Mom, 20, giving birth to third set of twins
 

Can I ask..why in the fuck are you continuing to pop out kids? :mad: And you got baby daddies scattered to the four winds?

Mom, 20, giving birth to third set of twins

12:46 PM CDT on Monday, June 4, 2007

By BRAD WATSON / WFAA-TV


When it comes to children, one Dallas mother knows about having them in pairs.

The odds are one in 500,000 but she's giving birth today to her third set of twins at Baylor University Medical Center.

But with the joy comes great challenges.

Inside the wood frame house, life resembles the nursery rhyme of the old woman who lived in a shoe.

But here, young mom Amanda Gonzales cares for four-year-old Natalie, three-year-old twins Adam and Sebastian and two-year-old twins Rachel and Raquel.

Two more twin girls are scheduled for a c-section birth today.

"I've always taken care of kids since I was little, I think that's where I got it. When I used to babysit a lot of kids, I wanted to have my own, a lot of kids," she said.

Gonzales enters the rare club of having fraternal twins three times.

She took no fertility drugs.

The father of the latest set of twins hopes he's ready.

"Just focus, trying to have my mind right. Try to have my mind right, you know," said Joshua Brown.

But with neither the 21-year-old father nor the 20-year-old mother employed - all the children are supported by welfare - the young family faces financial and emotional obstacles.

With the headlines fresh of the latest North Texas parent to kill her children, Amanda believes she can handle the stress - so does her mother.

"I've always talked to her and told her about it, if you ever get depressed that bad, you've got people you can you can talk to, your sister, your brother, her boyfriend," said Joan Gonzales.

But unlike nursery rhymes, reality in the end can be rough.

That's my favorite quote. I don't think that's where she got it... she got it from having sex at a young age. WHO is paying for these kids if neither are employed? And why, at age 21, is that guy not employed?

You are, and every other tax-paying American.

Why work, when you can get free money from the government? Oy...don't even get me started.

How can she work?? She's popping out kids every year! :rolleyes::mad:

Wow. I don't even know what else to say.

LOL @ "latest set".

This may stir up some controversy, but I think that China might be onto something in terms of population control. At least. as far as public support/welfare goes.

Indeed it is controversial, but why would someone think it's a good idea to have more children if they can't afford the ones they already have? There has to be a better way for our government, or some power that be, to handle this. I do know in some states, if you have another child while on cash assistance within a certain time frame, they will not add on that next child to your welfare check. At least that's a step in the right direction, although that child still is entitled to Food Stamps (they're two different programs).

ok, after the first set of twins there should have been some tubes being tied. especially at that young age. the second set? girl, ya got miracle-gro in your veins...use everything on the market for protection!

keep in mind people, that there was one other child at the very beginning...so this actually totals 7 kids. im not judging her, but my goodness, if you are struggling now, what do you think an extra 2 kids is going to do? she will be in outright poverty! this is unfair to everyone involved...she has lost her childhood, the kids no longer have a woman 100% dedicated to mothering at her utmost potential, the father of the "latest set" has to deal with a truckload of baby daddies...what was she thinking??

Ditto.

I've always gone shopping since I was little. That doesn't mean I own Saks.

If any of those fathers are paying child support, typically, a child support payment from a father for 1 child is higher than for two+.. so it's a better deal for these girls to have babies with as many (employed) men as possible.

I've seen a fair number of cases of these women who bounce from guy to guy collecting child support checks and babies.

My spidey senses are telling me that none of these guys is paying "NUTHIN' ".

This whole story makes me go "oy"...(shaking my head...off to do evening cardio)

Is it bad that after working in the child welfare system for a year, I'm actually impressed that she managed to go over a year before getting pregnant the fourth time?

This story repulses me on so many levels.

You know...this latest set of twins is being delivered via c-section...it would be reallllllly easy for the doctor to do a tubal ligation at the same time. (hint, hint)

Why in the world is a 21 year old male who is about to become a father (presumably for the first time - I get the impression that her other kids aren't his) NOT EMPLOYED? Jebus - go mop floors somewhere, work at Mickey D's, whatever it takes for crying out loud. (It ain't gonna affect baby momma's welfare check...after all, you two aren't married anyhow :rolleyes: )

Also...sorry, but "Rachel and Raquel"? :rolleyes: That's almost as bad as my former co-worker's sister who gave birth to triplets named Anthony, Antoine, and Antonio. :(:rolleyes::rolleyes:

P.S. Comment from a random blog about Ms. Gonzalez...

I'm sorry that is disgusting. That is Incredibly disgusting.

Wow...don't know what else to say on this one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6670217.stm

Note - in case I wasn't clear the first time, I didn't mean that the doctor should do a tubal without her consent. (given that it would be illegal and unethical for a physician to do)

I've had 2 c-sections, and its easy for the doctor to do while he's in there with minimal additional expense (since he's already in the general area anyhow) - hopefully her doctor encouraged her to consider that option. (I know that my doctor told me during my 2nd pregnancy that if I was ever planning to have a tubal, it would be easy for him to do during my scheduled c-section.)

Actually, I've heard this too. Someone I know got hers done that way.

yeah it would be, although there are plenty of women who need to STOP GETTING PREGNANT! it is truly harder to get pregnant than to prevent it! i have a cousin (distant) who has had 8 children by 8 men while she was a cracked out prostitute. if ANYONE needs to stop having kids, she is on that list! and the worst part? she hasnt raised a single one. everytime she has the child and the doctors realize she used crack while pregnant, they lock her up and take the baby. 3 are in foster care, one died (SIDS), and 4 were adopted. she gets out in enough time to find some crack and start all over. oh, did i mention she's only 33?

if u like kids, have them. if you cant take care of them, dont.

She wasn't thinking...it's sad...

In retrospect, I really wish I would have had it done at the time my son was born. We were about 98% sure we didn't want to have any more children...the other 2% was just me thinking "well, what if I only think I don't want more kids b/c I'm just sick of being pregnant right now?"

If I'd had it done at the time of my last c-section, it would have been a medically simple procedure that might have added an extra $200 or so to our total bill. Now, either my husband or I will have to go through a surgical procedure (as opposed to having it done in the middle of a surgery I was already having anyhow), and we'll have to fork over a couple grand for it. :(

One of my best friends had it done during a c-section last fall. (She already had 2 daughters and then had a son in August - she definitely knew she didn't want any more kids. Probably would have stopped at 2, but they really wanted to try for a boy. lol)

Anyhow, drolefille, that's more what I was getting at with the initial comment - this girl probably shouldn't be having any more kids. (Each birth becomes more of a medical risk for her, not to mention that she has 1 in 5 odds of a future pregnancy being twins again according to the article I read.) The medical risks for her and also the expense would be lower if the doctor did it during the c-section. The hint, hint comment was referencing that since the state is already paying for her 7 kids, maybe she should get the hint that its not fair to add more kids to the state's financial burden. Not a hint, hint to the doctor to do it whether or not she consents.

One word......


Horrible!

we had an employee who was a baby daddy 7 times over-to 7 different women. when i cut his paycheck, i had to also cut 7 child support checks and send them to various nearby county agencies for distribution to the appropriate mothers. he made next to squat because he was an unskilled laborer, and then the mothers got next to squat because they only had a share of the paycheck. he did not last long however, because when he was supposed to be delivering some material to a job, he was busy delivering something else to potential baby mama #8.

yes, that would SRSLY be straight out of the Handmaid's Tale or Brave New World..... :eek:

Soon she'll be competition for Michelle Duggar...*shudder*

Thanks for the clarification. Too many people suggest things like that seriously. I agree that she shouldn't be having children without the ability to pay for them, but the article doesn't give the full story. The assumption that "dad" isn't working because the state takes care of him is pretty groundless without more information.

I've actually heard that getting a tubal post C-Section is less effective than as a seperate procedure. Something about your body being more likely to heal itself post-partum or something like that.
Yeah tell me about it. Unfortunately it's happened. If you want a tubal when on medicaid you have to submit a written request at least 3 months in advance. (At least in some states) This is to prevent doctors from taking the opportunity and running with it.

I think some girls/women think it is cute to get pregnant and have babies. If you are responsible you can avoid unwanted pregnancies. What kind of mother would want their child to live in poverty and have a good possibility of staying in poverty.

I'm sorry, but I really cringe when I hear people say they have an unplanned pregancy. You obviously planned something...

wellll.......
 

i think most insurance companies will pay for a vesectomy but not the reversal.

but to respond to the original thread, i find it disgusting that this woman and others like her are popping out children like its ok.

her ob should have 'made' her get the tubal ligation.

Now is a bad time to look to China. They are paying people to have kids right now. lol

But in regards to this story...all I can say is wow :( And ask what a previous poster did and that is why is the man not working?

:rolleyes: Thanks for taking us back to the dark ages.

FYI doctors will RARELY perform a tubal ligation on a 20-year old unless there is a very strong medical reason.

true, i know in some cases they will only do it past a certain age or # of children...and in this case i think she had hit the minimum needed a couple of years ago! regardless, she should still know all her other options. if you have 2 sets of twins, get on birth control and get pregnant again, well, that just was meant to be...

True. The sad thing in her case is she has ALL of those children and no husband. What if she finds Mr. Right and he wants his own children :confused:

You are correct. If you have a child (birth or adoption) after receiving a check for 10 months, that child (and future children) will not be added to your case. More babies doesn't equal more money. That's a welfare reform change effective August 22, 1996 (can ya tell I work for social services?).


I hate seeing my clients come in pregnant AGAIN, with baby #3,4,5 or higher. :eek: I'm struggling with my one, and have help from her dad. sheesh..

A box of 12 rubbers is $3.75 at wal mart and are free at the health department. sheesh.

^^^AMEN TO THAT NIKKI!

there is a huge difference between those families on Discovery who have 17 kids, and the one who lives on 100% state support. the biggest difference? it always seems to me that the families on Discovery always planned for 17 kids, i.e Dad has a super paying job, they buy/build a huge house, they are skilled at organizing and budgeting, and they stop when they reach the desired number...

...these girls now? they breathe in too hard and pop out kids. they arent planned for, who has more than 3 kids in a 2 bedroom apartment if they can help it? who wants to go on state assistance if they can help it? it has got to be a miserable feeling...

Then he is not Mister Right!

interesting comment.....
 

i believe in reproductive freedom but jeez, there is something called personal responsibility. we are not talking about someone who is having children by the same man. this woman can't keep her legs closed. theoretically i would much rather 'pay' for her tubal ligation then pay for her wic and food stamps.

yes ma'am!!!
 

now that family is such the exception!! ive seen their story a few times on discovery and i am always amazed at how she and her husband do it.