right/wrong
 

Lots of people think hazing is wrong I feel as though as long as it doesn't :mad:get out of hand. At the same time everyone has their limits but if you go in with an open mind you will do fine.:):rolleyes:

^I really hope you don't pursue an organization. I wouldn't want anyone who is willing to be hazed or willing to haze to be one of my sisters.

Well learning history about your organization is a part of hazing is that wrong that's the hazing i'm talking about.

Do you attend UAB?

No I currently attend Jefferson State I'm going to transfer to Birmingham Southern or Samford i'm not sure but I have till next summer to decide. Personally I don't have a problem with it. It also depends on how bad do you want it. If it's your dream you should want to go the extra mile and not give up.

I'd like to hear more of your thoughts, Jessi, on how having an open mind can make hazing better. What do you mean, exactly? Do the hazees need to have an open mind? The Hazers?

Make sure you PM the AKAs when you transfer to Birmingham Southern or Samford so that they can expedite your intake process. :p

The hazees need to I believe no membership is to be given it should be earned and if you belive in your heart that these are you future sisters and brothers and you trust them they will not hurt you they ar there to welcome you into a family.

You have the right to remain silent.

If you give up that right, anything you say can and will be used against you...

Hazing is illegal.

hahahhaha busted.

Bless your heart!!!

Jesus be a
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That was my favorite toy!

Whenever I see one of those, I think of the Dane Cook bit about the Speak and Spell. Pretty funny stuff.

Hazing is ILLEGAL!!!
 

I think I understand what she's saying-she's just not really saying it right....No-HAZING IS ILLEGAL & WRONG!!! The thing I think she means is that pledges (in some chapters) or Potential New Members should "want" to learn the organization's history along with do bonding activities. I know at my school something such as a treasure hunt (which many people find fun as long as they are not demeaning) is considered hazing. You can't even have a required time for PNMs to get together and study chapter history....if that's the type of "hazing" you are talking about...then, I somewhat understand what is being said, however, if we are talking about throwing trash on pledges or circling fat, etc., etc., then NO-I do not agree with that...If she is talking about treasure hunts and chapter history-does anyone else here agree that PNMs should "want" to learn that if they are passionate enough about going GREEK??? If anyone finds this to be offensive, please have some input.....:)

Thanks for elaborating. That's all I'm saying if the hazing doesn't hurt you in any shape from or fashion and demean you. It's okay, I can say go pull up all the information you can on my organization. That's not harmful to you I just want you to know your knowledge of what you are getting yourself into.

What organization would that be?

Just using a example of what could be considered as hazing. I'm not a part of one yet. I have had a lot of highschool experience with it. In highschool we had to make posters about our big sisters and bring them their favorite candy everyday. That's not harmful but it is hazing.

You = fail

Maybe you should let the OP explain themselves rather than attacking them and acting like a bitch.

Having a study hall can be considered hazing. Chill yourself.

Well I see it as entering another family if it doesn't hurt me or demean me i'm okay with it what other method would you perfer to let someone prove to you that you are worthy of my colors and letters. I'm pretty sure you would not just let anyone one in would you. Sure grades and commuinty feed back is not enough some organizations don't recruit you go to them and ask them (what about me) remember organizations don't need you but they would like to have you if you fit the standards. Don't get me wrong bidding them in like cattle is not good either but how else would I know that this is what you want to do be and represent.

I never will understand which part of "it's illegal" is so hard to grasp.

okay yeah it's illegal now what. what do you prefer tell me please. If you created a organization how will you know if they are worthy or not?

If you are going to tell me that beating someone with a 2X4 or killing them via making them drink too much is on the same level, in illegality, as having a study hall or a test of fraternity knowledge or cleaning the fraternity house or making pledge have a dress code...........then you are an absolute moron...and a naive one at that.

Don't be an idiot.

no some of that stuff you just named is harmful take the harmful shit out damn how many times do i have to say that shit. IF IT CAN HURT YOU OR DEMEAN YOU DON'T FUCKING DO IT IT'S YOUR CHOICE I'M NOT FOR THE HURTFUL PART DAMN JUST TELL ME A GOOD WAY THAT I ASKED FOR DAMN IT

NOTHING WILL CHANGE IF NO ONE MAKES AN EFFORT TO I'm all for not hurting anyone one but tell me a good way to go about if you know so much

Hahahahhahhahhahha, easy there psycho.

This person's posts make my head hurt.

Just trying to make a point you keep missing the point (nothing harmful nothing harmful)

Haha, you all have this girl cursing.

*rocking back and forth* \

"nothing harmful nothing harmful nothing harmful..."

Well, they're just trying to point out that point blank...

well if you tell a person the same thing over and over again what else? I'm just saying hazing that is NOT Harmful or demeaning is not wrong to me

You have to understand that if I is not going to kill you or demean you what is the problem. So you think that telling you to repeat your history is wrong and harmful? That's a form of hazing.

Some of the things you are talking about really aren't hazing--sometimes they get classified as such if there are consequences as a result of not completing the task. That is the difference between education and hazing. Its ok to ask new members to learn history--its another thing to ask them to do it under pressure or by memorizing many details. No one is going to get sued for educating members--they may get sued for going to extreme. I think we all recognize that.

Unfortunately, this is litigious society, and my experience has proven that if you give an inch, people will take a mile. This is why many things that seem harmless are classified as potentially hazing. For the record, I know its been said a million times, treasure hunts/scavenger hunts have been designated a potential hazing activity by FIPG (insurance), not necessarily the organizations themselves.

In addition--I was hazed and more than 14 years later I talk to none of my classmates or the people who hazed me on a regular basis. It did nothing to bond us for life, in fact, it created a great deal of friction and mistrust among the members of the organization.

OP, hopefully as you mature you learn how to think about such issues critically and come to understand this topic a little better without yelling.

WTF DO YOU EXPECT US TO SAY??

Jesus......how the hell do I know what is or isn't demeaning or hurtful to you.

Frankly, I don't think making pledges clean the house, or go to study hall, or dress a certain way, or learn history and then grill them on it, or make them get up early on game days to prepare the house and run the bars, or anything else that is similar.... is in any way demeaning or hurtful.

I was hazed in an organization that i did not initiate into or follow through with new membering. I could not go through with that treatment, and then call those girls my sisters, and I know after I left, it got a whole lot worse.

In my sorority, we did things like scavenger hunts, etc but the sisters were always there and as new members, we learned the history, songs, sister (and new member info) rituals, etc. I am much closer to my sisters (obviously) than the girls that continued in the previous organization are with their sisters.
It wasn't easy, but that's due to the time constraints and learning about everything.

I think if you are in an organization that engages in hazing activities, it breeds more hazing (and that attitude) until you are caught or something awful happens. Perhaps this is something that is learned in time.

My hope for the OP is that this lesson is learned.

Also, spell check/proof read. It does a post good.

well I do understand it but some people take it to the extreme it may be wrong to make you clean and cook for me etc. It depends on the organization and what your limitations are not theirs. If you feel that it is wrong open your mouth and say something no one begged you to do this you went to them. Not to impose on other organizations but Black Greek letter organizations feel the need some times to make you prove yourself to them. It just depends. Putting your hands on me is harmful, making me eat something bad is harmful, making me drink until I pass out is harmful. If you don't know your limits how will they know? Sometimes you have to speak up no matter what the situation is. If you don't care they won't

Wannabe--I am all for GOOD discussion, but this is something that has been debated ad nauseam and it is not likely that this time will lead to anything different. I would let this thread drop.

And I certainly don't intend to be mean, but I have a really hard time following your posts and arguments. That probably won't help either. I understand what you are trying to say, but I just see this turning into a train wreck.

Thanks OTW you're the bestest (lol) ever!

I know several of my Sorors at BSC ans SU.

Jessi what is your major?

My major is Nursing and plan to also get a degree to teach nursing but my second passion is teaching history highschool maybe