The Seinfeld Dude....
 

I never really got into this Seinfeld show...it seemed to be lacking...something. But I did catch this Michael Richards dude going off on some gents who were talking during his comedy club.... act.

I am sure yall saw the video on this guy dropping the N-word a few times then went to the

"50 years ago, you would have been hanging in a tree with a effing fork shoved up your a$$"

Yeah....nice work funny man..... I suggest the sindication checks go direct deposit because some of the peeps might want to discuss your views on diversity....

Richards...your career is.....FORKED!

I was just talking with a coworker about this whole incident. This confirms that I made the correct choice in not watching these white bread type shows...

Tangent:

I used to like Seinfeld but I think it is significant that popular shows such as those are marketed as mainstream nonracialized comedies that anyone can relate to and laugh at. Yeah, so whites are the majority but they need to go ahead and admit that you won't see black people in most of those shows. These are just friends who go around their lives in a show about random funny things happening--but there are only white people around. Right. :D

However, shows like Martin or Girlfriends are marketed as black comedies or sistagurl shows--even if people could really relate to the content beyond race. One on One has a mixed race cast now so I wonder who it's appealing to. Hell, even the Cosby Show and A Different World had white characters in it from time to time who were allowed to have prominent acting roles.

But this one wasn't nonracialized, because it was marketed as Jewish comedy. I don't think they thought anyone could relate; it just so happened that many people did.

Don't bet your life savings on this.

Oh that's right--the particular TYPE of comedy is often attributed to Jewish people.

I can't agree that Seinfeld was a comdey for any certain race. My father and brother loved that show and got me into watching the reruns after the season finale. Sure, there could have been more diversity on the show, but it was better than Friends in that department. But really, we watched the show because the writing was really good for the actors cast.

Jerry Seinfeld many other "lovable" media icons could be the biggest jerks out there, but because they love making money off their profession, they try their best to hide it. So Richards' tirade doesn't shock me as much as dissapoint me. He was a has-been who could have went out as an all-star but left a bum. Even if he has lots of money, he lost my respect.

1. Should we be shocked by some old guy's rantings?
2. If we are shocked, then did WE, those who identify with being Afrikans in Amerikkklan really think we were accepted into mainstream society?
3. Would he have said that chit in front of the Crips and the Bloods?
4. What would Katt Williams say? Or Mike Epps? Rising careers of comedians who say that chit all the time...
5. Would homie dare show his face up in Def Comedy Jam?
6. Would he do it in front of the King's of Comedy?
7. Does dude have delusions?
8. I am really not trying to do another MD Consult service here...

Everyone you mentioned (well besides most crips and bloods I guess) are much better comedians than Michael Richards. I'm more shocked that you would compare him to the Kings of Comedy than by his actual rant. The guy is a hack in the industry and proved it. The Apollo Amateur Night rejects have more class than him. He didn't write his own character in Seinfeld, so he could also be dumber than rocks too.

On a semi-tangent, I was trying to think about what he could do to redeem himself somehow. He's not really, really old or anything. Maybe he should try to get on Comicview or something like that. I know they wouldn't want him on, but millions of people would tune in to see what happens when he takes the stage. If he could handle it, then I'd take back my criticism of his composure only. His character is still looking pretty bad right now.

I fail to see how I compared this luser to the "King's of Comedy"... I think you have read way too much into what I exactly stated, which clearly was, would homeboy say that same chit in front of them...

Is homey a fairly decent stand-up comedian? He maybe an "okay" actor that was funny, back in the day... And he invoked some of his "contacts" to "jumpstart" his career. If he was trying to make that change, cannot have redemption, ever... Unless he did a stand-up comedy routine at Def Comedy Jam with Russell Simmons... Maybe I'd give him props if he survives...

What's the difference between Michael Richards using the "n-word" versus Katt Williams or Mike Epps--who use it all the time? The audience racial make-up? The "level" of understanding? Richards loses his temper due to a heckler and says racial epithets that were not funny... Katt or Mike say almost the same thing, it's funny as hayle...

The use of the epipthet in language fails to desensitize to "soul damage" it inflicts or the conjectured imagery. That is why that one word is so painful and wrong in any public audience.

But you try explaining that to your friends and the kids and as Darryl James says, Stupid Ass Negroes...

How he could redeem himself ... I'm drawing a blank.

He can redeem himself by apologizing, and that is what he has done. I do not think this man is a racist. He is not the first person to have said something bad about another race or culture.

Seinfeld show wass a show about NOTHING. It was not show about any race of people. They would sit and talk about salsa and mustard.

LOL. Americans are cute.

The Image Gods are on your trail. Hide quickly.

I hope it works now. I even set up a special thingy on my website JUST so I could hotlink images from there to GC, lol

The guy may or may not be racist. He did something wrong and offensive, and it happens daily on all sides. I think thats about all there is to this story.

I love you for this.

I bet people occassionally bring up lynching black people and calling them niggers. Sure, maybe in your neighbourhood.

What an adorable and socially insignificant conclusion.

Oh, i'm sorry, perhaps every time black people beat the sh*t out of white people, it should be on the news. I guess I see your point though, using hateful language is far worse than injuring or killing people. Keep on fighting the fight that matters.

There are rude/insensitive potentially racist people in the world, on all sides. I fail to see why this is such a huge story. I guess it does combine two of America's favorite things, a racial dispute and watching somebody's life crumble.

Sorry GC, Devil made me do it!
 

I apologize GC crew. my neanderthal, evil, innerself came up with these immediate responses to some statements...forgive me!



Take his gra$$whoopin and ask for another!

THAT'S IT...Whoop his gra$$ on Comicview...ON BET...LIVE... If he thought he got heckled before....he ain't seen nothing yet! Aint social reparations a witch?!?

Whoopie and Dave Chappelle can give color commentary...


BTW, do we have an over/under before the OH's (Original Hecklers) get an attorney for pain and suffering???? but that is another story...

Get Behind Me Devil!


WAR: The Late Nipsey Russell with a witty rhyme for this isht

Some of these posts seem absolutely ridiculous to me. First there is the question as to whether or not a man who refers to lynching black people with a fork in their behinds is racist. If that is not racist, I can't imagine what could be racist. Maybe the folk who don't think that he is a racist are just being funny and trying to get a rise out of others. Is it a bad joke?

Then there are the people who want to minimize it and sweep it under the rug as if it is just c'est la vie, oh another fall day. Give me a break people. Some of ya'll can't be serious.

ETA: Absolutely absurd.

SC

Oh geesh, LOL. Some white folks are really reaching with these dumb excuses and analogies--dumb like Richards' reaching to make some Hurricane Katrina connection. The majority of violence is and always has been intraracial. So contact the white people who beat up and kill white people and report back to GC with your findings.

No one gives a damn about Richards' career really. He's a nobody to a large percentage of Americans. This story is all over the news because he's a semi-celebrity attached to a popular show with a popular name. Most importantly, this is one of many constant reminders that race is still salient in this country in some form or another. Some of us don't need such reminders but more often than not many white people do.

The funny part is this:

Some white people are more up in arms over Richards than racial minorities are--defending his honor like he's Gandhi caught on a bad day. You'd think that some white people feel as though he's getting crucified for saying what all white people feel, or something. Keep fighting the good fight, some white people, fight the fight that matters.

I was referring to redeeming his career. His 15 minutes will fizzle eventually and he would probably want another 15, sometime before he dies. I don't care whether he does or not, because there are many more racist people who are more germane to my life right now.

Without a doubt, I believe he is a racist, but then again, who isn't? After watching that video, all I could think was... Jackass!!! and not the funny MTV version either.

I should have put more smiley and sarcastic emoticons on my original post. It's just not my style. I actually agree with everything you said. It was just a boring day at work and the reality of the incident hadn't set in with the co-workers who are cool enough to talk about it.

I do wonder if he would say the exact same stuff in the presence of those comedians. He probably would say it in his head as he sits in the audience or something. :rolleyes:

DSTS, excuses? Pray tell, where did I do that? Oh right, I didn't. I'm saying that because a person makes hateful comments, doesn't mean they're a racist.

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

If anything, it makes him an asshole by default. He may be a racist, I didn't say he wasn't, but simply losing your cool and going for the lowest possible blow against somebody doesn't make you a racist. If you're over the incident already, I applaud that. I just hate to see a verbal racial incident get so much attention when it is so widespread in this country on ALL sides. White people pump up these stories too, probably in an effort to make sure everyone knows they have a black friend or 2 and they could never be racist. I have spite for them as well. I'm equal opportunity.

In your post when you went on the "it happens everyday" and "puppies die when black people victimize white people" tangent. But now you're debating the "racist" topic with me. I never called Richards racist and I'm disinterested in discussing "racism" with you and most people on GC.

The rest of my post has nothing to do with your post.
Some white people need to just concede that they don't understand or will never agree and stop bullshitting and patronizing. Just because you (in general) don't understand or don't sympathize doesn't mean a damn thing. Nonwhites don't need our feelings and behaviors validated by whites for them to be valid and legitimate. You don't think it's a big deal? Then it isn't a big deal to YOU so go ahead and go back to minding your own business then. You want people to just get over it? If you want you can either go back to minding your own business or hold your breath until we decide we're over it--and don't applaud us when we're over it (that was for shinerbock).

The biggest lesson learned that I don't need some white people to either sympathize or disagree with:
Black people need to continue to strive for improvement, success and to combat some of the negatives in our community. Not for white people and to make them "like us" or think highly of us. But for ourselves. We don't need white people to validate US because WE have always been a prideful people. So we need to continue to challenge ourselves and each other to never settle for less than the best. Things like the Richards incident aren't surprising and they won't stop on a societal level. Therefore, we can empower ourselves by first ceasing to act surprised and refusing to give this stuff our undivided attention. Abundantly blessed. :D

DSTS, I'll be happy to go back to my business when people stop bringing us into their business (not talking about you, necc). But its not like black people are simply saying "alright, lets face this issue among ourselves." Anytime a racial issue comes up, like an incident such as this, it gets thrown in America's face by black leaders and in no small part, by the media. So while you may not be doing it, plenty of other people in the black community are doing it.

So basically, I really don't care what Richards did. He doesn't really represent anyone or influence anyone, hopefully. While this would normally mean I'd drop it, I unfortunately don't have the ability to do that when I look at threads and see people saying things like "this just shows how much racism still exists..." Thats right, it does, but it seems we're only interested in talking/complaining about it (on this site at least) when its white on black.

This doesn't mean they really want your opinions or validation.

BTW, when will people stop using "black leaders?" I'm still waiting for a roster of the "white leaders."

Did anyone see his interview on David Letterman the other night? If so, your thoughts?

I saw it. It was pretty sad. But not really.

First of all, he called us "Afro-Americans" which the crowd laughed at. I mean, it was kinda of funny, but not guffaw funny. Then Jerry told the crowd "Stop laughing. It's not funny." Which I found REALLY kinda..... I dunno.... condescending. Because CLEARLY these people stood in line to be entertained, not to get the "exclusive" apology from Kramer.

Anyway.... do I still believe that he is racist, even after the apology? Yes, I do.

He's sorry he got caught, in my opinion. And Jerry is his friend and all, and I support loyalty, most def. But the fact that Season 7 of Seinfeld came out this week..... it's just all too fishy. Jerry don't want nobody messing with his money, I'm sure.

I really don't have a dog in this fight, but in regards to ^^^I reall feel like you are one post away from saying, "your people, or you all". I feel like Richards career is washed up. Hell, it was washed up before this. He is just some type-cast actor who tried to make some money on the side. If as a comedian, you cannot handle hecklers, then you are indeed not a comedian. Just like if I could not take an occasional heckle from a student, I would be a bad educator. That does not give me the right to personal degrade anyone regardless of what I think of them in my head. I believe the man is a racist...don't even apologize in my opinion because you are not sorry for the thought, but for the repercussion of the thought.

It reads like you do. ;)

DSTS, I don't care if they want my validation or not, if you throw it out into the public arena, you don't get to decide who gets to talk about it. The reason I say black leaders is because thats generally what they're called. I would say I'd call them whatever term you prefer, but I frankly don't care what one person chooses to get huffy about.

Also, if I were to say "you people" I wouldn't be referring to black people, I'd be referring to anyone who decides that one guy's demeaning rant should now be the central focus of everything in America. Maybe GreekChat should just invent a new feature which locks white republican guys out of threads where the topic is bitching about white folks. That might help everyone.

It's not about caring if they want it. Like I said, some white people just insert themselves because they automatically assume their opinion and validation are needed. Public arena or not.

I never asked you for that so it's fantabulous that you don't care. Once again, what you say or do won't add any more or less credibility to my stance.

This is a dumb attempt at whatever you were attempting. Certainly you don't propose that white republicans (who are males) would all agree with you on everything you've ever typed about race on GC. But if the only thing you've gotten from such discussions is "bitching about white folks" then I suggest that we're back to where I started with you: We don't need you to understand or to validate.

I'm not sure what Jews had to do with this, but it's great that some of you brought it up in this thread and in the one in the Entertainment forum. Really, no biases of any sort is evident in those comments.

And I'm sure his racist comments justified comments such as "Cracker" and "White boy" as well.

http://www.mindspring.com/~jaypsand/Uganda5.jpg
Look at this Jewish girl from Uganda...she is racist against blacks.

http://www.bneimenashe.com/photo1.jpg
Look at these Jewish girls from India...they are racist against blacks.

It would be great if for once you brought up Hispanics or Chinese people out of nowhere in a thread about racism.

-Rudey

What the Hell does that mean?
Your opinion is not the only one that matters on this subject. You have managed to quote almost everybody in this thread. We don't need your personal commentary on each and everybody's statements. Everybody that reads these posts are capable of coming up with their on point of view without your help.:rolleyes: