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DaemonSeid 06-25-2007 03:59 PM

Genarlow Wilson's Tragic Sentencing for Consensual Oral Sex
 
By Van Jones and James Rucker, Color of Change
Posted on June 19, 2007

http://www.alternet.org/story/54413/

Last Monday, June 11th, a judge finally dismissed the sentence of Genarlow Wilson-the honor roll student and homecoming king serving ten years in prison for having consensual oral sex with a 15 year old when he was 17. In granting Wilson's habeas corpus petition, Georgia Superior Court Judge Thomas Wilson wrote that it would be a "grave miscarriage of justice" for Wilson to be kept in prison for the remaining eight years of his sentence.

Yet, immediately after the judge's ruling, Georgia's Attorney General, Thurbert E. Baker, filed a notice saying that his office would appeal the decision, leaving Wilson stuck in jail. Baker's actions have not only robbed Wilson of his long overdue freedom, they epitomize the insanity of a justice system that seems hell-bent on criminalizing young Black men.

At a New Year's Eve party in 2003, Wilson had consensual oral sex with another teen -- she was 15 and he was 17. Under an old Georgia law, he was convicted of aggravated child molestation, a charge intended for adult sexual predators. Sexual intercourse with the same girl would have been a misdemeanor under a "Romeo and Juliet" exemption for contact between minors; but because the exemption did not mention oral sex, Wilson, an honors student and star athlete with no prior criminal record, received a mandatory ten-year sentence without possibility of parole

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and in that same building on the same day:

Yet right down the hall, Alexander High School English teacher Kari McCarley was standing trial for "carrying on a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old male student." She was married, with children. This wasn't a one-time sexual encounter. Her sentence? Three years probation and 90 days in jail.

Like the judge in that case, most of the posters at Free Republic thought her crime was no big deal.

District Attorney David McDade: "We suggested prison time, but the judge imposed a sentence that he felt was right. She [McCarley] was not having sex with a student directly under her supervision."

See, with sexual intercourse, the judge has discretion. With aggravated child molestation, the legislature set the minimum at 10 years. Nevermind that the intent of the legislation was to prosecute adults preying on pre-adolescent children, not two teens where the younger teen initiated the sexual contact.


http://uspolitics.about.com/b/a/207995.htm

Rudey 06-25-2007 04:02 PM

Female teachers that screw their students will never get in much trouble. It has nothing to do with race. Black, white, it's all pink on the inside and it's OK only if the older person is female.

-Rudey

RU OX Alum 06-25-2007 04:12 PM

GA's Attorney General should get a nice swift round house kick in the brain stem

Kevlar281 06-25-2007 07:26 PM

The other side of the coin...

1. Genarlow Wilson was charged with rape, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, aggravated sodomy and aggravated child molestation.

2. Wilson engaged in intercourse with the 17-year-old after she was passed out drunk and high on drugs and encouraged the others to join him. The 17-year-old that accused the young men of rape and has never recanted. The 17-year-old was locked in the bathroom in between the sex acts and this resulted in a "false imprisonment" conviction for one of the men involved that evening.

3. There were six men with 40 prior arrests among them in a hotel room with a semi-conscious girl and a minor. One of the men impregnated a 12-year-old while awaiting trial and has since been convicted of statutory rape. Five of the six men pled guilty to the lesser charge of child molestation instead of aggravated child molestation. All are serving time.

4. Wilson refused the plea bargain and was unanimously convicted by a jury of his peers. The sentence for his crimes is a harsh, but mandatory, 10 years in prison.

1908Revelations 06-25-2007 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1473397)
GA's Attorney General should get a nice swift round house kick in the brain stem

Following w/ Robert's rules:

I second!

UGAalum94 06-25-2007 08:04 PM

I think the biggest factor in the comparison presented is the willingness of the teacher to plea bargain.

If you have the kind of proof against you that they did in this case and you don't deal and insist on trial, you're choosing to put your life in the hands of a judge and/or jury (ETA: actually minimum sentencing guidelines, rather than either) because I don't think you can usually expect the prosecutor or judge to see justice for you once you're convicted as something lighter than the offer that you turned down. After you're convicted of the charge that earns the minimum sentence, a lot of hands are tied.

I'd be glad if the guy were released because the sentence was excessive, but don't forget he was actually guilty of a crime/crimes, and that he (and his lawyer, I guess) chose to gamble at trial with a crime that carried this minimum sentence.

We can all feel like he wasn't really a child molester, but as the law was written, he was.

jitterbug13 06-25-2007 08:24 PM

There's already a thread on this somewhere in this forum.

Munchkin03 06-25-2007 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jitterbug13 (Post 1473597)
There's already a thread on this somewhere in this forum.


It was locked not long after it started.

jitterbug13 06-25-2007 11:18 PM

That's right. :)

DaemonSeid 06-26-2007 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jitterbug13 (Post 1473765)
That's right. :)

I did a search on the topic and it was in the DST forum....so, I didn't want to step on any toes thus I posted here...but thank you for your diligence......

KDAngel 06-27-2007 09:44 AM

This story continues to amaze me. I signed the official petition online to release the guy ago. But, just last week I went a Senate mtg where this was being discussed (well, before the session anyway) and pretty much everyone thought it was ridiculous. The poor guy. Seriously.

DaemonSeid 06-27-2007 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KDAngel (Post 1475274)
This story continues to amaze me. I signed the official petition online to release the guy ago. But, just last week I went a Senate mtg where this was being discussed (well, before the session anyway) and pretty much everyone thought it was ridiculous. The poor guy. Seriously.

I tell ya....if I or any of my friends got arrested on 1/2 the stuff we did when we were teens (video NOT among this of course!) I would still be in jail... if anythign for the stuff I DID get caught doing basically required a thorough shewing out by my parents and more chores than u can shake a stick at.

why do we wanna jail this kid for oral sex...when it's real child molestors we have to worry about?

Kevin 06-27-2007 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1475283)
why do we wanna jail this kid for oral sex...when it's real child molestors we have to worry about?

It's because the state legislature, in its infinite wisdom, has seen fit to not draw that distinction.

Also, I'm not sure, but have they perhaps robbed the judge of his discretion during sentencing by imposing mandatory sentencing for this crime? Reading through the articles, I don't think that's the case, but that is a big issue when it comes to mandatory sentencing. Sometimes, the shoe just doesn't fit.

DaemonSeid 06-27-2007 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1475294)
It's because the state legislature, in its infinite wisdom, has seen fit to not draw that distinction.

Also, I'm not sure, but have they perhaps robbed the judge of his discretion during sentencing by imposing mandatory sentencing for this crime? Reading through the articles, I don't think that's the case, but that is a big issue when it comes to mandatory sentencing. Sometimes, the shoe just doesn't fit.


sigh....like me trying to fit my size 15s into a size 10....

This is a waste of taxpayer money...somebody had an axe to grind

Kevin 06-27-2007 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1475298)
sigh....like me trying to fit my size 15s into a size 10....

This is a waste of taxpayer money...somebody had an axe to grind

No. More likely, it's poorly written legislation. Legislators are so busy trying to close up the loopholes to catch the real bad guys that they forget that their laws might have unintended consequences.

The worst part is that a legislator who wants to brings common sense back to his state's criminal code will be accused by opponents as being soft on crime, a charge that the generally uninformed electorate will definitely find persuasive -- especially if any changes to the existing law allow child molesters to go free without serving what the public perceives to be a fair sentence.

DaemonSeid 06-27-2007 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1475357)
No. More likely, it's poorly written legislation. Legislators are so busy trying to close up the loopholes to catch the real bad guys that they forget that their laws might have unintended consequences.

The worst part is that a legislator who wants to brings common sense back to his state's criminal code will be accused by opponents as being soft on crime, a charge that the generally uninformed electorate will definitely find persuasive -- especially if any changes to the existing law allow child molesters to go free without serving what the public perceives to be a fair sentence.

I think u are right about the poorly written part...in the beginning when all this was going down, the prosecutor took advantage of the law to get Genarlow put away in the first place....I will have to find the article that discussed that point.

Kevin 06-27-2007 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1475368)
I think u are right about the poorly written part...in the beginning when all this was going down, the prosecutor took advantage of the law to get Genarlow put away in the first place....I will have to find the article that discussed that point.

I'm not sure I totally blame the prosecutor here. Wilson may be a bit of a martyr, but he was prosecuted fully within the law. The prosecutor may be doing the public a greater service by literally forcing the legislature to reexamine this really poorly written law. While Wilson may be in prison, perhaps his stay there will forestall the likelihood of future injustices such as his.

I'm sure that must be a pretty pathetic consolation to someone in prison, but sometimes, society needs a martyr. If there's any justice in the world, there will be a lot of public (financial) support for Mr. Wilson whenever he's released so that he can go on and get an education, etc.

Also, if I were an activist, I'd be putting pressure on the governor for a pardon. The governor's failing to do so thus far, in my eyes, tells me that enough pressure hasn't been put on him.

DaemonSeid 06-27-2007 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1475371)
I'm not sure I totally blame the prosecutor here. Wilson may be a bit of a martyr, but he was prosecuted fully within the law. The prosecutor may be doing the public a greater service by literally forcing the legislature to reexamine this really poorly written law. While Wilson may be in prison, perhaps his stay there will forestall the likelihood of future injustices such as his.

I'm sure that must be a pretty pathetic consolation to someone in prison, but sometimes, society needs a martyr. If there's any justice in the world, there will be a lot of public (financial) support for Mr. Wilson whenever he's released so that he can go on and get an education, etc.

Also, if I were an activist, I'd be putting pressure on the governor for a pardon. The governor's failing to do so thus far, in my eyes, tells me that enough pressure hasn't been put on him.


if you want to make an omelette you have be willing to break a few eggs..... ;)

Coramoor 06-27-2007 12:18 PM

It's sort of funny how people forget what a scumbag this kid is and only listen to what the media is spoon feeding them.

This guy is not a good or wrongly convicted person. Hell, ten years is too light.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevlar281 (Post 1473538)
The other side of the coin...

1. Genarlow Wilson was charged with rape, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, aggravated sodomy and aggravated child molestation.

2. Wilson engaged in intercourse with the 17-year-old after she was passed out drunk and high on drugs and encouraged the others to join him. The 17-year-old that accused the young men of rape and has never recanted. The 17-year-old was locked in the bathroom in between the sex acts and this resulted in a "false imprisonment" conviction for one of the men involved that evening.

3. There were six men with 40 prior arrests among them in a hotel room with a semi-conscious girl and a minor. One of the men impregnated a 12-year-old while awaiting trial and has since been convicted of statutory rape. Five of the six men pled guilty to the lesser charge of child molestation instead of aggravated child molestation. All are serving time.

4. Wilson refused the plea bargain and was unanimously convicted by a jury of his peers. The sentence for his crimes is a harsh, but mandatory, 10 years in prison.


KSig RC 06-27-2007 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coramoor (Post 1475399)
It's sort of funny how people forget what a scumbag this kid is and only listen to what the media is spoon feeding them.

This guy is not a good or wrongly convicted person. Hell, ten years is too light.

This is ironic, considering how twisted Kevlar's points had to be to draw a connection between them.

"Convicted of a jury of his peers" doesn't hold up, because he was convicted on a technicality, and the jurors have been interviewed post-verdict and noted they did not expect the sentence he got.

He's not on trial for his associations, nor should he be.

To my knowledge, he has never been convicted of sexing up a passed-out 17 year old - only of the (consensual) oral sex.

You have a good point about the media influence to an extent, but you're going just as far in the other direction. The punishment does not fit the crime as convicted - and for you to claim "10 years is too little" shows a sort of justice I don't want anything to do with.

Kevin 06-27-2007 01:36 PM

RC:

I think you'd agree with me that a prosecutor shouldn't try to punish someone for charges which he can't find evidence for with lesser charges that prosecutor can prove.

There are reasons we have rules of evidence -- to protect the innocent from unfounded allegations and give him an opportunity to confront his accuser.

Also, this country (in theory) has a presumption of innocence for the accused. This ought to be respected.

DaemonSeid 06-27-2007 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coramoor (Post 1475399)
It's sort of funny how people forget what a scumbag this kid is and only listen to what the media is spoon feeding them.

This guy is not a good or wrongly convicted person. Hell, ten years is too light.

Coramoor....


Hmmm....we got child molestors, murderers, and dope dealers on the streets...all this kid did was get a blow job...and dumb enuff to film it...I am guessing you saved your virginity until you were twenty one or you live in a monastary? or maybe you are just jealous that you didn't get any attention in your teens?

KSig RC 06-27-2007 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1475468)
RC:

I think you'd agree with me that a prosecutor shouldn't try to punish someone for charges which he can't find evidence for with lesser charges that prosecutor can prove.

There are reasons we have rules of evidence -- to protect the innocent from unfounded allegations and give him an opportunity to confront his accuser.

Also, this country (in theory) has a presumption of innocence for the accused. This ought to be respected.

Yes, this is exactly why I have quite a bit of distaste for Kevlar's earlier assertions - well put.

carnation 06-27-2007 02:49 PM

Is this the guy who videotaped the whole thing?

Kevlar281 06-27-2007 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1475417)
"Convicted of a jury of his peers" doesn't hold up, because he was convicted on a technicality, and the jurors have been interviewed post-verdict and noted they did not expect the sentence he got.

I’m really not surprised that some of the jurors have recanted considering the amount of scrutiny this case has received in the media. Regardless of whether they agree with the sentence that was given they did in fact find him guilty.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1475417)
He's not on trial for his associations, nor should he be.

I agree he is not on trial. He has been convicted. But now his case is in the media and in the court of public opinion wear I would say just about every story I have read in regard to this case has made it a point to mention that Genarlow Wilson was homecoming king, an honor roll student and a varsity letterman. Character works both ways and in this society right or wrong people are judged by the company they keep.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1475417)
To my knowledge, he has never been convicted of sexing up a passed-out 17 year old - only of the (consensual) oral sex.

This is correct he was not convicted; he was acquitted.

Rudey 06-27-2007 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carnation (Post 1475523)
Is this the guy who videotaped the whole thing?

Did you know the girl in the video?

-Rudey

Munchkin03 06-27-2007 09:42 PM

A group of businessmen here in NYC have put together the $1 million bond needed to get Genarlow out of prison.


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