?*PAPER MADE*???
 

You know, I know there are different levels of respect for this whole process vs. paper/ made vs. not thing. But gee sounds like a great chapter that's following the national policy on such things.

Whatever. If the chapter is right for you, don't attempt to join. If you're not a member, why do you give a crap if they're NOT good enough for you and all these other chapters and GLOs?

I apoligize in everyway if I offended you but I had no prior knowledge to your sorority and is definitely NOT the sorority I was speaking of in my above statement, I was trying to use colors that wouldnt offend any greek organization but I failed, obviously and I dont mind correcting my mistake. As for my username, I have been using this username for years b4 your organization was founded, so that will not be changed and is in NO WAY affiliated with your organization. AGAIN, If you feel any disrespect, I apoligize but my first post was not to you OR you organization....

I am going to say this as nicely as I possibly can:

You don't deserve sorority membership.

If the chapter is great in volunteer work, helping the school, helping the community, then guess what?

They're doing their damn job!

Right now, rush and a "paper" process is more than YOU have, now isn't it? They are following the rules of their organization with integrity while you sit on the outside.

You think "rush" is a cakewalk? You think that earning the vote of a chapter is easy? Guess what toots? It ain't. I know PLENTY of "qualified" women who waited ten years or more for an invitation to an alumnae chapter -- women who thought they were shoo-ins as undergrads. Heck, some women COULD have made it, if not for a missing transcript or a delayed postman.

So you think gaining a majority vote is easy.....no, not a simple majority, but sometimes a 2/3 majority? Or even a 3/4 majority?

Good luck. I hope if you DO make it, you wake up and realize how beautiful MIP can be, rather than finding out ways to undermine it. Chicks like you get chapters snatched for being stupid and LOOKING for trouble.

I want to know in what MIP does ANYBODY just walk in? In my fraternity, you can't even submit an application if three people don't sponsor you upfront. In other orgs, I understand that the standard is even higher.

Tell 'em boo...you'd better know more than just three or four folks...the bottom line is your interpretation of respect....

Thanks for the input everyone.
And there is NO NEED to be rude....calm down PLEASE.

I hope you understand that I'm not being rude in pointing out how presumtuous and not humble you came across by criticizing a chapter of the organization you HOPE to join. Senusret is right. You are an outsider and not really in a position to speculate on whether or not you'll "have a good name within this chapter."

I'm not in an NPHC, but I think being pissed off at the notion that a prospective new member would be so ballsy as to criticize the way our organizations and INITIATED members run things is universal.

...

And I hope that's exactly what your rejection letter says.

IMO I would even go as far as to say the three or four members you may know better be ACTIVE in their org....or no one is going to put much stock in their recommendations for your membership.

LMAO

You know you a fool, right!:D

OKay Imma need for you to shut the hell up. U gave me input now kick rocks! THANKS...




everyone else thanks again

OMG KICKING ROCKS!

Since AXO Alum isn't here, I think I can fill in for her:

To the OP...

NANNY NANNY BOO BOO STICK YOUR HEAD IN DOO DOO. :D

Bitch, please. I have my letters, you have an ellipsis.

My pledge daughter always say the same thing. :D That would be funny if this was her.

Unfortunately to some people, letters don't mean shee-it if you don't know how to spell.

:eek:

:) VERY well said!!

Uh...

CTHU!!! :D

I nominate this for "Funniest Thread of the Week", and not just for the commentary.

FTW

LMAAAO @ this alone

ROTFLMAO, No you aren't alone!!!

I will simply say this....several interested ladies at my school were having a discussion about this right after we attended RUSH. The spoke very boldly about how 'paper' sucks and so on....but, I bet getting paper with regrets sucks more than being 'paper'.

I do not give a rats ass about what anyone has to say about me or my Sorors, because who is running it on my campus....we are! No, I am not saying this to boast, but we are not only in many orgs, but hold leadership positions in them as well. I hope that the prestige of the organization means more, but I doubt it since you said that, 'they have that one flaw...'

Also, there are hundreds of thousands of members in the D9 sororities, so do you think that any one of them will change their process because of one person (or a few)? Probably not.

lmao.....

[QUOTE=Senusret I;1408032]Bitch, please. I have my letters, you have an ellipsis.[/QUOte

^^^^that's funny.:D :D :D I shouldn't laugh that hard at 4am.

One Love, I am not Greek but I hope you get what he is trying to say. The whole thought process about "paper" is why organizations are having to pay MILLIONS of dollars to folks. You are telling him to kick rocks BUT you opened yourself up when you posted the question. You have to respect the brother's passion but you should get your answer from what he is trying to say.
Shoot, it's hard enough trying to GET IN to the org of your choice. You act like whether they are considered "paper" is going to deter you from submitting an application. You have PULL LIKE THAT(??!!) to just choose the chapter you want to belong to?!!?
--Just my humble 2 cents--

what the HELL is "paper"? As far as I'm concerned it's when you rush through a chapter meeting by only reporting on what is exactly written on the agenda (hence the "paper chapter")....

At one point, there was a pledge process where hazing may or may not have occurred. Paper refers to those chapter members who were made without a "pledge process". Basically, they filled out the paper work and became members. At least this is what I always thought it meant

But to add by .08 cents, any prospective who criticizes a chapter because they follow the rules of their national organization does not deserve membership. Think of the lawsuits and the lives that have ended because of hazing! And truly, what difference does it make if they are paper if they are doing the work of their sorority? There are tons of frat and sorority members who are not "paper" and who are not "active". I would rather have an active soror, whether she is paper or not is of no consequence to me in the long term.

If you are more concerned about getting the "respect" of other greeks than you are of being respected by the chapter you are trying to join (and more importantly, of respecting them and the way they run their chapter), I strongly question your motives for wanting to join. Our organizations are lifetime membership service organizations, not tools of social validation for people under 25. The fact that you are ready and willing to put yourself, the chapter, and the organization at risk before even being accepted says that you don't really know or believe that.

Please understand that being Greek has more to do with than a peer reputation regarding the viability of how they were "made." It's about the maturity to understand the ideals of the organization you aspire to become a part of and making that a part of your life, your way of being in the world, in your service to the community and humanity, and how you treat everyone, even, ironically, your fraternity brothers. Just last year, I talked with prospective members of my undergrad chapter,which is known for being "rowdy," about the same thing:I grilled them, pressing them to find out if they be active in the Fraternity in 5,10,or 25 years when they willl no longer undergraduate life and have to sacrifice to go to chapter and committee mettings, mentor kids, with pressures of work, family, church,etc.will they be doing what the things the chapter you're looking down the nose at are doing. We have this saying in Omega: It's much harder to be a brother than it is to pledge.That's the acid test! (I say this as someone on the way to 30 years as a member of Omega Psi Phi and still active.)

yo this whole pledge vs paper bullshit is exactly just that...BULLSHIT!!! it doesnt matter how you got it, it wat you're doin once you're in. i know plenty of people who were MADE, but them niggas aint financial now, or if they are, they aint doin shit. if you're MADE, cool, do some work neo!!! if you're paper, cool, so be it...do some work neo!!! i aint even gonna go into this shit any further cuz its just fuckin stupid...thats my $19.14 about this shit...


GOMAB OR GO HOME!!!

AMEN!!

THE TRUTH!! This whole "paper vs. made" thing is all about self-esteem and the need to be validated by people when it doesn't matter and has no bearing on what kind of member you will be. If you're confident about yourself, then it shouldn't matter what others (even your own sorors or frat) think about you. Just be ACTIVE!

I guess I can't comment on what I mean by walking in, at least not on this site.

I'm not paper though. Oh, and I'm an active member of my fraternity.

yo, you can pledge with out hazing...just most people dont. i mean lets be real...do you think our respective founders envisioned us beating down each other till we're almost in need of medical assistance? gettin wood has been tradition, but ALOT of the times mofos be OD'n with it...and are lucky that crescents/scrollers/sphinxmen/lampadoos/centaurs/ACs/ivies/pryamids/auroras havent been put in the hospital more than they have or dont come forward and tell Nationals. dont get me wrong, i'm all for pledging, but there's more to it than just beatin someone's ass. you can pledge them mentally as well as physically...but i'm sure you know what i'm talkin about.