, location, size, gender percentage, ethnicity percentages, and a myriad of other factors. While prestige and tier ranking may be paramount in one student's decision, proximity to home and cost to mom and dad may be more important to a different applicant.

They can in ZTA, but you have to go through A LOT of paperwork. There's actually a girl in my chapter right now who was initiated into our chapter, transferred to another school without Zeta, making her an alum, then she came back. She had to fill out a whole lot of paperwork with IO, but she was able to get collegiate status back.

Yeah, I used to think that too, until I heard about the people who join a small chapter they have no intention of staying at, just so they can get in the large prominent chapter through the "back door." You're in effect screwing over TWO chapters, and if a sorority's had it happen a lot, I can understand why the "get acquainted" rules were put in place.

I think that the not fitting happens at alum chapters too, and I think that way too many times, rather than everyone working together, people either 1) drop out of being involved completely or 2) start a new chapter when it would be better to have one big strong one rather than a bunch of smaller ones. #2 drives me nuts, but it might just be something specific to my GLO.

For Kappa, if an undergraduate member transfers to a campus without a Kappa chapter, she is considered an Associate member, not an alumna. If she then decides to transfer again to a campus that does have a Kappa chapter, I believe she is able to affiliate and become an active member of that chapter.

Members don't become alumna (whether they are active or Associate members) until they either graduate, leave school completely, or finish their fourth year of school.

Question...although I understand if you can't say or just don't know...if a member drops out of school after initiating Kappa, is she still an associate member, or is she an Alum?

In Alpha Phi they can. For example, we are colonizing at UConn right now, and there are two sisters from other chapters that have transfered there. They are a part of the new chapter now.

We also allow our members to become alums if they transfer before graduating. A sister from my chapter transfered to another school after her freshman year and immediately joined the local alum chapter and took a position in it.

Sorry, I edited my post to reflect this; if she leaves school completely prior to graduation she is considered an alumna.

I do know this happens, but I think it is too rare to penalize sisters who should have all the rights and responsibilites afforded to every other sister. My campus was known as a feeder to LSU since we all know that recruitment can be hell. Phi Mu and Kappa Delta chapters at my school were frequently claimed to be victims of this activity, but after four years at this school, I cannot recall a single person that anyone could actually name who did this.

In Phi Mu you can do this. You can become an alumnae, but if you go to a school that does have it reinstate yourself. There is a lot of paper work involved (to prove you're in good standing). My chapter doesn't get a lot of transfers. It's so sad, they'll come but they won't reaffiliate even though nationals states on the paper work that you should. This summer when I was a Pi Chi, a girl came up to me and said she wanted to reaffiliate with Phi Mu, I was SOOO excited, but I never got her name and I don't know what became of her...I gave her the president of our chapter's email but I couldn't tell her I was one too since it was so close to recruitment. So SAD :(, I would have made sure to stay in contact had I been allowed.

That's the most intelligent thing I have heard all day

that's a good call!