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TSteven 09-04-2007 10:01 AM

UK official urges 'segregated' Greeks to cooperate
 
Josey Montana McCoy
The Kentucky Kernel
(The University of Kentucky)
Issue date: 9/4/07 Section: Campus News

Mahjabeen Rafiuddin wants to end the separation between black and white Greek communities at UK.

"You can look at the way the Greek community is set up, and it is blatantly segregated," said Rafiuddin, the director of UK student diversity engagement. "Nobody questions why the black and white Greeks don't cooperate."

Rafiuddin, who joined UK in November 2006, developed an Inter Greek Relations Project plan this summer aimed at bringing Greek leaders together for six roundtable discussions.

The project - It's All Greek to Me - will challenge black and white sororities and fraternities to practice better cooperation.

"Student leaders aren't inclusive," she said. "How do you bring together a group of exclusive people and ask them to be inclusive?"

Separation of white and black Greek communities on campus begins at the top, Rafiuddin said. Each Greek organization has separate assistants who have graduated that oversee their community.

The Interfraternity Council oversees white fraternities, the Panhellenic Council oversees white sororities and the National Pan-Hellenic Council oversees both black sororities and fraternities.

Rafiuddin wants to see the leaders, along with student members, support and promote each other, while joining together more often for Greek events, she said.

Kimber Hatton, a committee chair at Delta Sigma Theta, a historically black sorority, has volunteered two semesters with student diversity engagement and believes one person's initiative can spark a movement.

"Greek relations are very big at UK and very influential," said Hatton, a junior nursing major. "I believe if (students) see black and white Greeks unite, then non-Greeks will also unite."


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Still BLUTANG 09-04-2007 10:38 AM

why did i read this as "United Kingdom"... :confused:
uugh. too early in the morning. coffee, PLEASE kick in.

AlphaFrog 09-04-2007 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Still BLUTANG (Post 1512543)
why did i read this as "United Kingdom"... :confused:
uugh. too early in the morning. coffee, PLEASE kick in.

I did, too.

The problem STARTS with whoever (meaning the person(s) who wrote/contributed to this article) is perpetuating the idea that NPC/IFC are the "white" GLOs.

Firehouse 09-04-2007 11:03 AM

I don't suppose it's possible that they would just leave everybody the hell alone (?).
My large IFC chapter has maybe 8-10 black guys, but there's no doubt that we are culturally white. There's no doubt that the black fraternities are culturally black. We all - black and white fraternities and sororities - get along, and we're all very happy with who we are. I don't think anyone is overtly turned down for membership because of their race. Let people be happy and participate in the culture with which they most identify. Probably too much to ask for from the aggressive politically-correct crowd.

CrimsonTide4 09-04-2007 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firehouse (Post 1512564)
I don't suppose it's possible that they would just leave everybody the hell alone (?).
My large IFC chapter has maybe 8-10 black guys, but there's no doubt that we are culturally white. There's no doubt that the black fraternities are culturally black. We all - black and white fraternities and sororities - get along, and we're all very happy with who we are. I don't think anyone is overtly turned down for membership because of their race. Let people be happy and participate in the culture with which they most identify. Probably too much to ask for from the aggressive politically-correct crowd.

You said it.

Glitter650 09-04-2007 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Still BLUTANG (Post 1512543)
why did i read this as "United Kingdom"... :confused:
uugh. too early in the morning. coffee, PLEASE kick in.



I did too, i was like, they don't have GLOs in the UK hehe :confused: :p

barbino 09-04-2007 10:05 PM

Integration of UK GLO's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Glitter650 (Post 1512588)
I did too, i was like, they don't have GLOs in the UK hehe :confused: :p

Having gone to UK (University of Kentucky) I knew exactly what this meant. This advisor is not really doing anything new, although she may think that she is. In the late 70's, my UK Pi Phi chapter won a Panhellenic award for inviting the Delta Sigma Thetas over to our house for dinner. UK Panhellenic was starting to push integrating the chapters even back then.

Greeks at UK have traditionally been segregated. When I went through "rush" in 1976, one GLO closed that year because they pledged a black member and it split the house. I thought that things had changed along with the passage of time (30 years!!!!) but I see that it still has not.

Greek membership has changed, though. Now there are no longer just IFC, NPC, and Divine Nine chapters to consider --there are GLO's for Hispanics, Asians, multi-cultural houses, houses based on sexual orientation, various religions. What it comes down to is this: the need for the fraternal spirit. Man was not meant to live alone. Man is a social animal. Fraternities and sororities fulfill this need. It might take another 30 years for UK to fully integrate its GLO's, no matter what this advisor suggests. The emphasis should be on membership within the environment that suits the individual.

AKA_Monet 09-04-2007 10:47 PM

Somewhere on YouTube the DG's are stepping with the AKA's from somebody's university.

I just found that interesting...

How come I reading this now and still thinking United Kingdom, too. :rolleyes:

ETA: According to the US Supreme Court, there is no need for desegregation.

Senusret I 09-04-2007 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbino (Post 1512989)
In the late 70's, my UK Pi Phi chapter won a Panhellenic award for inviting the Delta Sigma Thetas over to our house for dinner.



I laughed.

And laughed and laughed.

And laughed some more.

I can't believe there was an award for inviting the black chicks to dinner. I'm going to invite the DC Dekes to our chapter house when the renovations are done and hope we get a mention in the Washington Post. Well, at least the Mini Page.

tld221 09-04-2007 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbino (Post 1512989)
Having gone to UK (University of Kentucky) I knew exactly what this meant. This advisor is not really doing anything new, although she may think that she is. In the late 70's, my UK Pi Phi chapter won a Panhellenic award for inviting the Delta Sigma Thetas over to our house for dinner. UK Panhellenic was starting to push integrating the chapters even back then.

Greeks at UK have traditionally been segregated. When I went through "rush" in 1976, one GLO closed that year because they pledged a black member and it split the house. I thought that things had changed along with the passage of time (30 years!!!!) but I see that it still has not.

Greek membership has changed, though. Now there are no longer just IFC, NPC, and Divine Nine chapters to consider --there are GLO's for Hispanics, Asians, multi-cultural houses, houses based on sexual orientation, various religions. What it comes down to is this: the need for the fraternal spirit. Man was not meant to live alone. Man is a social animal. Fraternities and sororities fulfill this need. It might take another 30 years for UK to fully integrate its GLO's, no matter what this advisor suggests. The emphasis should be on membership within the environment that suits the individual.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1513030)
I laughed.

And laughed and laughed.

And laughed some more.

I can't believe there was an award for inviting the black chicks to dinner. I'm going to invite the DC Dekes to our chapter house when the renovations are done and hope we get a mention in the Washington Post. Well, at least the Mini Page.

i laughed hard too. but in its defense, it IS the 70s (in the midwest, no less) and may have been seen as "progressive." (shyte, my school probably wouldve given an award for that in 2007 for that...)

:: wouldve love to be a fly on that wall at that dinner ::

ladygreek 09-04-2007 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1513030)
I laughed.

And laughed and laughed.

And laughed some more.

I can't believe there was an award for inviting the black chicks to dinner. I'm going to invite the DC Dekes to our chapter house when the renovations are done and hope we get a mention in the Washington Post. Well, at least the Mini Page.

Remember it was the late 70s. Something like that would have been considered huge anywhere, but especially at U of KY and Mu Epsilon wasn't chartered until 1975.

Senusret I 09-04-2007 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1513037)
Remember it was the late 70s. Something like that would have been considered huge anywhere, but especially at U of KY.


Consider it my unfamiliarity with UK.... my mom was offered a bid from Delta Zeta at at Ferris in the early 70s, but I can only assume Michigan and Kentucky were two entirely different climates.

(Remember at her school the NPHCs rushed with the NPCs)

ladygreek 09-04-2007 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1513038)
Consider it my unfamiliarity with UK.... my mom was offered a bid from Delta Zeta at at Ferris in the early 70s, but I can only assume Michigan and Kentucky were two entirely different climates.

(Remember at her school the NPHCs rushed with the NPCs)

From my own personal experiences some Black women were given bids to NPC orgs, because it was the height of the Black Power movement and there was a underlying unrest on campuses. It was a way to say "hey we aren't prejudiced." Consequently the late 60s-70s was a big epansion era for Delta (most of the Zeta to Nu xxx collegiate chapters-lol) and the other NPHCs on PWIs. And yes for many NPHCs to exist on PWIs, they had to follow the rules of the NPC or IFC.

I think I have told you this, but neither Delta nor any other additional NPHC group were allowed to charter at SIUC, supposedly because there was no available housing. The AKAs, Kappas and Alphas were already on campus in housing. But soon they found the restrictions unbearable.

It wasn't until Frankie Freeman, the first Black US Civil Rights Commissioner was invited to campus by the NPC (because she was a woman)to speak that Delta was allow to charter without a house. Why? She was our national president at the time and wore those folx out about the fact that her sorority wasn't represented at SIUC--(we were apart of SIUE's chapter.) That then opened the doors for the Ques, SGRhos (who were on campus, but i think were affiliated with SIUE or a St. Louis collegiate chapter,) Sigmas, and Zetas to charter without houses, as well as the exisiting BGLOs to move out of the campus-owned houses.

tld221 09-04-2007 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1513048)
From my own personal experiences some Black women were given bids to NPC orgs, because it was the height of the Black Power movement and there was a underlying unrest on campuses. It was a way to say "hey we aren't prejudiced." Consequently the late 60s-70s was a big epansion era for Delta (most of the Zeta to Nu xxx collegiate chapters-lol) and the other NPHCs on PWIs. And yes for many NPHCs to exist on PWIs, they had to follow the rules of the NPC or IFC.

I think I have told you this, but neither Delta nor any other additional NPHC group were allowed to charter at SIUC, supposedly because there was no available housing. The AKAs, Kappas and Alphas were already on campus in housing. But soon they found the restrictions unbearable.

It wasn't until Frankie Freeman, the first Black US Civil Rights Commissioner was invited to campus by the NPC (because she was a woman)to speak that Delta was allow to charter without a house. Why? She was our national president at the time and wore those folx out about the fact that her sorority wasn't represented at SIUC--(we were apart of SIUE's chapter.) That then opened the doors for the Ques, SGRhos (who were on campus, but i think were affiliated with SIUE or a St. Louis collegiate chapter,) Sigmas, and Zetas to charter without houses, as well as the exisiting BGLOs to move out of the campus-owned houses.


wow, interesting history.

ladygreek 09-04-2007 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 1513052)
wow, interesting history.

Oh and I forgot to add that other GLO colonies continued to be established even without the "so called" housing restriction.

Bottom line, it was pure and blatant racism, and the US Civil Rights Commissioner wasn't having it. P.S. she is from St. Louis and was a soror and good friend of my late Mom--that is how I got the scoop. It was pretty heady stuff for an 18 year old collegiate caught up in the Movement. :D

Senusret I 09-04-2007 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1513048)
From my own personal experiences some Black women were given bids to NPC orgs, because it was the height of the Black Power movement and there was a underlying unrest on campuses. It was a way to say "hey we aren't prejudiced." Consequently the late 60s-70s was a big epansion era for Delta (most of the Zeta to Nu xxx collegiate chapters-lol) and the other NPHCs on PWIs. And yes for many NPHCs to exist on PWIs, they had to follow the rules of the NPC or IFC.



I never thought about it this way. That's like the episode of Good Times where they wanted Thelma because she was "a black." LOL

ladygreek 09-04-2007 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1513068)
I never thought about it this way. That's like the episode of Good Times where they wanted Thelma because she was "a black." LOL

Exactly!!!!

*waiting to be flamed by the NPC/IFCers.*

cuteASAbug 09-05-2007 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1513076)
Exactly!!!!

*waiting to be flamed by the NPC/IFCers.*

What should I flame you on?

(I don't feel like cooking, but if you want Ramen noodles, feel free to come over with your sorors, we can take a picture and submit it to student council to get a snazzy little award plaque.)

Senusret I 09-05-2007 12:04 AM

*DEAD*

lmaoooo on so many levels, beginning with the Ramen noodles and ending at use of the word "snazzy"

James 09-05-2007 12:06 AM

Were they any good? The Dg's that is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1513024)
Somewhere on YouTube the DG's are stepping with the AKA's from somebody's university.

I just found that interesting...

How come I reading this now and still thinking United Kingdom, too. :rolleyes:

ETA: According to the US Supreme Court, there is no need for desegregation.


cuteASAbug 09-05-2007 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1513080)
*DEAD*

lmaoooo on so many levels, beginning with the Ramen noodles and ending at use of the word "snazzy"

Snazzy is making a comeback. At least I like to think it is.

tld221 09-05-2007 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuteASAbug (Post 1513079)
What should I flame you on?

(I don't feel like cooking, but if you want Ramen noodles, feel free to come over with your sorors, we can take a picture and submit it to student council to get a snazzy little award plaque.)

umm, the SGRhos are totally gonna one-up yall by doing brunch with James' fraternity and then doing a unity stroll on the quad. jus saying.

-tld221
--can't hear ya over all the snazziness

cuteASAbug 09-05-2007 12:17 AM

Well ASA and DST have that Crimson and Cream/Pearl thing going on, so while you and the boys are strolling and pretending to be unified, we'll have greek unity shooting out the wazzoo.

tld221 09-05-2007 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuteASAbug (Post 1513091)
Well ASA and DST have that Crimson and Cream/Pearl thing going on, so while you and the boys are strolling and pretending to be unified, we'll have greek unity shooting out the wazzoo.

pretending? jealous, much? :p

cuteASAbug 09-05-2007 12:21 AM

Only way I'd be jealous is if you were serving mimosas at brunch. There probably aren't even any cute boys in James' fraternity.

tld221 09-05-2007 12:24 AM

umm, did you not peep the double-edged race/gender collabo i was going for? that's gotta earn SOME snazz in our name.

cuteASAbug 09-05-2007 12:25 AM

That's trying way too hard. Not even the ACLU tries to be that PC.

LatinaAlumna 09-05-2007 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1513068)
I never thought about it this way. That's like the episode of Good Times where they wanted Thelma because she was "a black." LOL

LOL! I remember when they came to the Evans home and said: "We already have an oriental, and a chi-can-a in our sorority..." I went around for a couple of weeks saying, "I am a chi-can-aaaaa." after I saw that episode! :D

And speaking of women not being welcome into sororities (and of GLOs performing together):

Several of my Founding Mothers attempted to sign up for recruitment here in CA in the mid-1980s, but were turned away from the table and told that it was "not for them." This is one of the incidents that prompted them to establish my sorority, which became the first Latina sorority on the west coast, and the third established in the nation. Luckily, my Founding Mothers had support from some of the other GLO members, including the sisters of Delta Sigma Theta on their campus, who were among their greatest allies. The Delta members even invited them to join in a unity step in front of the campus community!:

http://www.lambdathetanu.org/culture/stepping.html

AKA_Monet 09-05-2007 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James (Post 1513082)
Were they any good? The Dg's that is.

Well, everybody looked pretty good... I cannot find the video...

Animate 09-05-2007 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuteASAbug (Post 1513100)
That's trying way too hard. Not even the ACLU tries to be that PC.

:eek: I'm dying over here!

AlphaFrog 09-05-2007 07:15 AM

I love my sister and my tld221 Pan-Hellenic sister!

I'm so moving to NYC so you two can entertain me constantly.:p:p

cuteASAbug 09-05-2007 09:16 AM

Yay! Please do! ALAM <3!

TSteven 09-05-2007 02:39 PM

For Senusret I
 
http://www.uky.edu/StudentOrgs/APA19...os/new2/20.jpg
Photo from The Kentucky Kernel

Leading in Diversity

This year [April 2005], The Epsilon Chi Chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Inc. held their first annual Stomp-a-Palooza. This event is a Stepping Competition open to various Greek Letter Organization at the University of Kentucky. What made this competetion differ from any other step show in years past at UK was the fact that all the teams participating were from historically White Greek letter Organizations. Albeit some question the degree of diversity on UK's campus, EX has been interacting with historically White Greek letter Ogrs for years. This event especially, exemplifies that EX is a trailblazer when it comes to breaking down the barriers of race among Fraternities and Sororities at the University of Kentucky.

Senusret I 09-05-2007 02:47 PM

heyyyy my friend is a recent alum from that chapter. :)

I think he was a stepmaster at one point.

_Lisa_ 09-05-2007 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 1512550)
I did, too.

The problem STARTS with whoever (meaning the person(s) who wrote/contributed to this article) is perpetuating the idea that NPC/IFC are the "white" GLOs.

Sigma Kappa at UK has many different races in their chapter, and even though I am only speaking for them because I advise them, I assure you that most NPC chapters at UK aren't the "white" GLO's.

Tom Earp 09-05-2007 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Lisa_ (Post 1513480)
Sigma Kappa at UK has many different races in their chapter, and even though I am only speaking for them because I advise them, I assure you that most NPC chapters at UK aren't the "white" GLO's.

Thank you and it is not only at that school, but many others.:cool:

Some just want to seem to make it that way.

tld221 09-05-2007 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Lisa_ (Post 1513480)
Sigma Kappa at UK has many different races in their chapter, and even though I am only speaking for them because I advise them, I assure you that most NPC chapters at UK aren't the "white" GLO's.

you mean, in your experience, the NPC chapters at UK tend to exhibit more "diversity" than chapters at other schools, or moreso than other orgs?

_Lisa_ 09-05-2007 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 1513488)
you mean, in your experience, the NPC chapters at UK tend to exhibit more "diversity" than chapters at other schools, or moreso than other orgs?

No, I mean to say that currently, the NPC chapters at UK are pretty diverse.

SmartBlondeGPhB 09-05-2007 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSteven (Post 1512520)
Separation of white and black Greek communities on campus begins at the top, Rafiuddin said. Each Greek organization has separate assistants who have graduated that oversee their community.

The Interfraternity Council oversees white fraternities, the Panhellenic Council oversees white sororities and the National Pan-Hellenic Council oversees both black sororities and fraternities.

Maybe it's just me but it sure sounds like she wants them all to be overseen by one Council.....

TSteven 09-05-2007 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmartBlondeGPhB (Post 1513550)
Maybe it's just me but it sure sounds like she wants them all to be overseen by one Council.....

You may be right.

Currently, The University of Kentucky has the Inter-Greek Programming Assembly (IGPA) which regulates and schedules all programming that is sponsored for the UK Greek Community. IGPA also helps to unify the Greek Governing Councils of the Interfraternity Council (IFC), the Pan-Hellenic Council (PHC), and the Panhellenic Council (PC). And the IGPA coordinates all joint-programming efforts of IFC, PHC, and PC.


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