Vaccines from aborted babies
 

I had never heard this before and figured this may spark a discussion among you wonderfully intelligent and resourceful greeks!

The CDC is aware that some, but not all, vaccines are made from human cell-line cultures, and some of these cell lines originated from aborted fetal tissue, obtained from legal abortions. Cell lines generated from a single fetal tissue source are used--vaccine manufacturers obtain human cell lines from FDA-certified cell banks that use aborted babies.

See the CDC's own website:

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/conce.../humancell.htm

Is there a question somewhere in your post, or were you just passing along information?

I think this is supposed to be an OH NOES TEH HORROR debate about the ethics and morality of using aborted babies for vaccines.

I guess I'll throw in my $.02 and say that I don't agree with abortion, except in extreme cases (that's another thread, though) - but if the baby has already been aborted, it might as well not be completely in vain.

How convenient...you forgot to mention this part:

Some vaccines, not all, and it's not occurring now, so take your controversial 'zomg they're human too teh horror' shock thread and cram it.

There's no such thing as an aborted baby. If it was aborted, it's not a baby.

That is a discussion that is completely unwinnable and no one is going to change anyone else's minds.



/pulls up a chair and some popcorn

I don't think there's any such thing as a "winnable" discussion.

The original poster used inflammatory language in the thread title. It's worth pointing that out somewhere in whatever discussion goes on here.

Valid, but you did so in an equally inflammatory way ;)

Not enough people are following this thread for it to be a good flame war anyway.

What is it then? A fish?

No, it was a clump of cells.

Do you have some extra popcorn, Drolefille?

That just happened to be taking the shape of *gasp* a human baby.


That is, before they were rudely interrupted.

I like mine fetus flavoured.

LOL. Babies are great, but I never know what to do with the leftovers.

Knowing kappa2 and some of her health history, I highly doubt she meant this to be an inflammatory thread.

However, there is already a discussion on Stem Cell research from aborted fetuses so this thread is really unnecessary.

*tosses some over*
And it's fetus-free popcorn
(no babies, fetii, embryos, etc.)

Baby is after birth. Embryo and fetus before birth. And they only really start taking shape around 2 months. I can now say I have seen it for myself.

No, it is taking the shape of a human FETUS. A baby is quite differently shaped than a fetus.

At first. But an 8 month old fetus isn't differently shaped. And we can argue semantics all we want, point is, whatever you want to call it, it's LIVING HUMAN.

Not meant as inflammatory
 

OOPS! I come across terribly over email, don't I? I need a writing class that specializes in how to write online. I've never been good at it.

I sincerely apologize for anyone who felt offended or provoked.

A friend of mine fowarded me the email yesterday, and I just copied the title of the email without putting much thought into how those passionate about the baby vs. cells debate would react. Again, so sorry.

Because I never heard the story before, I wasn't certain what to believe about it and thought this group of news&politics readers might know more than the fowarded email suggests. Possibly someone could offer some educational insight on if this story is true/false/misleading and if there are any possible health complications due to the source being used.

It is my understanding that whenever you introduce one human's cells into another person, there exists the possibility of rejection by the host person which can lead to complications. Is it possible to direct this conversation into more of that kind of debate?

Thanks for your consideration-

An 8 month old fetus is also viable for life and won't be aborted. Before 22 weeks, it's not viable for life, it's not sentient. Therein lies the difference.

Doubt it. It's already train-wrecked pretty badly.

Yeah, this just exploded into a Multiple Casualty Incident (MCI). Alphafrog, we disagree and that's cool.

I think 3rd trimester abortions are still legal, so it is possible.

And before 22 weeks, it's not viable for life OUTSIDE the womb, but it is living.

ETA: I guess I just have a hard time grasping that all of a sudden, at 22 weeks, it's magically viable for life outside the womb, and so should be given semi-consideration for life, but before that, it's just a mass of cells, so trash it if you want.

trying to leave the train wreck
 

Here's my second attempt-

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...31#post1378831

Quick GC lesson #1:

If thread #1 on a topic turns into a trainwreck, there's about a 99.534234% chance threads #2, 3, 4, etc will turn into a trainwreck.

Quick GC lesson #2:

You can't tell people what not to post. It's like telling a teenager not to drink at a beer party...you might as well put one in their hand.

Whew Jess...step away from the keyboard! You're vicious today :P
By the way, the only reason I say the things I do is because I've somehow managed to conjure the ability to look at these issues objectively. I hope I don't come across as unfeeling...it's a part of being in the medical profession.

Sure or you're an evil liberal commie cheese-eating surrender-monkey

:D

That too. Cept I'm not French. Well, actually by American standards I am.

Hey, usually British people get waaaaay more offended by being called French. I think you're ahead ;)

Now eat your freedom toast and your victory cabbage.