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What are the greek affiliations of these guys?

Brooke is a Chi Omega, Colie was an Alpha Epsilon Phi, and Ty was in Tommy Lee's fraternity on tommy's going to college show, but does anyone know the greek affiliation of Steve and Davis (Both said they were greek)?

Stephen is the president of the Pi Kappa Alpha colony at Howard if I remember correctly.

I watched the season premiere yesterday.. I thought I was going to hate Brooke from the casting special but she seems like the only normal girl. Jenn and Colie.. do you have no respect for yourselves? I can't believe Jenn slept with Alex on the second night after raving about how cute he and Colie were together! Also, Colie made herself seem incredibly desperate with the whole "let's have a full sleepover tonight" and then practically begging him to come to her room.

This season might be the most interesting since San Diego's cast. I'm definitely watching.

Wednesdays episode was pretty interesting with the whole Alex, Colie, guy Colie brought home triangle. I think it was pretty funny that they made a pact to not see anyone for 24 hours and then he took it back the next morning.

I would really like to see more of Davis' story then these two. Hopefully that is coming as the season progresses.

I like Brooke too. I think she is the only sane girl in the house!!

Clearly not. If they did, they would not be on "Real World."

Davis's boyfriend is an SAE at Vanderbilt. Don't know what affiliation is Davis, but he went to Stetson.

Stephen is in the early lead for my favorite cast member.

The infamous Pike at Howard thread:
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...threadid=75056

Davis is an ATO, per his Myspace.

SAE at Vandy has a gay guy? Thats surprising, but then I don't know much about Vandy chapters.

haha........yeah, I have a couple friends that are SAEs at Vanderbilt.....and I have never heard that, nor did I see, meet, or here of anyone that was gay when I have been there to visit.

There is no ATO chapter at Stetson University.

Do people normally put their gay chapter members on the bullseye?

But there was while he would have been there. Theta Psi Chapter at Stetson seems to have gone inactive in the last year or so.

I love this season, I just caught up with the episodes last night. There's so much drama, I love it. Colie is already buggin me though. Seriously, who starts CRYING about a guy they've known for two days?

I watched an episode today. While I thought that huge guy went a little over the top, those 2 black guys may be the coolest in the history of the show. However, it is a little lame how half the house has those alter-egos they talk about, get a life.

Yep. I was irritated with Tyrie. He got in Davis' face, told Davis not to put his finger in his face and then put HIS finger in HIS face! But, Tyrie eventually walked away numerous times and Davis then went too far. WAY too far. I'm kind of glad Tyrie and the other guy from Howard forgave him though. I liked Davis. I hate that he had to go and call Tyrie a nigger...changed my view of him.

Well, and i'm not justifying his use. but I still stand my idea that people will say anything to cut to the core of someone in a time of high emotion or anger. Its offensive, but I still don't think the kid is a racist (although I don't like him from what i've seen).

I'll have to catch the rerun.

The clip I saw showed the Hulk guy being real animated, which always makes situations escalate.

This cast is lame.

I'm wondering what REALLY happened, because you know they always edit things. It made Tyrie look really bad in the beginning, and if they showed it really how it was, Tyrie had no right to get all gangsta on Davis. Davis was drunk. Have you ever tried to seriously talk reasonably with a drunk guy? A little overboard there Tyrie.

Disclaimer... That still doesn't give Davis an excuse to use the N word.

I saw a clip of that. Yeah, he was angry but I firmly believe that emotions (whether natural or brought about by alcohol) bring out people's true feelings.

To say the word to the person's face means he was trying to cut to the core of that person. To say the word on the phone to a friend means those were his true feelings (brought out by anger).

Of course this would bring about the same old debate but I still stay away from declaring racist so quickly.

The way they took him back was pretty normal though. It wasn't the typical MTV thing of finding the angriest black person in the US and putting them on TV. I know a lot of people watch it for the drama, I like the casts which seem like half-decent people.

This is one reality show instance where I'd love to see the unedited footage.

I think Davis is cute. :o

LOL. Well, at least he has more than an angry side to him.

I mean, not to get deep into this again, but I think its an interesting conversation. I just don't think an isolated use of a racial/gender/sexual slur makes you a racist/sexist/homophobe. I think for most people, theres some point where something happens to you and something like a slur or a generalization comes to mind. Its happened to me, and usually its because I get so angry that just thinking "you motherf*****" doesn't have a strong enough effect. I agree that true feelings sometimes come out in heightened periods of anger or other emotion, but sometimes you're just so angry or so emotional that you just need to dig deeper than normal. I mean, its not like they should ignore he said it, it just annoys me when something like that happens and people on the show are like, "well, he's from the south, maybe he can stay here and lose some of that ignorance." Using racial slurs doesn't make you ignorant, neither does being prejudiced. It makes you insensitive, and many people like that probably are ignorant, but they aren't one and the same.

Do you normally debate yourself? Didn't I already say that I don't make racist accusations so quickly? LOL.

But since you brought it up :):

Let the record show that being a "racist" is not always the same thing as "racism" as in the system of racism that all racial slurs and discriminatory behaviors perpetuate. So Davis might not be a "racist" but his use of that term could arguably be "racism." Similarly, you might not to be a chauvinist or sexist man. But using certain language and feeding into differential treatment is sexism because it keeps the gender structure going at the individual, interactional, and structural levels. Same applies to people who claim not to be homophobic but use certain terms or reinforce certain ideologies and behaviors. No matter what the rationale for the use is.

ETA: Slurs and prejudice are signs of ignorance. Ignorance means you're unaware of the consequences or don't care about the consequences. Usually the latter but more openminded people (myself not included) think the former is more common.

No, i'm not saying that......and i'm just going by persoal opinion........but 1.) gay guys are usually easy to spot/point out and 2.) I can't see SAE at Vanderbilt giving a bid to a gay guy, unless he just kept it from them. Oh well, not that big of a deal.

I understand and that's what I thought you meant. I know it's not a big deal but two points:

1) You can only spot/point out the obvious gay guys based on your notions of what gay is/gay isn't. Don't forget the gay guys who have yet to a) come out to themselves; b) come out to other people; and/or c) don't fit the "obvious gay guy" notion.

2) Once again, it's not always obvious who is gay. Also, gay guys would probably give bids to gay guys. :D

ig·no·rance Pronunciation (gnr-ns)
n.
The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

I don't think racial slurs make you ignorant. I'm not accusing you of doing anything, I'm mostly referring to the reaction on the show. I think racial slurs can be a sign of ignorance, but I don't think one equals the other. You don't think its possible for people to be well educated and informed about other races/cultures/lifestyles, but still think less of them? I think its perfectly possible. Its also possible that you'll understand that such terms offend, and yet still use them. Ignorance is a term that gets thrown out a lot, often in place of insensitivity.

You made reference to my post so I interpreted your comments accordingly.

It reads like you didn't read or understand what I posted about ignorance.

Either way, to reiterate, my definition applies to an unawareness of the consequences of slurs and differential treatment OR not caring of the consequences. Sure, people can be fully aware and not care, which is also ignorant based on my definition.

Insensitivity = not giving a damn = ignorance

I think with Davis (as with Michael Richards, for that matter), his saying "I'm not going to stay here and be afraid because some nigger wants to kill me" or whatever he said, was in essence a statement of "I'm angry at you and I know I can say that as a white person and really hurt you or get to you". He was using his status as a white person and his sense of anger and/or intimidation toward Tyrie to really use that word and cut to Tyries and in a larger sociological context "this black person's" core. I think its a simple as that. He is from Georgia and he probably did grow up around whites who came right out and used the word nigger, coon and all the other slurs all the time. They all knew the word, its history and what it meant and used it because they could. I am pretty sure of this. It's not that big of a deal. As I have said before, racism in America is common. To pick and choose and go back and forth over whether the boy is or is not a racist or harbors racist views or yada yada yada is a waste of time. He probably is, it wouldn't be such a shocker if he was. That's what I think people do not want to face: that racism is common. As I indicated in my first post on this thread, so what? I mean, if he is, fine. That's him. I'm sure both Tyrie and the other guy (from Howard) has seen and been around racist people before. Doesn't mean they have to cross their arms and pout for the rest of the season. They can say, which is obviously what they did say, "hey man, you said it, i've heard worse, you have some problems and you need to deal with them within yourself, but I don't really want you to go. It's not that big of a deal". That's what it seems like they were saying to him and that is basically how I feel about the word. Some white person uses it, it pisses me off, of course, but its out there and is used every day. You can't act like the world is ending everytime someone calls someone else (or you) that word. Realistically, if the word was removed by some extraterrestrial force tomorrow, racism will still be here and will still be a problem so my view is screw that word and all who use it. Get over it and move on because moaning about it obviously hasn't changed anything.

And yeah, Davis was kind of cute. Its a shame that he's gay. Men don't deserve to have a guy with that kind of a chest and body. A woman knows what to do with all that.

I didn't read the whole thing, sounds reasonable.

I disagree- Not giving a damn=/= ignorance. You can say it does, but that would just be your personal definition, not the true one.

What is "true" is always socially constructed and it isn't just a personal definition when I'm not the only one who agrees with it. Instead of being stuck on words and semantics (since you always want to discuss "racist" and "ignorant," etc.) you should focus on the logic and concepts behind the words.

Phasad1913: Davis is the only attractive one in the house. Tyrie was wrong for coming at him like that, especially if D is drunk. It was just a really dumb altercation all the way around.

I understand the logic behind the words. Ignorance overall, in a broad reaching and commonly understood definition, refers to someone who is uninformed, assuming, etc. It is often used as a degrading term, implying a lack of culture or education. Defining as insensitivity is a stretch, in my opinion.

There is a great South Park about people using the term in situations where it doesn't apply. The Michael Jackson one, its great.

Cool.

Does whether or not ignorance includes insensitivity make or break anything, though? That's my point.

Okay.......so MTV just created a new stereotype......:eek:

It does make or break this situation. I'm just talking about the situation on the show. I think you can be cruel, insensitive and just plain wrong, without being ignorant. I just get annoyed at the whole, "oh well he's from the south, he's ignorant, thats why he used that word" thing. If the kid had really picked up such things living in the south, I imagine he wouldnt be gay.

Brooke clearly has an IQ of a houseplant and gets my vote as house drama-queen. She's wandering all around town trying to find the nail salon. Hello. Ever heard of a cell phone? How about trying to call the place and ask them for directions from where you are!

Then when she returns without ever finding the salon, she is so wrapped up in herself-- just about ignoring Colie who is sick with mono and just returned from the hospital! Brooke is absorbed in her own little pity-party. She then takes something Tyrie says totally out of context and goes crying hysterically to her mommie. How old are we?

From the way she was sobbing and carrying on, you'd think she had been robbed or raped.

I also was just flabbergasted at how she's complaining that she's paying $700 a month to keep up her apartment while she's on the Real World. Her mother reminds her that she is kicking in part of the bill-- and Brooke is only paying about $400. Brooke says, "What-ever! Can you throw me a bone here?"

I think mommy and daddy are enabling their little precious daughter and need to cut the strings and let her grow up.

Now on to Alex... I wonder how long it's going to take for him to come down with Mono after swapping spit with Colie! Karma.

I suspect that the cast members are not allowed to use their private cell phones during the Real World filming (3 months?). Therefore they have to use the bugged phone over the 'phone room' to call mom, boyfriend, girl crush whatever.

Okay, wow. I just caught a few episodes of this today and OMGWTFBBQ @ Brooke getting all FREAKED OUT about walking through the "ghetto" -- FIRST OF ALL and without condoning her use of the word "ghetto" -- there is no "ghetto" in Denver, and if there were, it wasn't where she was walking. She wasn't even close to what a normal human who has left her house more than once would consider a dangerous/creepy neighborhood. SECOND OF ALL and not to say it's good or right but freaking DUH if you walk around wearing shorts that barely cover your ass GUYS ARE GOING TO YELL AND COMMENT. Not to say it's good or right, but if you don't want to have that experience, put on some freaking clothes before you go out walking by yourself. Holy crap.

LOL I hate to admit that I watched this, but oh well. It's interesting to see how SCARY and terrible Denver is!

I was thinking the same thing. She looked like a street hooker. I loved how Tyrie and Colie looked confused as hell after Brooke freaked out.

[whiny voice] But but but... she has depression & anxiety - its genetic you know. Its not something you can just control. Its bad enough that she is on medicine for it -- you know, like most of the REST of the FREE WORLD!

Get a freaking grip little whiny brat! I wish Jen would kick her ass.

So far, our public service announcements have been about alcohol (twice); racial harmony; and now depression & anxiety. What's next for the Denver crew?? Sex Ed class - how to act responsible & not be a man-whore, taught by Alex??

I'm just ready for it to be over & one of them show up on a RW/RR challenge show so they can get the crap beat out of them :D