Alleged torture suspects may face hate crime charges
 

Another really awful crime.

Some of these family trees must have no branches.

And I am sorry to say this...but...you have people out there that say "well racism is going away" or "Get over it" or "Slavery was a long time we have changed, let it go"

But the more I keep hearing stories like this I have to say..."WHY?"

This isn't an attack, mind you or a Black vs White thing but it just boils my blood when I hear people say these things and then stories pop up like this.

Then you have the Jena 6 and the College Park incident

There are obviously some people out there who need some letting go to do thier own selves.

Worst of all this is coming from kids just barely in thier 20s so I ask...

Where are they learning this from? Home.

James posted an article about 2 pre teen kids who are espousing hate by using Adolf Hitler as thier platform.

Sure the article is 2 years old but still when you hear kids being brain trained to hate (for the sake of hate's sake) it indicates that we aren't progressing any further than we did LAST century.

There was another article about 2 weeks ago that the KKK in Manassas VA supports the govt' proposed ban to provide govt services to illegal immigrants or immigrants with questionable status....


People post info about here often about these racially insane issues going on and I noted that many don't comment but but more than enough peek in to see....let's stay informed and also let's not be afraid to comment because this is the place where we have to raise OUR kids.

But it still makes me ask....

What is this world coming to?

back in the day, a hate crime was black/white, now it comes in so many forms...i just read where a lesbian and her sister were beaten.

it is definately taught. go to any day care and see how many two year olds have segregated themselves. sure, there may be a boy/girl division, which is natural at that age, but i'll bet there is no race division. its sad that people act that way. the only thing i can do is raise my children as i was raised: 100% unbiased.

I won't sit here and lie and say I was raised that way...that's just me being honest...but as I got older, I learned to deal with people on an indivdual basis. because some of the ver so called people that some get taught to hate could very well be the same ones that has to save thier lives....I think that one other thing that has really pushed this into the forefront was 9/11....now middle easterners are targets...I just heard on the news this morning how a woman here had her tires slashed by teens.

my older male relatives (uncles and my grandpa) still harbor those negative, anti-white feelings. they grew up during Jim Crow in the south, so although it is wrong, i understand what they have been thru. my father served in Vietnam. he said that broke him of any animosities he had. over there, they were all the enemy, all americans. there was not time for that nonsense.

my youngest sister has been dating a guy over a year, and because he is white, she has never introduced him to anyone outside of our parents. the comments are just unbearable when one of us crosses the color barrier. when i was pregnant with my daughter, whose father is Puerto Rican, i got the normal upturned noses, and a few "at least he wasnt WHITE" comments.

U know that's one thing about parts of the South...is that when you go, you will really REAAAAALLLY find out what people will think of you.


Just think all of the major issues right now are coming from Southern States

Jena 6 - Louisiana

**Sidebar** I spoke to a young lady on Saturday from Louisiana and she said that she has been thru Jena many times in her life and it's not the most friendly of places so it's almost no surprise that they have a lot of issues kicking off down there.

Glenarlow Wilson - Georgia

The Torture incident - West Virginia

The Noose - Maryland

LMAO. A couple of them look like they probably had an evaluation every three years in school. :o :(

More on the Logan 6
 

Since 1991, police have filed 108 criminal charges against the six. Frankie Brewster, 49, faced the most serious charges among them. Karen Burton, 46, of Chapmanville had the most charges in all, with 33; and her daughter, Alisha Burton, 23, had 20.

Brewster, who owns the Big Creek mobile home, was charged in 1994 with first-degree murder, but pleaded guilty to lesser charges of manslaughter and wanton endangerment. She was released from prison in 2000 after serving five years in the death of 84-year-old Polly T. Ferrell, court records show.


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...logansix3.html

http://www.examiner.com/a-930475~Det...ture_Case.html

dear WV judge...

UNDER. THE. JAIL.

sincerely,
society

DAMN!
They committed these crimes AND.THEY.ARE.ON.THE STREET?

Awww. Hell no!
Yet, we have....aw nevemind! :mad:

What seems to be embedded in your argument is that if incidents like this and Jena 6 (and the U of M noose incident) didn't occur, it would be understandable when folks say that racism is no longer an issue and that it would be understandable that folks say we all need to get over it.

These overt acts of intolerance and group privilege don't serve as THE examples of the existence of racism. Examples exist all day everyday throughout various social institutions and without much fanfare.

So when you act particularly surprised over such acts for the sake of "racism," it only does a disservice to the larger cause. The larger cause isn't contingent upon the existence of racial bigots. So I'm only disgusted over these recent incidents for the sake of humanity and intelligence.

I haven't gotten my "no justice, no peace" hat out of the closet because this stuff happened. I never put the hat in the closet. :) Of course we haven't progressed. Only people who are looking for the noose in their backyard or for the "coloreds only" water fountain actually think the absence thereof means progression. Instead, the absence thereof means the evolution of racist ideology and structure.

Some people don't consider Maryland to be a "southern state." It may be geographically and what not, but some parts of it and VA are culturally not "southern."

So I have to correct you on pinpointing the South, since again folks are stuck on the South and defining "racism" as something that doesn't exist unless you can see a noose. You find out what people reallllly REAALLLLLY think about you anywhere you go. I've been all over the country and have yet to see why people in the West or the North think they've escaped racism and discrimination. California, for example, has the highest amount of documented hate groups, in addition to other racial tensions.

Taking a historical perspective, blacks migrated to the North for economic opportunities and to escape the Jim Crow South. That doesn't mean they were treated the same as whites were treated and afforded the same opportunities. They were still overwhelmingly seen as subhumans and relegated to the black ghettos while whites and new European immigrants who assimilated into "whiteness" were afforded more opportunities.

So if this topic is going to be about the South, that's a shortsighted and high school student-level way of discussing racism and general social injustice.

That doesn't make someone not racist or not discriminatory.

Ask the employers who throw applications away based on "ethnic names" how much they absolutely hate racial and ethnic minorities. Then ask them how they were raised. A lot of them will tell you that they don't hate but rather love everyone and that their parents raised them to be accepting of everyone. Then they'll explain to you that they throw away "ethnic named" applicants' applications because of (insert non-race related excuse such as "we're looking for workers our clients can relate to and Mfufu might not be able to connect to the clients.").

No I am sure that for every ONE story that gets posted...there are at least 4 more that we may never hear about....What I am trying to say is that it makes me mad are the folks that want us to bury our heads in the sand and act like it's NOT going on at all which of course would be foolish!

furthermore... you have some people who are of the same ethnicity who are guilty of the same practice also...

AMEN TO THAT!

if this had been 6 black people who beat a latino, or 6 arabs who beat a white person, its still equally sick, and an equal setback for society.

They would be called "people who contribute to the racist structure."

Not "racists."

u know whats funny...there is (or was) a case pending now where 4 blacks beat and killed a white couple....never made national news....long story how I head about it...

http://www.volunteertv.com/special/h...s/5483316.html

The ONLY difference is....that was not considered a hate crime....

A headscratcher this is!

never said that.... was merely TRYING to add to your comment...but agree all the same.

i heard about that too Daemon...also what about the 4 people shot (3 killed) by that latino up north a few weeks ago? i believe it was in NJ, i could be wrong...

Those folks can go to hell because they are contributing to the problem whether they are conscious or not.

My point is that people who are looking for a "story" or an incident will miss out of the fact that racism is more silent, covert and institutionalized than it is overt. So of course these folks will argue that there isn't any racism just because there haven't been any "news worthy" incidents to report about.

Just making sure because one of the more childish excuses for racism is the common "but...but...some minorities do it to" excuse.

and one of the killers was an illegal immigrant from Peru

http://www.abclocal.go.com/wpvi/stor...cal&id=5611050

yea.....pretty f'ed up

let me clear it up for u then...those that do the above example...does not excuse the practice because, as you said...it adds right in....just like the debate that's been going on for years about how people name thier kids determines on what kinds of jobs they can expect to get in life.

I got it the first time around. I type for "the advancement of message board knowledge." Not for the person I'm responding to.

and the part that makes this bad is that they still (as far as I know) don't have any motives behind this....


I am curious what motivated those folks in Logan to hold this woman....I heard a rumor that she was lured there over the internet....go figger....

brains are sexy.

They look kind of lumpy and veiny to me.

geez, way to ruin the mood.

do people not watch "to catch a predator" on tv?? it doesnt just happen to kids...

This could've easily turned into a disgusting sex story.

You.have.failed.me. *slap*

i feel some type of way about this.

:throb:

"I ::heart:: brains"

hm.

Are we keeping score?

No federal hate crime charges will be filed:

The victim went to the trailer on her own free will, apparently to meet some guy she'd met on a phone dating service. However, the six folks involved still face some major state charges, like kidnapping, which could land them in prison for life.

It makes me sad to say this, but honestly, this doesn't surprise me. West Virginia isn't a state known for its tolerance or education. Back in 2000, a gay, black man was beaten, and then run over several times with a car by a couple of teenage boys over some rumors of having a gay relationship. Here's some more info. Another story that I can remember is a police officer refused to give a man having a heart attack CPR, because man was gay, and the officer thought he was HIV+ (he wasn't).

Biologically, the folks of West Virginia aren't inbred, but the thinking and mentality very much are.

no.....just making you aware.....because after I read about it...I kind of wondered the same thing myself....thank you

I am still curious to know how these people have been charged 108 times and they still are free....and I am just going to add on that today before anyone decides that we are going to have a pissing contest on what parts of the country are more racist than others, the bottom line is that it's sickening that in this day and age stuff like this STILL happens and in such horrifying manner. Sickening that we can't gon any place that we want to go without having to look over our shoulders because we don't know if we may be next or if something happens how will it be perceived.

Just a sad situation and it angers me that this has happened.

Maybe this is the wrong thread for our banter. :eek:

Are you coming on to starang21? :confused: