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DaemonSeid 07-12-2007 09:40 AM

Pitbull: Killer or Rapist...this is crazy
 
(Lockport, NY, July 10, 2007) - - We want to warn you that our top story is both bizarre and deeply disturbing. Police are investigating an apparent sexual attack by a family pit bull on a two-year-old boy in Lockport. The boy is at Women and Children's Hospital. News 4's Lorey Schultz reports.

This two-year-old pit bull shows no signs of aggression, but it did on Sunday when it apparently sodomized a Lockport toddler.

Residents who live in the neighborhood where it happened are still talking about it.

One neighbor said, "You hear about dogs attacking children in horror films, but as far as in this community, it's never happened."

Police say the boy was sexually assaulted in his Washburn Street home by his family's two-year-old pit bull, who had been with them since it was a puppy.


http://wivb.com/Global/story.asp?s=6768851

_Lisa_ 07-12-2007 09:46 AM

Dogs hump things...people, toys, pillows, air, whatever. No way that dog was able to insert without help from someone.

DSTKellie 07-12-2007 09:50 AM

Thank you Lisa! I was just going to say that. There is no way that the dog would be able to pull off a diaper and insert his genitals in the infant. This story seems to off for me.

_Lisa_ 07-12-2007 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTKellie (Post 1483856)
Thank you Lisa! I was just going to say that. There is no way that the dog would be able to pull off a diaper and insert his genitals in the infant. This story seems to off for me.

I'd say its likely the dog pulled off the diaper, but not with the intent to penetrate the child. Even with the diaper pulled off, I still think it had to have help, I mean-dogs hump each other willingly & still can't succesfully penetrate.

DaemonSeid 07-12-2007 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTKellie (Post 1483856)
Thank you Lisa! I was just going to say that. There is no way that the dog would be able to pull off a diaper and insert his genitals in the infant. This story seems to off for me.

noiw....we DO remember that sodomy does NOT necessarily mean to penetrate right....?

In most cases, sodomy is oral sex.....

Drolefille 07-12-2007 10:05 AM

In a toddler no less? However I could see there still being injury from it. Who left a toddler alone with a pit bull? Pit Bulls are terriers and while they're generally very protective of their family, it's not good to leave small children along with terriers in the first place. (Not any dog for that matter, but terriers are worse than others)

_Lisa_ 07-12-2007 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1483862)
noiw....we DO remember that sodomy does NOT necessarily mean to penetrate right....?

In most cases, sodomy is oral sex.....

You make a good point, its just the impression I got from the article & the news video saying he had surgery on his rectum.

preciousjeni 07-12-2007 10:24 AM

Here's another article: http://www.tonawanda-news.com/local/...192134718.html

This is unbelievably bizarre. Poor child! What will happen when he grows up and is known as the boy who was raped by a dog? Flog the mother. Drollefille, you have it right. There is NO reason she should have left the child with the dog.

Are we sure this is for real??

Senusret I 07-12-2007 10:34 AM

I personally don't think it's for real.

Side note....does a pit bull have the length to be able to penetrate a rectum?

(I'm a cat person.)

_Lisa_ 07-12-2007 10:39 AM

The news video says that the family wants the dog destroyed but I think thats a bit harsh considering I'm with the rest of you on this either not being real, or at least not really happening as its presented.

Kevin 07-12-2007 10:52 AM

My guess is that a family member probably did the deed and the dog gets to be the scapegoat.. er dog.

Drolefille 07-12-2007 10:53 AM

But apparently there's DNA to test from the boy? I know that can be skin cells too, but still. My twisted mind is wondering if this is someone trying to cover up sexual abuse. ETA: Kevin posted faster than I did.

And yes, dog's penises would probably be large enough to penetrate a rectum, particularly a toddlers. They also have a bone in them which could have caused injuries even without actual penetration.

It's the removal of the diaper + mounting that's a hard believer for me. Unless the kid happened to be in a stripping stage. I don't know, I think there's more here than meets the eye, but it's not completely impossible.

I don't think the dog should be destroyed since this wasn't an attack and the boy's injuries were accidental on the dog's part.

Kevin 07-12-2007 11:17 AM

If the dog is being blamed for someone else's abuse, I think the family would be quick to want it destroyed as well if their intent is to cover up the abuse. This story just seems to be too strange to be true. I'm sure the investigators are just as skeptical as I am.

I would think that a forensic analysis should be able to say what went on.

-- perhaps this is a really good example of why woe should spay and neuter our pets? If this dog had been neutered (assuming this "attack" took place), it probably wouldn't have had the urge to hump the kid.

33girl 07-12-2007 11:27 AM

Neutering doesn't always cure that urge - my best friend's poodle is neutered and he's still humping away (pillows, etc). I agree with your earlier post, this is "the dog ate my homework" taken to the next level.

VandalSquirrel 07-12-2007 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1483938)
Neutering doesn't always cure that urge - my best friend's poodle is neutered and he's still humping away (pillows, etc). I agree with your earlier post, this is "the dog ate my homework" taken to the next level.

It might still hump, but wouldn't the critter be unable to achieve penetration? I swear I remember something from some animal behavior section of a class that mounting/humping has more to do with dominance than sex in a lot of instances.

Regardless this is my WTF story for the day.

ZTAngel 07-12-2007 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1483938)
Neutering doesn't always cure that urge - my best friend's poodle is neutered and he's still humping away (pillows, etc). I agree with your earlier post, this is "the dog ate my homework" taken to the next level.

My dog is a humper and he's neutered. It's a dominance thing rather than a sexual thing. And my dog has never done it to humans or inanimate objects...just some other unlucky dogs.

I just don't see how this dog pulled the diaper off the kid, mounted him and then humped. It doesn't seem plausible to me.

Kevin 07-12-2007 12:03 PM

That's assuming the parents put a diaper on the kid instead of letting it run around nekkit.

Remember -- we're talking about a family who left a toddler unattended with a big dog. Not exactly a Mayberryesque situation.

Drolefille 07-12-2007 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel (Post 1483968)
It might still hump, but wouldn't the critter be unable to achieve penetration? I swear I remember something from some animal behavior section of a class that mounting/humping has more to do with dominance than sex in a lot of instances.

Regardless this is my WTF story for the day.

Neutered dogs can still achieve an erection, as a far as penetration I have no idea... That is NOT a Google search I'm going to do at work.

_Lisa_ 07-12-2007 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1483978)
That's assuming the parents put a diaper on the kid instead of letting it run around nekkit.

A diaper was mentioned in the article & on the news video. But, who hasn't known toddlers to undress themselves from time-to-time anyway?

UGAalum94 07-12-2007 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1483980)
Neutered dogs can still achieve an erection, as a far as penetration I have no idea... That is NOT a Google search I'm going to do at work.

I am hesitant to even pull up the news story at home.

Ewww.

elusive47 07-12-2007 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1483880)
Here's another article: http://www.tonawanda-news.com/local/...192134718.html

This is unbelievably bizarre. Poor child! What will happen when he grows up and is known as the boy who was raped by a dog? Flog the mother. Drollefille, you have it right. There is NO reason she should have left the child with the dog.

Are we sure this is for real??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I
I personally don't think it's for real.

Side note....does a pit bull have the length to be able to penetrate a rectum?

(I'm a cat person.)

It's real, the story has been all over the local news all week. According to news reports, the mom was in the middle of changing her baby's diaper when she left the room only to find the dog sexually assaulting her son mintues later. The family now wants the dog to be euthanized, but the Animal Control department is holding off on doing so until an animal behaviorist from out-of-town determines what caused the dog to assault this baby. The Animal Control department will euthanize the dog if the behaviorist rules that the dog should be put to sleep and if the family requests it.

Drolefille 07-12-2007 05:35 PM

I'm sorry there's no excuse for leaving your toddler along with the dog for MINUTES. It is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. I don't care how much Fido loves Junior. There's too much of a change Junior will tug Fido's ears or somehow induce a predator/prey situation. Uh uh. This is a freak case, but honestly, they're lucky it wasn't a real mauling with an aggressive dog.

I hope the dog isn't put to sleep, he was clearly not being aggressive here and it's not like the death penalty for humans, he's not learning from any mistakes or anything. He's a dog.

ZTABullwinkle 07-12-2007 06:10 PM

This is really disturbing to think that

a. this is true OR
b. this is a coverup of sexual abuse suffered by the child.

SWTXBelle 07-12-2007 06:28 PM

There's no happy way to read this story.

As to putting the dog down - my mother had a wonderful Old English Sheepdog. He was asleep, and my autistic nephew pounced on him. Kipling bit his nose - OFF. He wasn't mean - he was just being defensive. If he had been a poodle it would have been no problem. My nephew is fine - the nose was reattached and he has a small scar. But the dog had to be put to sleep because we couldn't take the risk of anything happening again.My mother called Sheepdog Rescue - but they couldn't take him because once a dog has bitten someone he is a liability risk. :(

Drolefille 07-12-2007 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1484235)
There's no happy way to read this story.

As to putting the dog down - my mother had a wonderful Old English Sheepdog. He was asleep, and my autistic nephew pounced on him. Kipling bit his nose - OFF. He wasn't mean - he was just being defensive. If he had been a poodle it would have been no problem. My nephew is fine - the nose was reattached and he has a small scar. But the dog had to be put to sleep because we couldn't take the risk of anything happening again.My mother called Sheepdog Rescue - but they couldn't take him because once a dog has bitten someone he is a liability risk. :(

That is sad. And I know a lot of places have rules like that, but this wasn't aggressive and I can't see a reason to put this dog down except for the family wanting it that way.

Educatingblue 07-12-2007 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1484235)
There's no happy way to read this story.

As to putting the dog down - my mother had a wonderful Old English Sheepdog. He was asleep, and my autistic nephew pounced on him. Kipling bit his nose - OFF. He wasn't mean - he was just being defensive. If he had been a poodle it would have been no problem. My nephew is fine - the nose was reattached and he has a small scar. But the dog had to be put to sleep because we couldn't take the risk of anything happening again.My mother called Sheepdog Rescue - but they couldn't take him because once a dog has bitten someone he is a liability risk. :(

That's really sad. I get antsy when my niece and nephew come over and play with my dog and I am not home (but my husband is). Some kids do not know how to properly interact around dogs and put themselves and the dog in danger.

kstar 07-12-2007 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1484235)
There's no happy way to read this story.
If he had been a poodle it would have been no problem.

Not necessarily. There have been cases of Poodles maiming and pomeranians killing.

Kevin 07-13-2007 12:19 AM

My dad once had a case where his client was sued by the owner of a pit bull which had dug under a fence and had been attacked and severely maimed by his client's chihuahua.


(dad won)

SWTXBelle 07-13-2007 08:01 AM

Okay, okay - all I meant was that Kipling didn't attack my nephew, he just made one quick bite because he was startled awake and so was in defensive mode. His massive jaws are why the damage was so bad. I will be wary of poodles from now on!

adpiucf 07-13-2007 09:06 AM

I really can't believe this story. I don't doubt that dogs are capable of attacking, maiming and even killing people, but sexual assault?

Most un-neutered dogs I know that hump even need considerable help when it comes to actual mating. I can't believe that in the time the parent left the child alone, the family dog attacked, pinned and pentrated the child.

The moment the dog jumped at the kid--let alone attacked-- wouldn't the child have screamed bloody murder? Would the parent not have come running at the child's crys? And how could the dog have acted so quickly to penetrate? We've all seen dogs trying to hump other dogs...

This wouldn't be the first time someone has tried to pin the blame for child abuse on someone/something else.

ETA: Reading the story-- the dog spooked and dragged the child outside, where the neighbors could see what was going on. They took some time to disentangle the boy and the dog.... seriously? Seriously?? I know dogs have a bone in their willies, but I can't imagine (pardon my being so graphic) that the violent jerking of the dog upon being discovered would not have yanked him free from the boy's rectum before he could run outside, still "attached" to the child.

SWTXBelle 07-13-2007 03:49 PM

Ummm . . . I have had the fun job of giving a 2 yr. old a suppository. It wasn't easy, even with the advantage of hands (!)
I just don't see how this could happen . . .but the world is a strange, strange place.

Drolefille 07-13-2007 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adpiucf (Post 1484544)
I really can't believe this story. I don't doubt that dogs are capable of attacking, maiming and even killing people, but sexual assault?

Most un-neutered dogs I know that hump even need considerable help when it comes to actual mating. I can't believe that in the time the parent left the child alone, the family dog attacked, pinned and pentrated the child.

The moment the dog jumped at the kid--let alone attacked-- wouldn't the child have screamed bloody murder? Would the parent not have come running at the child's crys? And how could the dog have acted so quickly to penetrate? We've all seen dogs trying to hump other dogs...

This wouldn't be the first time someone has tried to pin the blame for child abuse on someone/something else.

ETA: Reading the story-- the dog spooked and dragged the child outside, where the neighbors could see what was going on. They took some time to disentangle the boy and the dog.... seriously? Seriously?? I know dogs have a bone in their willies, but I can't imagine (pardon my being so graphic) that the violent jerking of the dog upon being discovered would not have yanked him free from the boy's rectum before he could run outside, still "attached" to the child.

I'm not sure the fact that the boy and dog were still "engtangled" means that the assault was still occuring (for lack of better terms)

_Lisa_ 07-13-2007 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1484864)
I'm not sure the fact that the boy and dog were still "engtangled" means that the assault was still occuring (for lack of better terms)

Most likely it was, when a male dog is ready to ejaculate, the bulbous gland swells, effectively creating a "tie". Removing the penis by force does damage the surrounding tissues. Too much information I know, but its true.

Still, I don't understand how experienced males can't penetrate & need help to do so when mating, but this curious creature was able to do so in just a matter of minutes on his own? I'm not buying it.

Drolefille 07-13-2007 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Lisa_ (Post 1484869)
Most likely it was, when a male dog is ready to ejaculate, the bulbous gland swells, effectively creating a "tie". Removing the penis by force does damage the surrounding tissues. Too much information I know, but its true.

Still, I don't understand how experienced males can't penetrate & need help to do so when mating, but this curious creature was able to do so in just a matter of minutes on his own? I'm not buying it.

Yeah I know about the knotting, but I can't imagine a dog being able to knot with a toddler. Plus you would have thought that SOME media outlet would have gotten a hold of the terminology and used it instead of just "entangled"

adpiucf 07-13-2007 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Lisa_ (Post 1484869)

Still, I don't understand how experienced males can't penetrate & need help to do so ...

Oh so many inappropriate comments in my head... LOL. Sorry, this thread needed some levity.

ZTAngel 07-13-2007 05:13 PM

My friend caught her dog mating with her boyfriend's dog one day. Both are not fixed. She tried to pull them apart and was unable to. Once a dog has that "knot", it is almost impossible to pull it out. Wow....very graphic.

Anyhow, I still don't understand how this happened. It just seems like something you would hear about on one of those crime drama shows but know it could never really happen in real life.

_Lisa_ 07-13-2007 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZTAngel (Post 1484900)
It just seems like something you would hear about on one of those crime drama shows but know it could never really happen in real life.

Maybe we will on an upcoming L&O SVU episode?

DeltAlum 07-14-2007 01:17 AM

No relation between the stories, but Aurora (Colorado) Police had to shoot and kill a pit bull that attacked two older women in their house. The cops shot the dog through the front door as they were trying to get inside to aid the women. At least one woman was hurt badly.

There were also two children in the house who weren't injured.

_Lisa_ 07-15-2007 09:46 AM

Another Article

Highlights include misquotes, a relocated mother of the child, & possible past cases that were similar.

DeltAlum 07-15-2007 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Lisa_ (Post 1485392)
Another Article

Highlights include misquotes, a relocated mother of the child, & possible past cases that were similar.

I might be a little leary of a webpage called "StinkyJournalism.com -- but it isn't badly written and seems to be documented.

If I were them, I might change the name, though -- it could be construed to relate to either other organizations or themselves.

Still, it's hard for me to believe a dog would/could do this.


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