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jon1856 03-23-2007 06:50 PM

Rat Poison Found in Recalled Pet Food
 
Rat Poison Found in Recalled Pet Food

By MARK JOHNSON
AP
ALBANY, N.Y. (March 23) - Rat poison was found in pet food blamed for the deaths of at least 16 cats and dogs, but scientists said Friday they still don't know how it got there and predicted more animal deaths would be linked to it.
http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles...00010000000001

carnation 03-23-2007 06:57 PM

My daughter's bichon ate some of this soon after his arrival and went into kidney failure. Luckily, he beat it but we are so angry...

greeklawgirl 03-23-2007 07:07 PM

Glad the bichon is OK, carnation! Our chihuahua eats a special prescription diet which is not on the recall list, but she was in some distress this morning and I took her to the vet just in case. Turns out that she just has a UTI, but we were pretty worried there for a bit. I can't imagine how distressed and angry and upset all those affected pet owners must be. Those poor little munchkins...:(

amycat412 03-23-2007 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greeklawgirl (Post 1417830)
Glad the bichon is OK, carnation! Our chihuahua eats a special prescription diet which is not on the recall list, but she was in some distress this morning and I took her to the vet just in case. Turns out that she just has a UTI, but we were pretty worried there for a bit. I can't imagine how distressed and angry and upset all those affected pet owners must be. Those poor little munchkins...:(

PUMPKIN MY LOVE!!!!!!

Jill1228 03-23-2007 09:38 PM

What sick bastard would do this? :mad:

Glad Bichon is okay, Carnation.

I give my 2 cats wet food about once a week but I am now scared to give it to them

AlexMack 03-23-2007 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jill1228 (Post 1417871)
What sick bastard would do this? :mad:

Glad Bichon is okay, Carnation.

I give my 2 cats wet food about once a week but I am now scared to give it to them

We give ours Friskies everyday and nothing bad has ever happened to them because of it. Don't be scared to do it.

Scandia 03-24-2007 07:18 AM

My mom thinks this is a terrorist attack.

By an individual targeting another individual, or a group targeting the USA because they dislike pets and think having them is a "Western" thing, I do not know.

PM_Mama00 03-24-2007 10:44 AM

I'm just hoping that something doesn't pop up with the dry NutroMax food. It's the only food that my dog will eat. I've never given him wet food because the vet said it's bad for their teeth.

jon1856 03-24-2007 10:54 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/23/pet....ap/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,260862,00.html
One of my local area papers seemed to point "the finger" at farmers, in China, using the aminopterin as a rat control around their crops/supplies.

Could it have gotten mixed in there in some sort of accident or migration? Humm??????

Lady Pi Phi 03-24-2007 11:02 AM

Mr. Pi Phi and I feed our cat wet food every day. Fortunately we don't buy any of the products that were on the recall list.

Right now there is a law suit against Royal Canin. There is a problem with bouth their wet and dry food. We got our cat from the Humane Society and they feed all their animals Royal Canin products and those are the products they recomended to us. Our cat isn't sick and we only ever bought the one bag of Royal Canin (and that was back in October). We stopped buying it because it was so expensive.

texas*princess 04-05-2007 07:31 PM

Recall expanded to include dog biscuits
 
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/05/pet.deaths/index.html

UGAalum94 04-05-2007 07:37 PM

One of the interesting things about this to me is the range of the products affected. Some of the really expensive "healthy" brands apparently make their products at the same plants with the same materials as the generic store brands.

It kind of makes you wonder.

Tippiechick 04-06-2007 12:01 AM

True, high-quality foods are not involved in this recall.

Why?

1) The really good brands use human-grade ingredients.

2) They do not use large amounts of fillers, like wheat gluten. Most of the petsmart/walmart/etc. brands have fillers as their main ingredients. Dogs only process a percentage (usually from 40-60%) of their food when fillers are used. When high-quality foods are used, the dogs' bodies can use around 90%. The more their bodies can use, the LESS THEY POOP OUT. Your good foods all have meat or protein as their main ingredient.

While you do pay more for high-quality foods, you aren't spending more money in the long run. Since they use so much more of the food for nutrition, they require less. I feed my dogs a fraction of what most people feed their dogs. But, they are healthy and happy.

Some really good brands are Solid Gold, Merrick, Primal, Flint River Ranch and Canidae.

If you absolutely cannot afford these brands, Purina One is the best store-brand. It's better than any petsmart brands.


ANOTHER OPTION:
Buy a bag of chicken thighs. Put them in a crockpot overnight with some brown rice and veg-all. Remove the bones before feeding. This is just as cheap as buying pet food. You just store the excess in the fridge and feed over the next week.

BetteDavisEyes 04-06-2007 12:21 AM

I feed my cats a combination of dry cat food and tuna. They always have plenty of water and dry cat food on hand but in the evening, they get fresh tuna. My poor mom has lots of cats. Technically, she only has 2 but she felt so sorry for all the poor neighborhood cats that she saw roaming around so she started feeding them all. One did get sick but it turned out to be something minor that was easily remedied.

PM_Mama00 04-06-2007 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga (Post 1424858)
One of the interesting things about this to me is the range of the products affected. Some of the really expensive "healthy" brands apparently make their products at the same plants with the same materials as the generic store brands.

It kind of makes you wonder.

Hmmm OMG the world is ending.

There are alot of high priced and low priced foods that are made in the same plants. Who cares? It matters what's in the food, not where it's made.

I'm trying to find a revised list that includes dry foods. I feed my dog Nutro Max food and treats. He also gets a Greenie once a week. Anyone know anything?

Drolefille 04-06-2007 01:27 AM

The only dry food I've seen was Hill Science Diet's feline m/d (dry only). They voluntarily pulled and it's the only variety of HSD affected last I'd seen.

UGAalum94 04-06-2007 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00 (Post 1425040)
Hmmm OMG the world is ending.

There are alot of high priced and low priced foods that are made in the same plants. Who cares? It matters what's in the food, not where it's made.

I'm trying to find a revised list that includes dry foods. I feed my dog Nutro Max food and treats. He also gets a Greenie once a week. Anyone know anything?

Did you not read the part where I mentioned that in addition to the same plants they apparently use the same materials.

If you are going to make smarty pants comments like "OMG the world is ending," maybe you should carefully read what you are commenting on.

Just saying.

Drolefille 04-06-2007 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga (Post 1425103)
Did you not read the part where I mentioned that in addition to the same plants they apparently use the same materials.

If you are going to make smarty pants comments like "OMG the world is ending," maybe you should carefully read what you are commenting on.

Just saying.

They use some of the same materials. It's the proportion that's different. Poorer quality foods have more of the fillers (like wheat gluten) than lesser quality foods. They're all different formulations.

EtaPhiZTA 04-06-2007 02:36 PM

I have been seriously considering changing my dog's food since all of this has been developing. I have a bichon who is 13 1/2 years old, and he has always been on a combination of Iams minichunks and Eukaneuba dry food. In addition to the dry kibble, I give him 1-2 Tbsp. of moist Iams mixed in. He likes his food, but I have to say I was very shocked to see that Iams dogfoods were made in the same plant as other brands. I always thought Iams was a high-quality food.

The local privately-owned pet store stocks Solid Gold dog food, and the owner could not sing its praises enough. (I was glad to see that this is considered to be a true high-quality dog food in Tippiechick's post.) I don't mind switching my dog's food, but I have always heard that dogs often have problems when being switched from one brand to another.

Does anyone have any advice for how to make the switch without getting my dog sick? I would appreciate any advice. Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tippiechick (Post 1425028)
True, high-quality foods are not involved in this recall.

Why?

1) The really good brands use human-grade ingredients.

2) They do not use large amounts of fillers, like wheat gluten. Most of the petsmart/walmart/etc. brands have fillers as their main ingredients. Dogs only process a percentage (usually from 40-60%) of their food when fillers are used. When high-quality foods are used, the dogs' bodies can use around 90%. The more their bodies can use, the LESS THEY POOP OUT. Your good foods all have meat or protein as their main ingredient.

While you do pay more for high-quality foods, you aren't spending more money in the long run. Since they use so much more of the food for nutrition, they require less. I feed my dogs a fraction of what most people feed their dogs. But, they are healthy and happy.

Some really good brands are Solid Gold, Merrick, Primal, Flint River Ranch and Canidae.

If you absolutely cannot afford these brands, Purina One is the best store-brand. It's better than any petsmart brands.


ANOTHER OPTION:
Buy a bag of chicken thighs. Put them in a crockpot overnight with some brown rice and veg-all. Remove the bones before feeding. This is just as cheap as buying pet food. You just store the excess in the fridge and feed over the next week.


33girl 04-06-2007 03:04 PM

Just because they're made in the same plant doesn't mean they all have the same ingredients.

PM_Mama00 04-06-2007 03:18 PM

I don't get why people keep talking about high quality dog food. If it's healthy for my dog I don't care what the quality is. I don't eat filet mignon or caviar everyday... it's a treat (not that I have ever had or will ever try caviar). And I feel the same way about my dog.

UGAalum94 04-06-2007 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1425272)
Just because they're made in the same plant doesn't mean they all have the same ingredients.

You're right, but when it turns out that Ol'Roy and Eukanuba were both made at the same plant with the same poisoned wheat gluten. . .

I don't know much about truly high quality foods, and I suspect that the ratios are very different. But I was still kind of surprised by the variety in the price range affected. It's not that I thought that it would be impossible to taint expensive brands or anything, but I had imagined that each company had its own suppliers and production facilities.

It's kind of like when you realize that your expensive handbag with a designer name is probably produced in the same factor with similar materials as the Target handbag. You know all along on some level that you're merely paying for branding, but can be surprising never-the-less.

Tippiechick 04-06-2007 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00 (Post 1425281)
I don't get why people keep talking about high quality dog food. If it's healthy for my dog I don't care what the quality is. I don't eat filet mignon or caviar everyday... it's a treat (not that I have ever had or will ever try caviar). And I feel the same way about my dog.


Low quality food
is often coated with old restaraunt grease to give it that "dog food" smell. It can be composed of euthanized dogs and cats, cancerous parts of animals, roadkill, etc. High end companies do not do this. Thus, the cost of manufacturing is a lot more. In turn, the consumer pays a higher price when buying it.

Here's one of my favorite sites that I send my clients to...
http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spri...Processing.htm

It's not a matter of filet mignon and caviar, Phyl. It's a matter of providing a healthy diet for your baby. If you don't care that much about your baby's diet, then fine. I want my dogs to live a long, HEALTHY life. I want to know what I am feeding my dogs. And, I don't see any reason why I should not be giving out information to those who feel the same way.

jon1856 04-06-2007 09:34 PM

Some rather interesting POV's from the nations Op-ed cartoons:
http://cagle.com/news/PetFoodRecall/

Drolefille 04-06-2007 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EtaPhiZTA (Post 1425257)
I have been seriously considering changing my dog's food since all of this has been developing. I have a bichon who is 13 1/2 years old, and he has always been on a combination of Iams minichunks and Eukaneuba dry food. In addition to the dry kibble, I give him 1-2 Tbsp. of moist Iams mixed in. He likes his food, but I have to say I was very shocked to see that Iams dogfoods were made in the same plant as other brands. I always thought Iams was a high-quality food.

The local privately-owned pet store stocks Solid Gold dog food, and the owner could not sing its praises enough. (I was glad to see that this is considered to be a true high-quality dog food in Tippiechick's post.) I don't mind switching my dog's food, but I have always heard that dogs often have problems when being switched from one brand to another.

Does anyone have any advice for how to make the switch without getting my dog sick? I would appreciate any advice. Thanks.

The easiest way to switch a dog's food is to gradually add in the new food while decreasing the old food. Mix it all in together. Each time you feed the dog change the proportion. Depending on how often you feed your dog the wet food (every meal or once a day or whatever) you can do it in less than a week as long as s/he is eating and their poop is normal.

EtaPhiZTA 04-07-2007 12:51 PM

Changing food
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1425502)
The easiest way to switch a dog's food is to gradually add in the new food while decreasing the old food. Mix it all in together. Each time you feed the dog change the proportion. Depending on how often you feed your dog the wet food (every meal or once a day or whatever) you can do it in less than a week as long as s/he is eating and their poop is normal.

Thanks so much for the advice. I have purchased the Solid Gold Little Bites, and I am planning to start mixing the two foods tomorrow.

Educatingblue 04-12-2007 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tippiechick (Post 1425028)
True, high-quality foods are not involved in this recall.


ANOTHER OPTION:
Buy a bag of chicken thighs. Put them in a crockpot overnight with some brown rice and veg-all. Remove the bones before feeding. This is just as cheap as buying pet food. You just store the excess in the fridge and feed over the next week.


Thank you for providing an alternative. I know most people hear that feeding "table food" is bad, but lean chicken and vegetables is fine. I normally mix lean chicken with Nutro Ultra (holistic) dog food).

RU OX Alum 04-12-2007 03:36 PM

some cat treats and even the hairball treatment was recalled too, fyi

PM_Mama00 04-13-2007 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga (Post 1425322)
It's kind of like when you realize that your expensive handbag with a designer name is probably produced in the same factor with similar materials as the Target handbag. You know all along on some level that you're merely paying for branding, but can be surprising never-the-less.

No seriously are you Brooke from Real World Denver? Because this is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. YOU ARE PAYING FOR A NAME when you buy that shit. I have a Payless purse that has lasted way longer than any of my friends' designer purses.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tippiechick (Post 1425405)

Low quality food
is often coated with old restaraunt grease to give it that "dog food" smell. It can be composed of euthanized dogs and cats, cancerous parts of animals, roadkill, etc. High end companies do not do this. Thus, the cost of manufacturing is a lot more. In turn, the consumer pays a higher price when buying it.

It's not a matter of filet mignon and caviar, Phyl. It's a matter of providing a healthy diet for your baby. If you don't care that much about your baby's diet, then fine. I want my dogs to live a long, HEALTHY life. I want to know what I am feeding my dogs. And, I don't see any reason why I should not be giving out information to those who feel the same way.

Ew I read that first paragraph as I was eating my breakfast. GROSS. Obviously I wouldn't be feeding my dog nasty cheap stuff. I feed him Nutro Max which I heard is pretty good and my vet agrees. But I wouldn't buy something just because it's considered high end. That's what I meant about the filet mignon thing. If I know it's healthy (as in my vet suggests it) but it's not high end it's not going to bother me. Lol we'll compare it to veggies and Filets.

PS. I'm going to PM you a question.

Tippiechick 04-13-2007 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00 (Post 1429114)
PS. I'm going to PM you a question.

Hope that helps!


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