So is imitation really the sincerest form of flattery?
 

Um.. sure. As long as it's done with the right intentions.

What's your specific issue with this video? I'm not familiar enough with stepping to know if any GLO specific moves were borrowed here.

Pretty cool stuff. Whats the context of the step show? Was it a competition? Display? Fund raiser?

I can't tell for sure from the clip or anything else. It looks like a competition maybe? I assume a dance/step thing since more than half was dance.

i wouldn't personally consider that stepping...it kinda makes me ashamed to be a white girl, lol. the first thing i thought was "i love how one of them has a black guy friend and convinced him to help so they'd look more 'ethnic'" as my ls says.

As I responded to the person who sent me this in a PM:

This doesn't bother me, especially since I have no idea of the context. This happens at some schools -- an NPHC org coaches an NPC or NIC org for their own step show. Proceeds go to charity.

and

Stepping is NOT our greatest legacy -- if that's the vehicle by which relationships are formed between the organizations, then it's not a bad thing at all. Those bonds that are made between college students translate to greater opportunities down the road.

So that's why it doesn't bother me. We know it will never be as good as a pan hell step show, but it was their own campus for their own purpose and they had fun. I won't judge them on that.

I totally felt like I was watching a cheerleading competition routine, minus the stunts. You know the formula...hip hop dance with robot like movements, stop and do a cheer (or I guess STEP in this case), and then back to the robot like dancing.

Like Shid said, I also know several schools that have step contests. To reiterate what was said earlier, the NPHC usually coaches one group and helps them out. It's a great way to get the greek community together. And, if you have ever seen the farm boys from AGRho get out there and really attempt to step, you've probably had a pretty good laugh. The ones I have been to have been honest attempts to learn the art and skill of stepping. It's never been done in a sarcastic way. Most of the routines are choreographed by the NPHC steppers.

The Kappas aren't very good at the little bit of stepping they did, but at least they gave it a try. They definitely aren't even close to the level of some groups I have seen. But, I applaud them for the effort.

I felt the same. I was amused. It was very cute and they were cute in their "beaters and kicks".

I was pretty amused. Definitely reminded me of my cheerleading days, with the formations/formation changes. Whatever the reason, I'm glad that they were prepared (as evidenced by their preformance), cuz a sloppy show of any kind is not cute.

true story...it was more strollin(which was ehhh, by the way) than steppin...and as far as the steppin goes...[Drew Roshenhaus]NEXT QUESTION!!![/DR]

Maybe it was their interpretation?

So who decides?:rolleyes:

This is what I wrote:

I also agree with Senusret I, 12dn94dst, Ch2tf AlphaFrog & Tippiechick. It was amusing.http://www.smilieshq.com/smilies/confused0024.gif

Wow.

i think its pretty good. my chapter is doing a step routine(the last 30 seconds of the dance) for lipsync in a few months, though it is not as extensive as theirs. im pretty nervous about it because i feel like i look really bad doing it. Last year we taught the Iota's and Sigma Lambda Beta's linedancing and they taught us step (they were our homecoming partners last year.)

Those girls look pathetic. I now know where to go on GC when I want a good laugh.

The kicker part about it is, it says in the corner "This is how stepping is done." Now, that's laughable.:rolleyes:

Now THIS is the way stepping is done. Thank GOD for NPHC greeks.:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UL7L9H9qJo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIGeHNDl73I

Pathetic seems harsh.

Seems like they were just getting into the spirit of things and supporting fellow Greeks.

Mocking them for being good sports seems . . . not well thought out.

Plus you would have to compare them to NPHC sororities to have a fairer comparison. And not a competitive team either.

To me they did look pathetic, and let me add, utterly ridiculous. I don't think it's harsh, it's the truth. Also why did they steal some of their steps from an NPHC fraternity, or maybe they were taught.

To me, I don't think they could even attempt to compare to any of the NPHC sororities. But if you insist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fxt76uubWo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4y97uENVF4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7rcsjBRDBk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5K1cBBB4fw <--------These SGRhos are blindfolded and are still on beat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTzIOX2ysjs
Like I said, there's nothing to compare.

One more thing. To me, the 27seconds of the SGRho youtube stepshow blows away all 6 minutes of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZO6jRYUXdo lame no rhythm havin' stepshow.

The absence of a competition does not lower the bar set for the team's performance. The point is to do a great show regardless if the show is for the enjoyment of elementary school kids or for a $2,000 first prize.

That said, I tend to agree with PrettyBoy, there is no comparison. For what is/was, my comment still stands, it was cute.

In the context of a step show however, that wasn't it. Had I gone to a "step show" and saw that particular performance done by anyone, I'd be upset.

No question, the KKGs were not even playing the same sport as the other groups linked. They were having fun and trying something new.

But it seems pretty silly to me to get huffy about "borrowing" unless your organization was the one that came up with the idea of a national group with local chapters around the country, named with three Greek letters that stand for a secret motto revealed only during a ritual initiation ceremony, along with a secret grip, coat of arms, and a distinctive membership badge. Every group after Phi Beta Kappa took that whole idea part and parcel and ran with it. I am sure you call yours "your own"! And as a PBK member, I think that's great.
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You do know about how this thing usually works right? It's a dance/step show where each NPC group gets mentored by either a fraternity or several brothers depending on the event. An NPHC fraternity, or occasionally sorority, is the one to teach them the moves. The comparison someone made to a cheerleading routine is very apt. Replace the stepping with a cheer and it would be one.

These events are usually for charity or just general PR, like Greek Week. These are girls who probably step once a year if ever. You trying to compare them to some awesome D9 groups is like complaining that the local baseball team isn't major league. Enjoy it for what it is.... not what other people could have done with it.

You're pathetic, you know that? This was done for fun, not to compete you idiot. Yeah, I'm going to call you a name because that's what you're being.

I don't get into the name calling because it's pointless and it serves no purpose.

Personally, I could care less why they were stepping, cheering, dancing ect ect. rather it was for competition, charity or whatever. In my opionion they looked pathetic, and it was comedy looking at them.

Drolefille, I didn't know that, and thanks, for the info. No offense, but personally I really don't care how anything they do works. My focus is on what the NPHC does. I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion. I'm not going to get into as of why, but based on an earlier conversation you and I had, I'm sure you know why.

I'm proud of our umbrella group and everything we stand for and rather the events that I posted were done for competition or charity, I posted them because they looked freakin' good.

I hope you all enjoyed looking at them as much as I did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwsiK5Xb8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzhNmNbYnEE

But you didn't even go to a school where this sort of thing happened, so how can you say "I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion."

You say you don't get into name calling, but you called the girls in the video "pathetic" and didn't give them the courtesy of calling them by their names (Kappa Kappa "whatever")

The point is that you don't really understand what's going on, you didn't have a campus where this sort of thing happened, and you are generalizing all Greeks outside of the NPHC based on incorrect and loaded assumptions. Worse, you are generalizing the NPHC based on something as insignificant as stepping. As I said, stepping is NOT our greatest legacy.

When NIC and NPC Greeks start having a social action program that rivals NPHC orgs, then maybe we'll have something to talk about.

I have no problem with NPC and NIC Greeks and they have no problems with me.

And quite frankly, I think step shows in general are a waste of time and resources and I don't like going to NPHC shows.

If you can't approach anything an NPC or NIC(non-NPHC) group does without the vitriol you feel for them, perhaps you should avoid commenting about it. This wasn't a situation of KKG saying "ooh we want to learn how to step" it was a way to bring Greeks together. "Greeks" includes all of us. You seem to be unable to grasp the idea that Greeks of all flavors can work together. Your experiences aren't the end-all-be-all of how Greek life works and you should be willing to grow beyond them.

But if he did that then he couldn't spread his hate all over the place! :eek:

I used to feel this way but having been out of undergrad for years and having gone to different types of events, it's not that serious anymore and I have a different take. But I completely understand where you're coming from and felt that way a few years ago.

I think they looked cute. I like KKGs and I don't expect much of them in terms of party strolls and stepping. So they did very well, considering. And they actually cared enough to put forth a lot of effort.

Was this Derby Days? I absolutely love that event.

I don't think any non-BGLOs will be adopting stepping and strolling and calling it their own. Afterall, many of these groups have had handsigns before some NPHCers were founded but they don't advertise them the way we do.

What IS pathetic is some of the KKGs attempt to "hip hopize" themselves. The use of "slang," an attempt at some type of "accent" and certain mannerisms are lame. That's the only thing that made me go ":rolleyes:" They were probably told to do that by their teachers. I won't go into that for a number of reasons.

I was going to post something to that effect. This is what stopped me from even watching the rest.

I'm trying to imagine the fireworks around here if an NPC member referred to KAPsi as "Kappa Alpha whatever." If you expect others to treat you with respect -- and I'm sure you do -- then show respect to others.
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I would absolutely condone it.

When did you become anti-stepshows? Didn't you use to help high schools with them? Not clowning, just thought I remembered that.

And that is what bothered me about the whole thing. But yeah, that's a whole 'nother discussion.

Wouldn't bother me if someone said Delta Sigma whatever. I would just assume they are not familiar enough with the org to remember the whole name.

I should have qualified that with "NPHC" step shows. I know you're not clowning. :)

Here is my rationale.... I enjoy neophyte shows, probate shows, new member presentations, debuts, emergences, etc. I like those because the spotlight is on that one particular organization and their sisterhood or brotherhood.

I enjoy NPHC non-exclusive step shows and exhibitions because I get to see LGLOs, MCGLOs, and Christian GLOs perform. And it never fails, I always see something different at such shows. Unfortunately, I only get to attend one of those a year.

ETA: To further explain why I like these shows, I don't feel cheated if not all of the NPHC is represented -- some opt out because they have other things to do.

I do not enjoy NPHC-only shows because (to me) they are boring ANNNND (and I know it's not the fault of the art of stepping itself) I see too many of MY bros placing too much value on stepping and not enough on service and being out in their campus communities. If you can do both, great, I'll encourage it. But I am friends with a few collegiate neos now whose chapters really have their priorities in the wrong place. :( I just feel like the time they spend (waste) arguing and fussing in practices could be spent elsewhere.

And finally, yes, I founded a non-Greek step team at my alma mater, which might be what you're thinking of. Big fun! Coming up on ten years this January. :) Wouldn't call what they do a waste of time because we founded it JUST for stepping, and the average contribution per member is like four semesters.

It wouldn't bother me if an NPC member referred to us as Kappa Alpha whatever. Actually we've been called much worse. How about Kappa Alpha "Nig" if you want to get detailed about it. One historical reason for changing our original name to Kappa Alpha Psi. This was said probably by one of your organizations on the campus of IU. Typical. You all have a history of judging people by skin color, and at some colleges you still do. I can't see how anyone can tell a man or woman you don't fit in because you're not white. What kind of crap is that? I've seen it on GC several times. There's three members on here who have totally disrespected our organizations. I've even read some posts on here from the same three jokers about blacks not fitting in to IFC/NPC glos, that's why they don't get voted on. As far as I'm concerned that's BS.

I don't hate anyone, I have three close friends, two are NPCers and one IFCer and I don't have anything against them as individuals. Infact I enjoy their company. I've been in the same discussions with them about this very topic. We've learned to agree to disagree.

All I said was that this sorority looked pathetic, and my opinion hasn't changed.