another alternative for hazing
 

What other ways can you tell me how you will know they are good enough for your organization?:) You have to go beyond the interview so what else?

Hazing is an often ritualistic test and a task, which may constitute harassment, abuse or humiliation with requirements to perform random, often meaningless tasks, sometimes as a way of initiation into a social group. The definition can refer to either physical (sometimes violent) or mental (possibly degrading) practices. The word is most frequently encountered in the United States and Canada; in the United Kingdom and some other Commonwealth countries, ragging or fagging or fooling is usually used instead. In continental European languages, terms with a 'christening' theme or etymology are often preferred (e.g. baptême in French, doop in Dutch in Flanders) or variations on a theme of naïveté and the rite of passage such as a derivation from a term for freshman (e.g. bizutage in French, ontgroening 'de-green[horn]ing' in Dutch) or a combination of both, such as in the Finnish mopokaste (literally "motorbicycle baptism", "motorbicycle" being the nickname for freshmen, stemming from the concept that they would be barred from riding a full motorcycle by their age).

This is the dictionary definition of hazing.This type of hazing is wrong I agree all in favor.

You have 2 threads going now on the exact same topic. Please just trust that every organization has its own Membership Selection and New Member period that gives each house ample opportunity to get to know/evaluate potential members of their chapter. You are basing your knowledge on what you experienced in high school and I assume what you've heard/have been told about things at the collegiate level. You have no context to what you are saying or asking, just wait until you transfer schools and go through whatever recruitment activities are available. Organizations at the national level are governed by national bodies and state and federal laws do exist and do apply, you are over 18 now and an adult, so are fully bound by and subject to the law (high school orgs aren't nationally governed and you were a minor then).

Please wait until you are at the college where you plan to explore the greek system, meet the groups there, LEARN from THEM how they choose their members and don't worry so much about finding an "alternative to hazing", which you will someday see is a preposterous question to even explore.

Good luck in your transfer & recruitment!

I just want to take the time to say:

I love your signature!




If me saying so happens to hijack the thread...and people have a sudden urge to discuss Charlie Brown, I say go with that urge.:D

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Well sense everyone is so against it I just would like to know what ideas you would have other than hazing. Every organization does have their guide lines but the organization that I would like to be apart of takes courage and upholding what being a true women means by morals standards and goals in life as well as the community. It's really not what you can do for you organization but what you can do for your community if you are not for your community what are you here for. If you don't want to discuss those three thing stay away from things like this if you don't want to discuss no one is making YOU respond. The organization i want to be a member of does not recruit likei said before you go to them they do not come to you. You are not NEEDED but would be nice have in this family. Gods gives blessings to people open to receive them. I believe that this organization is a blessing to me.

And they will bless you with their member education, rituals and history when (and if) you are offered a bid there.

You seem clear on what organization you plan to be part of, I have no idea what you're actually fishing for here, you aren't hearing the logical answers and I'm done talking in circles with you, so I'll once again wish you well with your school transfer, hope you have a successful recruitment and encourage you not to be so concerned about things that really don't even apply to you yet. You'll understand more once you've actually been exposed, first hand, to a national greek organization.

Just opinions hear nothing more you made yourself talk in circles all I did was say my believes you have a right to yours. Greek letters organizations don't change people people change greek letter organizations. Especially Black Greek Letter Organizations. We have to show the world something more from our side. People of color have to work harder in this world if you don't believe me check out the Birmingham Civil Rights Museum.

Who doesn't remember fondly the teacher's voice in Charlie Brown: "wahn wah wah wah, wa wha wha wah." Kind of like these threads.

ETA: Wannabe~ to get your answers, why don't you post these questions in the AKA forum?

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Well it's mighty funny how it's wahn wah wah wa wha wha when I mentioned (Black) it wasn't that before. This forum has to do with hazing. I did not know Black Greek Organizations made you blush. I'm proud of who I am if I let your words affect me then I'm the idiot.

That's it, play the race card.

You STARTED OFF posting in the AKA Forum. We KNOW you're black, but that's not why you're getting clowned. The black posters here (mostly) aren't touching your threads with a 10 foot pole. That should tell you something.

The NPHC forum mods shut you down completely IIR.

Sweetie, this has nothing to do with race or color. I knew what organization you were interested in before you posted it. My point is that you're not paying attention to what people are posting. You seem to be fishing for something that we're not going to give. There are lots of threads about ways not to haze--use the search function and you will see them. Heck, I don't even understand what you are getting at because I don't really understand your posts. We're not going to talk about membership selection here. The only thing I will say is that I've never asked anyone to "earn" membership in my GLO--before the bid is offered I hope they have shown that they are worthy for membership by having good grades, being involved in the community and on campus, and by being a kind, respectful young woman.

Again, if its answers you seek about AKA--post in that forum. They will tell you what they think.

I'm not playing the race card but every one knows it's harder for black people period we have to uplift each other not bring them down that's where hazing comes in do not do it if it is demeaning I'm not geting clowned I just don't forget where I come from in life I've seen so of the worst things Now it's my turn to make my community better,and strive for for the best in my life. My sister shot her self you know why because she thought her grades were not good enough for my parents and the outside world so don't you tell me that it is not made hard for us. I never said anything about member selection i just said since everyone is against it make some more suggestions I don't need to fish for information I will learn what I really need to know as time goes on

Don't you send her back to us. We have already let her know that we think she should post elsewhere. (Funny thing is, her posts didn't start in our forum, so I wonder where her interest truly lies.)

Also, Charlie Brown is my favorite. I identify strongly with ol'Chuck.

Do ya'll really believe this is a real poster? I, personally, think it is a troll.

Noone writes that badly in real life, especially not someone in college or trying to attend college (at least I hope not:rolleyes:).

every one has their on opinion I Just expressed my feeling about hazing and that is what this fourm is (risk management HAZING etc.)

^Yes, you expressed an opinion about hazing, but then you went off about how hard it is for people of color (which is a discussion for another forum), and then started discussing a family tragedy that you've experienced (which goes in yet another forum)--all while you have this underlying need to find out what's going to "happen" to you should you be invited to pursue membership in a particular organization.

You're asking questions about what people should have to do in order to earn membership. Every organization is DIFFERENT and most of the organizations are not going to reveal to you how they determine who becomes a member and who does not. Poking around like you are is probably just serving to annoy people who may be in a position to vote on you later (especially since you put up a bunch of identifying information).

Just focus on school, please, and the rest should follow.

Well, I don't know about these terms. However, I do know what people say about your city. "There ain't no ham like Birmingham."

It's Sirlkwan again.

okay that' fine but I was not poking around for information is was just trying to see what people think of hazing and who you could crush it. Yes I did talk about color because I believe people change organization organizations should not change people all you know about me is I live in Birmingham and I want to go to transfer to Birmingham Southern that's it. I also said WHAT DO YOU THINk please remember this is optional no one asked you to respond. I did touch on my sister's situation because shes ONE of the reasons I would want to join a organization but their are many more.

I love Birmingham and where I come from I'm not ashamed of that. You have to know where you come from in order to know where you are going

So here's what I'm getting: jessiwannabe wants to be a member of a particular org that shall remain unnamed. She's sooooo sure about this that she uses "we" when referencing BGLOs.

She'd also like to know how any org (but you know, maybe one particular one) selects their members if they don't haze. As she pursues her org. of choice, she wants to be hazed, but only in uplifting and meaningful ways because you shouldn't tear each other down. You know, as long as she's ok with it.

Also she needs to be referenced to the rules of "there," "their," and "they're."

AAhhhh, NOW I get it. You definitely live up to your sig, Drolefille, thanks for the translation!

Wannabe, no one here can help you. And no one wants to have the conversation you want to have. Please stop posting and posting and re-posting the same topic, it appears to have been fully covered. Try to be invited to join the org you want, find out FROM THEM when you ARE THERE what will be involved in the membership process, then either go through it, or don't. Best wishes!

Thanks for the recap! Now I don't have to read the beginning of this thread or any of the other 5 she has started! :)

I really think you're main focus should be on your grades first. Without good or decent grades, it won't get you too far. And hazing should be the LEAST of your worries...

..in before the lock?

Jessi please see my post in the other thread you started. Thanks

You're welcome to both of you. She's just fishing for info, and IMO, protecting herself from harsh criticism by also having a sad depressing story. It's like the reality show character you want to make it because he lost a testicle to cancer. Few people are THAT comfortable talking about personal issues when new to a public area.

I'm making you a cyber t-shirt that says "Psych majors do it better." ;)

Hey, don't go knocking CJ from Top Chef. I'm a Malarkey fan myself, but CJ's cool.

Okay I've been staying away from these threads but to quote the great Popeye "I've stand all i could stand and I can't stands no more!"

Look, I don't know what exactly you are looking for but it's quite obvious that you are not going to find it here. The bottom line is...YOU DON'T HAVE A SAY ON HOW AN ORGANIZATION DETERMINES WHO IT WILL ACCEPT FOR MEMBERSHIP. Hazing, and I mean the hazing that you consider okay, may be considered by that org as against the rules, so you and the members of w/e org allows you to get that far are putting themselves at an extreme risk if so. I know too many chapters that are off the yard because of foolishness. Honestly, its not worth it.

I had similar thoughts like what you are having a few years ago before I became an Alpha. Being or becoming Greek is not the end all be all. Life goes on if you are not Greek. I've seen plenty of people change their mind on whether or not to become Greek.

Take the advice that people have given you freely and apply it. You really sound like you would change your mind if an intake selection and/or process doesn't meet your standards. Trust me, NO organization wants a person like that in their organization.

OMG that is exactly who I was thinking of!
Did you watch tonight's episode yet?

That we do.

I'll touch it.....jesse...take a chill pill

to add on to what Animate said...

people focus so much on the process itself and not the after...your pledging doesn't start UNTIL you have earned your letters, black white green purple or whatever color you are....too many people focus on what they need to do to get thier letters...guess what you can do everything to the letter and STILL never earn them...there are too many factors on what will get you thru to become "frat" or "soror"....focus on life AFTER whatever process you THINK you are going to go thru and it will make life easier DURING.

The above post is a good one to end this thread. Nice final word.

-- if anyone thinks my closing this thread is out of line, please PM me. Thanks.