TKE at U of Alabama?
 

Is TKE reorganizing at the University of Alabama?

Don't know about TKE, but I do know that Phi Sigma Kappa is coming back:

http://www.odphisig.org/cgi-bin/odph...ml?id=TVSLtV9D

Wow, thats funny.........me and Shinerbock's posts were deleted. Again, who cares, its TKE........at Alabama. Unless you are an Old Row or maybe maybe Theta Chi.........you are nothing........and never will be.

Define "old row" please

The old row of fraternity and sorority houses. Older, more established, top houses. Most Old Row houses are focused more on a guy's background (i.e. family) and where they are from. They are not all necessarily legacies, though. Depending on the house, it's more about where you are from. DKE's, for example, are considered one of the top houses in terms of exclusivity, but it's not like they only bid legacies. They are basically a collection of well-to-do guys from Mobile. If you went to one of the good private schools in Mobile (and consequently know some of the brothers), come from a good family, and are a relatively solid guy, then yeah, you have a good chance of getting in. Do people slip through the cracks? Of course. But it's not as bad as you would think. There are occasional guys who are "picked up" by Old Row houses (meaning, they don't have any connections to the house and might be from a random town), but this is usually an exception not the rule. Basically, Old Row houses are extremely exclusive and made up of upscale families, mostly from Alabama. Guys from out of state do get in to them....but it is because they know somebody....

Sororities = Alpha Chi, Alpha Gam, Chi O, Tri-Delt, KD, Kappa, and Phi Mu.
Fraternities = DKE, SAE, KA, Phi Gam, Sigma NU

Belittleing TKE is uncalled for first.

Second, I am glad I did not see LXA in your so called hot shot lising.

Just remember, what goes around will and can go around.

You do so make me proud of being a LXA but at times not a member of The Greek Community.:o

There are several fraternities that are not on “old row” that always have leaders on campus. To say that you have to be in an old row house or in theta chi to be someone at Alabama is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.

The Machine rarely favors non-old row fraternity members.

60+ years old and still referring to yourself as a "member if the greek community" = TFM????

I never said anything about leaders on campus.......although I am well aware of the "machine" at Alabama and how it works. The Old Row houses are absolutely the most respected and well known on campus.

I was actually not referring to the “machine”. I was making a general statement. I just don’t think that “old row” is it is as big of a deal as you make it seem in your original post, at least not anymore. But that is just my opinion.

What does any of this have to do with TKE coming back at Bama?

Sorry that You feel this way.


Yes, I have been a Member of the Greek Community for 41 years.

Am I proud of that, of course I am.

Have I been working with Greek Members, yes I have.

Now I just wonder what your problem is except a small mind and Area of knowledge?

Just a suggestin, grow up and smell the roses instead of the rear of a dandiolon.

No.

Good luck to them.

It is a well known fact that Old Row fraternities dominate the South. And it is a very big deal in Tuscaloosa as it is in Auburn. And TKE sucks at Auburn also. Auburn Old Row: KA, SN, PiKA, SAE, Phi Delt. SX and Sig Ep are not Old Row even though they believe that they are.

Agreed. It would be disasterous for TKE to colonize there. With it's reputation among Southern frat life, it would most likely be a failure.

I think its actually a much bigger deal in UA than at AU. I think for us its more symbolic. It still signifies the same things, but the power structure is a lot different in Tuscaloosa. Based on that I would think that TKE's struggles at Auburn would be multiplied at Bama.

Well, nobody knows anything.

I dont get this whole old south fraternity life that everyone is talking about each TKE chapter is different and if they are at UA wouldnt that be all southern men anyways. I am from the north but all the TKE chapters down south are doing a lot better than the chapters in the north. All the old south Frats like SAE really dont do well anywhere

I have no idea what you're talking about. TKE can do whatever they want. All we're saying is that they'll probably have a rough go of it.

Don't feed the trolls.

Ouch. I don't even want to think what a TKE northern chapter is like.

We're simply stating it's going to be tough. The combination of TKE's reputation in the south and Alabama's old row will hurt TKE's chances of becoming an established fraternity.

how's Theta Chi there then? semi-old row?

Southern expansion
 

Alpha Delt was once a power in the south(UVA, Alabama, etc.), but the recent unpleasantness set us back a bit. We have recently begun a return, finding that the changing demographics of many southern schools has lead to a larger number of northern men attending the top schools in the south and not being courted by the traditional "old row" fraternities, to use the term here. We have also had some success approaching locals who have split from their nationals over some of the recent changes coming from national organizations(dry house, abolition of pledging, etc.). Our effort at W&L was not successful, but we have recently come on to Duke, working on a group at Vandy, and starting recruitment at Chapel Hill in the spring.

Well, as much as I hate the fact that northerners are coming to southern universities, you have a point. TKE originally got pretty good numbers at Auburn because of this. They bid a lot of people, and quickly got their numbers up. However, they catered to the non-old row types as you referred to, and thus have a poor reputation among greeks.

New Row.....but still a good house as far as I know. Have huge numbers though from what I understand. Have good parties and are popular with the good sororities.

I am totally wonder still about the OLD Geeks and the Newer Greeks?

There is one life on Campus, Greeks.

Fight each other and see who loses. Da, We do. I may be wrong, but just stay tuned.

For all who feel they are immune to getting taken off of campus, just keep it up and see.

Alums may give a lot of money, but if they are embaresed with the Chapter, I am sure they would not mind cleaning house from the scum or dirt bags who defile Their/Your Fraterity.

It seems that some do not get out of thier littl campus and chapter area to see what is out in the big bad world of real life.

Self importance at times is underwhelming.

I would much rather be a live member of My Chapter looking from the inside out compared to those who have no chapter looking from the outside in.

We have been attracting the same suburban nyc/penn/dc/boston prep boy/lacrosse playing types we do at most chapters, with a good number of their southern brethren. We know our market, and we do alright in it. We do not equate size with quality. It may take a while, but we will be a repected chapter at any campus we colonize. As more and more fraternities push tougher regulations(look at Kappa Sig at Ole Miss, Phi Delt at Sewanee and Virginia), you may see more and more old line chapters re-evaluate their relationship with their nationals. When they do, Alpha Delt will be there:)
PS Hey, Shinerbock, thanks for reminding me of my many visits to Austin every time I read your name:)

I'm pretty unfamiliar with Alpha Delt, so I can't really comment.

Why I Went to School Up North
 

The crap on this thread is why I decided to attend a private university in the north rather than my SEC school. You people are just terrible.

No one is fighting each other, we are simply different. We take each others sides in everything. There is a difference between old row and new row. There is no "old" or "new" row on my campus, but there IS a noticeable difference between fraternities founded before say 1910 and fraternities founded after.

I wonder if most alumns are embarrassed with your spelling?
However, we do not allow "scum or dirtbags" in, and if we do make the mistake they are kicked out early in pledging (or for fun, right after hellweek). We clean our own house without need from alumns, because we are responsible.

What does getting out in the real world have anything to do with chapter responsibility? Furthermore, who are you to say we haven't? Learn to spell and get back to me.

Enjoy it. Please don't return.

Yeah I'm kind of glad she's not here...The private school she refers to is New Jersey Tech, I'm pretty sure.

LET THEM EAT CAKE!

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Please tell me you only respond by posting pictures of cakes. Seriously, that would make you the best thing about this website, by far.

You don't know about Sheetcake? Terrible...go look at his posting history. Sheer brilliance. Or should that be sheet brilliance?

My daughter is a new Delta Zeta at the University of Alabama. Based on conversations with her, I believe an unofficial heirarchy or at least the appearance of one exists among Alabama sororities. The differences seem to be slight, though admittedly distinct. Nor are the distinctions necessarily bad. It appears that each sorority has its own unique reputation or character. Some may be a little more popular than the other, depending upon one's perspective. I think DZ was once Old Row, but no longer. I believe they have an excellent reputation at Bama despite the noted absence of Old Row designation. Surely every sorority and fraternity hold different reputations from campus to campus. You can't go wrong if you are Greek. period.

Just a few words from a DZ Dad who respect all fraternities and sororities...

You are correct and you write pretty well, so I'm pretty sure you're the only reasonable older person on the board. The hierarchy is more noticeable than you are privy to, but it is certainly there. I know a couple DZ's at Alabama, and they are great girls, so I'm sure your daughter's having a great time.

Up and down
 

All this talk about the old row got me to thinking about University of Alabama, my brother was a Sigma Nu at Alabama late 70's, we lived in Tuscaloosa right next to Indian Hills Country Club, my old man managed one of the biggest plants in town. Things do change guys, what about ATO, Phi Delt Kappa Sig all very good in the late 70's early 80's. Sig Ep went inactive in the mid 80's when their house burnt down. Chi Phi used to be good as well or so I've heard.
At UT Austin where I went to school same thing happened. Sigma Nu-founded 1887 was very good when I went there same for Pike-founded 1920, Beta -founded 1886. all are now gone or are much smaller. ATO was very good at SMU where I went to law school they've been gone for 11 years.
Bottom line, being old can make you good but the correlation is not 100% and things do change even in the tradition bound south.