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MissJai 11-29-2006 02:28 AM

Starting A Sorority
 
Hello everyone, I'm highly interested in starting my own sorority, however, I don't know where to start. Can anyone give me some suggestions??

GDIfly 11-29-2006 02:41 AM

The very first thing you need to do is choose colors and a cute mascot.

Unregistered- 11-29-2006 02:48 AM

Actually, the first thing you should really do is check out the threads on the bottom of the page.

Theo Fam 11-29-2006 01:58 PM

actually sororities are for women or for men????

Drolefille 11-29-2006 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Theo Fam (Post 1363884)
actually sororities are for women or for men????

Sororities are for women
Fraternities are generally for men
Some women's organizations are called fraternities because they were started before the term "sorority" was used.
If the word co-ed is in front of either sorority or fraternity it means they accept both men and women.

blueangel 11-29-2006 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1363888)
Some women's organizations are called fraternities because they were started before the term "sorority" was used.
.

Or, in the case of Zeta Tau Alpha-- the founders designated ZTA a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities at the time, called "sororities."

misbehaving 11-29-2006 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1363888)
Sororities are for women
Fraternities are generally for men
Some women's organizations are called fraternities because they were started before the term "sorority" was used.
If the word co-ed is in front of either sorority or fraternity it means they accept both men and women.

My fraternity exists for women eventhough we let guys live there.

Tom Earp 11-29-2006 04:16 PM

It is supposed to be a sorority but you let guys live there?

Is it just a rental place and you use it as your point of reference?

You need to have some goals.
1. Are you looking to affiliate with a National.
2. Are you just looking to start a local.

If a National, then, you need to find out several things.
1. What and who are the groups on campus.
2. What is the size of the school and will another be able to expand there.
3. What is the % of Greeks to school population.
4. Are those groups meeting recruitment numbers and will the school be willing

to add another.
5. Do you have enough people who are interested.
6. Is a National wanting to expand there.

If you can answer all of these it can go a long way in getting you started.

Starting a local, you need to do all of the above, but have Pin, new associate pin, coat of arms, constitution, and maybe a ritual to be laid out.


The very best of luck, it can and will be hard, but it can be done.

Drolefille 11-29-2006 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1363922)
Or, in the case of Zeta Tau Alpha-- the founders designated ZTA a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities at the time, called "sororities."

Quote:

Originally Posted by misbehaving (Post 1363931)
My fraternity exists for women eventhough we let guys live there.

I'm not really sure I understand what you mean by this.

I was giving the Greek guy a mini crash course in the terminology. Not catching every exception to every rule.

blueangel 11-29-2006 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1363941)
I'm not really sure I understand what you mean by this.

I was giving the Greek guy a mini crash course in the terminology. Not catching every exception to every rule.

I mean that your statement was incomplete.

Drolefille 11-30-2006 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1364076)
I mean that your statement was incomplete.

I didn't understand misbehaving's statement.

And I wasn't making a complete list. I apologize to any other ZTAs I may have offended, but the guy's Greek. Not American. I'm sure he cares a lot about every exception to the rule.

33girl 11-30-2006 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1363922)
Or, in the case of Zeta Tau Alpha-- the founders designated ZTA a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities at the time, called "sororities."

So you're saying Gamma Phi Beta, Sigma Kappa and the other groups called sororities were organized in connection with men's groups??? :eek: I'm sure that's news to their members.

Not to mention...ZTA was founded at an all female school.

Sorry, but I call bullshit on this one, unless a competent ZTA can explain it a little better.

blueangel 11-30-2006 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1364285)
So you're saying Gamma Phi Beta, Sigma Kappa and the other groups called sororities were organized in connection with men's groups??? :eek: I'm sure that's news to their members.

Not to mention...ZTA was founded at an all female school.

Sorry, but I call bullshit on this one, unless a competent ZTA can explain it a little better.

No, I'm not speaking on behalf of any other organizations. Please do not put words in my mouth. I was merely explaining that ZTA's founders chose to refer to it as a fraternity for the above mentioned reasons.

Here is your link. I hope you enjoy the taste of crow. Your failed dig at me was quite uncalled for and makes you look idiotic.

"Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not as a sorority. The Founders intended Zeta Tau Alpha be designated a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called "sororities". Zeta Tau Alpha has no "brother" fraternity...."

http://www.southwestern.edu/student-...a/history.html

33girl 11-30-2006 10:54 AM

I'm not putting words in your mouth - you are the one who posted that to begin with. What other "sororities" do you mean, if you don't mean ones such as I mentioned?

And considering the multitudinous grammar screwups on that page you linked to, I'm not convinced. National link (or again, a competent ZTA) please.

blueangel 11-30-2006 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1364297)
Considering the multitudinous grammar screwups on that page, I'm not convinced. National link please.

Ah, so they are not "competent Zetas?"

Well, then, how about the Zetas at the College of NJ? Are they "competent?"
"Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not a sorority. The founders intended ZTA be designated a "fraternity" to distinguish
the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called sororities. "
http://www.ztaiotagamma.com/ourhistory.html

or.. perhaps Michigan State University? Do you think the Zetas there are incompetent?
http://www.msu.edu/~zta/History.htm

or maybe Robert Morris University would be good enough for you?
http://www.geocities.com/rmuzeta/history.html


How is the crow tasting?

jubilance1922 11-30-2006 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1364301)
Ah, so they are not "competent Zetas?"

Well, then, how about the Zetas at the College of NJ? Are they "competent?"
"Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not a sorority. The founders intended ZTA be designated a "fraternity" to distinguish
the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called sororities. "
http://www.ztaiotagamma.com/ourhistory.html

or.. perhaps Michigan State University? Do you think the Zetas there are incompetent?
http://www.msu.edu/~zta/History.htm

or maybe Robert Morris University would be good enough for you?
http://www.geocities.com/rmuzeta/history.html


How is the crow tasting?

I think its great that several chapters have noted that information, but its been my experience that often chapter websites include incorrect information. Not saying that this information isn't correct, but for most people, they tend to trust things that are on national websites.

Drolefille 11-30-2006 11:12 AM

And I can't find this information at ZTA's national site.

I know it was founded at Farmville, were the other NPC's founded there sororities or fraternities?

33girl 11-30-2006 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jubilance1922 (Post 1364303)
I think its great that several chapters have noted that information, but its been my experience that often chapter websites include incorrect information. Not saying that this information isn't correct, but for most people, they tend to trust things that are on national websites.


AMEN.

cough cough Betty Crocker cough cough.

LPIDelta 11-30-2006 11:13 AM

Ummm...yeah. BA--We all know collegians may get things wrong from time to time....and things like that do just get copied and pasted. In my own group there are websites that say things that are not true....like Bette Midler being a member (she is not) because the web has helped proliferate the error. So just because its on a chapter website, does not mean that its true.

Anyway....I didn't mean to stick my nose in. Continue.

kddani 11-30-2006 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1364304)
And I can't find this information at ZTA's national site.

I know it was founded at Farmville, were the other NPC's founded there sororities or fraternities?

KD has always been a sorority.

blueangel 11-30-2006 11:23 AM

33rd girl.. you're wrong. I proved it, you know it, but you obviously aren't big enough to acknowlege you're wrong.

As they say.. soldier on!

tunatartare 11-30-2006 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1364306)
AMEN.

cough cough Betty Crocker cough cough.

Or the badge on the moon.

Drolefille 11-30-2006 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1364314)
KD has always been a sorority.

Thanks, I don't know that group of sororities (in the GENERAL SENSE) as well as I'd like. I just think that if this was the case it would be mentioned on the national website. If all of that information was copy and pasted from there, it would be "proof." Or another ZTA who can corroborate this information.

33girl 11-30-2006 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1364316)
33rd girl.. you're wrong. I proved it, you know it, but you obviously aren't big enough to acknowlege you're wrong.

As they say.. soldier on!

You didn't "prove" anything. You gave me some links to some collegiate chapters' web pages. I could "prove" that Betty Crocker was in a sorority by doing the same, or "prove" that Tom Cruise is gay.

If you would stop talking about tasting crow (I think you're a little obsessed with that - maybe you need to head over to the AXP forum) and simply EXPLAIN WHAT THE QUOTE YOU POSTED OVER AND OVER ACTUALLY REFERS TO, this would be a much more pleasant thread.

33girl 11-30-2006 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1364314)
KD has always been a sorority.


As has ASA. We were founded after ZTA, however.

blueangel 11-30-2006 12:00 PM

I suppose I will have to spoon feed this to you. From the NATIONAL WEBSITE archives:

Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not as a sorority. The Founders intended Zeta Tau Alpha be designated a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called "sororities."

http://web.archive.org/web/200304210...a.org/trad.htm

kddani 11-30-2006 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1364335)
As has ASA. We were founded after ZTA, however.

We were the first sorority founded on the campus (for those not familiar with the Farmville Four, they are KD, Tri-Sigma, ZTA, and ASA - I believe founded in that order).

I can assure you, and blueangel and whoever else, that we were certainly not, as blueangel stated, a sisterhood "organized in connection with men's fraternities at the time, called "sororities." "

33girl 11-30-2006 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1364338)
I suppose I will have to spoon feed this to you. From the NATIONAL WEBSITE archives:

Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not as a sorority. The Founders intended Zeta Tau Alpha be designated a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called "sororities."

http://web.archive.org/web/200304210...a.org/trad.htm

Why didn't you just post that to begin with instead of a bunch of random collegiate chapter sites?

And again, WHAT SORORITIES DOES IT REFER TO??? Do they still exist? Were they little sister groups? Are they sororities that died out? What?

Regurgitating does very little to make you look like you know what you're talking about.

Not to mention that is from the ARCHIVED web page. This is the current page on the national website discussing ZTA's history which mentions nothing about "sisterhoods organized in connection with mens' fraternities" or ZTA's desire to differentiate itself from them.

http://www.zetataualpha.org/default....t&ContentId=41

blueangel 11-30-2006 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1364339)
We were the first sorority founded on the campus (for those not familiar with the Farmville Four, they are KD, Tri-Sigma, ZTA, and ASA - I believe founded in that order).

I can assure you, and blueangel and whoever else, that we were certainly not, as blueangel stated, a sisterhood "organized in connection with men's fraternities at the time, called "sororities." "

I never named your organization, nor did our national website. Stop trying to spin things... it's a very transparent tactic.

blueangel 11-30-2006 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1364340)
Why didn't you just post that to begin with instead of a bunch of random collegiate chapter sites?

And again, WHAT SORORITIES DOES IT REFER TO??? Do they still exist? Were they little sister groups? Are they sororities that died out? What?

Regurgitating does very little to make you look like you know what you're talking about.

LOL! Hurts to be proven wrong, doesn't it??? :D

Crow.. yum, yum!

kddani 11-30-2006 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1364342)
LOL! Hurts to be proven wrong, doesn't it??? :D

Crow.. yum, yum!

Why are you incapable of having a normal conversation about a topic without entering into personal attacks and name caling?

aopirose 11-30-2006 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1364340)
And again, WHAT SORORITIES DOES IT REFER TO??? Do they still exist? Were they little sister groups? Are they sororities that died out? What?

I've always wanted to know this too.

33girl 11-30-2006 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1364345)
Why are you incapable of having a normal conversation about a topic without entering into personal attacks and name caling?

I'm just a little grossed out that she's getting so into this whole eating crow thing.

kddani 11-30-2006 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1364340)
Why didn't you just post that to begin with instead of a bunch of random collegiate chapter sites?

And again, WHAT SORORITIES DOES IT REFER TO??? Do they still exist? Were they little sister groups? Are they sororities that died out? What?

You'd think this would've been discussed before somewhere on greek chat. I've never heard of this until this thread.

DolphinChicaDDD 11-30-2006 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1364349)
I'm just a little grossed out that she's getting so into this whole eating crow thing.

Every time I see crow in this thread, I keep thinking of the AXP at my college. I don't understand the reference to eating crows either.

blueangel 11-30-2006 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1364345)
Why are you incapable of having a normal conversation about a topic without entering into personal attacks and name caling?


Oops! I do believe you meant that to 33rd girl who first posted to me:
Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1364285)
Sorry, but I call bullshit on this one, unless a competent ZTA can explain it a little better.

But then, that's you and your little group's method-- attack first and then accuse me of starting the trainwreck. So transparent.

And.. the other tactic-- when your pals are proven wrong, divert the conversation!

Drolefille 11-30-2006 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DolphinChicaDDD (Post 1364351)
Every time I see crow in this thread, I keep thinking of the AXP at my college. I don't understand the reference to eating crows either.

Eat Crow
Recipes for eating Crow

The whole thing seems a bit odd, though perhaps the phrase was removed from national's webpage to avoid insulting sororities in general and those at Farmville in particular?

blueangel 11-30-2006 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1364349)
I'm just a little grossed out that she's getting so into this whole eating crow thing.


I'm getting a little grossed out that you can't admit you were wrong! :eek:

tunatartare 11-30-2006 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1364354)
Eat Crow
Recipes for eating Crow

The whole thing seems a bit odd, though perhaps the phrase was removed from national's webpage to avoid insulting sororities in general and those at Farmville in particular?

So I was trying to figure out what the whole "eat crow" thing has to do with anything, then I realized that I'd have to view posts that are on ignore to catch it.

_Lisa_ 11-30-2006 12:23 PM

Since when is asking for more, detailed, information about a particular subject accusing someone of being wrong?



Quote:

Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1364352)
But then, that's you and your little group's method

Like I've said in the past, just because everyone been able to arrive at the conclusion that you're a complete moron who doesn't know her ass from her head, doesn't mean that we're a group.


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