What would you do if your son...
 

Hello gentlemen!

On AKA Av. there is a thread asking about our daughters (if/when we have them about them joining another sorority).

Sooo.....How do you feel about your son and the thought of a fraternity other than your own? I have a friend who insist that his son (should he have one) will be a Kappa and he couldn't imagine anything else.





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I didn't want to post the same question in all of the 5 forums, so tell us what you think.

I am only insisting that my children (male and/or female) pledge Alpha Phi Omega. If there is no chapter, they will charter or recharter one. :)

I am so dead serious. Me and Attractive#7 (absent GC poster) have already decided this. Her baby has already worn her APO onesie. :D

If my son(s) don't pledge Alpha, that's okay. Although I would like for them to have a fraternity experience, I'd be more hurt if they pledged one of my "must not pledge" organizations. lol

But serious, too.

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If my son (or daughter) wants to pledge Alpha Phi Omega, I would tell them exactly what to expect, so that they will know what they are getting into. In any event, I would fully support their decision either way they decide to go. If my son decides to be a Gamma Sig, I'm disowning him (j/k) :D

If my son wanted to join an NPHC org other than Kappa, I would respect their decision, though I would ask why they were interested in another org.

If my son wanted to join an NIC org, I would be surprised yet in some ways proud that he was willing to affiliate with those whose social culture would probably be different from what he would most likely be accustomed to--IMHO that requires a certain degree of humility, but if he can identify with such individuals that he could call them brothers, who am I to deny his right to such joy in a bond of brotherhood? I would tell him to expect a social dynamic that is significantly different from that of an NPHC org, but if he can handle that, more power to him.

Be quiet!

I don't have any biological kids, but I am the Guide Right Chairperson for our chapter. Therefore, I call my Kappa League, my 'sons'. I tell them all the time that they do not have to pledge KAPPA, but always remember that 'anything less than the best is a felony!' I know have a couple that want to pledge other orgs., and I can respect their choice to do so, but there are two orgs. that I will automatically be like...:confused:

I have a daughter and she will pledge Alpha Kappa Alpha. It is her destiny. My mom and my sister and I both did and I am sure she will not need any pursusasion to join.:)

Okay.
A comes before K.
Alpha comes before Kappa.


Anyway, there IS an Alpha Kappa Alpha forum or AKA AVE. When you arrive, please let us know your AKA info (chapter of initiation, year, etc) in the appropriate thread, it's STUCK at the top. You can't miss it. :D

Thanks!

Hello All:

Naturally I want my two sons (ages 4 and 6) to be Kappas like me. However, if they decide to go with another NPHC organization I won't be mad at them. If they go outside of the NPHC we will have a problem....:)

All in all, I am more concerned about them becoming Prince Hall Masons than I am in them becoming Kappas (although I love both).

Nupe357

I don't have any children yet, but if I did have a son, I wouldn't mind if he pledged another fraternity as long as it was within the NPHC. If it was any glo outside of the NPHC, then I would have an issue with that.

My dad is an Alpha, and both my brother and I pledged Kappa. So it happens.:)

Interesting because this just happened on Ole Miss' campus:

AKA_Monet thanks for posting this. This is exactly what I'm talking about, and the reason why I wouldn't want my sons or daughters pledging or getting involved in any of the white glos. They were founded on racist beliefs and they are still racist.

btw: You jokers outside of the NPHC can comment on my post here if you want to, but my opinions about your glos are going to remain unchanged.;)

That's funny.... wasn't your fraternity the first of the NPHC to also join the NIC?

doesn't seem like an apples to apples comparison to me.

Kappa being part of the umbrella organization established for fraternities founded on "racist beliefs" is ironic to me.

By your logic, you shouldn't wish to be a part of this country as it was found more on racist ideals than any fraternity. I don't know any fraternity with racist ideals. Racist past, yes, racist members, yes, but that is because of the society we live in.

Based on my logic I shouldn't wish to be a part of this country? Are you nuts!? Dude, I'm very proud to be a part of this country, because African Americans took a large part in building it to what it is now. On top of that, this all came with FREE labor too. You could have kept that comment.

Racist past? Huh? Girl, this stuff is still going on today. Rather it's the society we live in or not, judging anyone based on skin color alone is wrong and there's no excuse for that. It's just flat out wrong.
Also, there are still chapters within the NPC and IFC that to this very day have not initiated a black student. So it's still very much present. Again, I wouldn't be able to stop my children from joining outside of the NPHC umbrella group, but if they did, I would be very concerned for their safety and well being. I'm glad African American fraternities and sororities were founded, because if they weren't, then I wouldn't be greek at all, because I wouldn't be a part of an organization that was founded on racist beliefs. We helped in the process of building this country, so I'm proud to be a part of that. We didn't build your glos, we were and still are at some colleges across the country rejected from them for being black.


I think the best thing is for you and I to just agree to disagree.

Copying and pasting information from your fraternity's website is meaningless to me, even moreso when you put it in bold. In that vein, I reformatted it to match its value to me.

Now, if you would READ what I said.... YOUR fraternity was first among black fraternities to join the so-called "racist" fraternities' umbrella organization. Why is that?

You wouldn't want your children to be part of an organization you believe was "founded on racist ideals" but you're ok being part of a country that was founded on more racist ideals than any fraternity every could be?

Just as this country was founded with a "white male only" idea of freedom, many of our GLOs were founded with a "white male" then "white female" only idea of brotherhood or sisterhood. Our founders probably did not even consider the fact that a black person would be in college, much less interested in membership. They were products of their times.

Yes, there are members who are still racist. You ignored that part of my comment in your effort to emphasize how it's not all in the past. There are also campuses where not a single black person goes through recruitment (for men or women) because of a percieved bias that isn't necessarily there. Are there chapters of Kappa Alpha Psi that have never initiated a non-black person? A white person? Do you have members who would never accept a white person for membership?

Our society has these divisions in them and Greek life is a cross section of people. You cannot expect every Greek to be this perfect unbiased person.

That said, my sisters were of all colors. They were all supported, they were all loved. There was no distinction made either in their selection or in their membership. Things aren't all the same everywhere.

ETA I don't think I'm ever going to be ok with your mischaracterization of "white" GLOs. So no, I can't in good conscience "agree to disagree." I only hope your children would be able to follow their own heart and not their fathers.

Drolefille and Senusret 1 I just typed a whole book in response to your posts and it didn't post. Starting all over. :(

Well, anyway, Drollefile and Senusret I don't want you two to get offended my my opinions. I think you two are two of the more intelligent members on this website, based on some of your previous postings on past topics. I can't say I agree with them all but I still have the highest respect for the both of you based on your postings.

o.k. Senusret 1, my copying, pasting, and bolding from our fraternity's website was not to offend you or belittle your post. I have no clue why we joined up with NIC, but I think it's a great step in the right direction for more integration, which is why I bolded what we were founded upon. wglos and blgos are still largely segregated, and making a decision to join another umbrella group outside of the NPHC is a good thing. The fact that we have joined the NIC still shows we're following the principles of Kappa Alpha Psi. You stated that what I posted is meaningless to you, I can't change your opinion on that, but what I can say is all glos under the NPHC umbrella group and what they stand for are very meaningful to me.

Drollefile, like I said before, I'm very proud to be a part of this country, because we helped in the process of building it. We did not build your glos so therefore they mean very little to me. Your're right, there are probably some glos under the NPHC umbrella group that deny membership to whites, but I think the reason behind that is not only because we were and still are denied membership in your glos, but because of the way we were violently treated in the past and in some cases we still are. Though I don't agree with it, but I understand the reason behind it. Your oganizations had no other reason to deny membership to us other than the fact of being black. So in turn we started our own fraternities and sorortities. Kappa Alpha Psi was founded not to exlude anyone who wasn't black. Anyone about achievement creates a green light for membership. I can't say the same for Sigma Kappa. As you stated, Sigma Kappa may have some non-white members, but your founders would have denied membership to a black woman in a heartbeat, for one simple reason. She's black. I'm sure they would have called her something else, if you know what I mean. I'm not sure when your sorority was founded, but I'm sure it was founded when a lot of African Americans weren't enrolled in college, but as the numbers increased I know good and well your sorority would have denied a black woman membership. You stated that blacks generally don't have much intersest in joining your glos, and personally I don't think they should have any interest in joining. Why join an organization whos founders denied membership to people who were non-white? How can someone tell another human being you can't be apart of this because you're not white? That is so stupid to me and it's pointless. Sorry Drolefille but it's very difficult for me to have respect your organizations. Nothing against you as a person, but I hate the fact that your sorority and the other 25 sororities under your umbrella group denied membership to non-whites and in some cases still do. The same to traditionally white fraternities.

What really gets me is now NPC sororites are now stepping like us. If they want to step, that's fine, but I hope they don't try and call it there own one day.

Though I enjoyed chatting with you two, we can debate until we're blue in the face, but I still don't agree with you.

Also Senusret, check your PM. I'm sending you something from youtube, look at all of it and tell me what you think.

Sorry for the book.:o:D

Still trying to figure out why Senusret and Drolefille are jumping down PB's throat for HIS opinion, which he has stated in HIS org's forum and which I can understand.

And I still don't understand why Kappa becoming a member of the NIC is ironic. Maybe it's a matter of working from within to change the org. Not to mention that our orgs generally are ruled by majority vote which could mean that 49 percent of the members could have different personal views from the actions of the org.

but let's call it like it is...
 

While I understand your stance (really, I believe I get where you are coming from), weren't there NPHC orgs that have been historically NOTORIOUS for doing the very same thing-- judging potential members by the color of their skin as opposed to the full content of their characters? Perhaps "colorism" wasn't necessarily built into any of our founder's requisites for membership into any of our organizations, skin color hasn't been an issue solely affecting groups outside of the NPHC... and there are TONS more chapters in the NPHC who "segregate" amongs US (meaning people of color), too...
just a thought.

The Willie Lynch letter isn't real. http://blackeducator.blogspot.com/20...ch-speech.html

It isn't? Oh, o.k.

Btw. Your fraternity won the stepshow during homecoming this past weekend. Congrats.

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Okay-even if it is fictitious- I read that book last year (I bought it at the DuSable Museum in Chicago; if you are ever in the area, GO check this museum out!). . .
your point?

Pretty Boy not only did you handle this difference of opinion with klass and intellect; hopefully you have set the tone and standard for others who like to attack and criticize individuals with different views….Kontinue to Rock Da Diamond!!!!!!


G-Kue 1911

Get a grip.... this is a message board. Your opinions WILL be challenged and critiqued.

Look homie you’re wasting your time with all ya
‘extra” a$$ posting to me…I personally don’t care what your views are or who you challenge, I hit the site up to converse with ladies and bruh’s… so go internet thug on someone who will entertain that $h*t!!!!!!

Thanks Nupe. I really appreciate that.

Phi Nupie.

You ARE entertaining it you nitwit, lol

Yo! to G-Kue and Pretty Boy. Good to see Nupes in here holding the forum down while I'm out 'n' about. Got my letters on here at the job for the OSU/Michigan office tailgate party.

Yo! the the Zeta (OSU) Nupes. Mad love for yall....

...and another Yo! to the Sigma (Michigan) Nupes. I figure it's gonna be a krunk weekend up in Ann Arbor this weekend.

OK, carry on everyone.