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ufkappachiguy 11-13-2006 04:24 PM

Christian Fraternity colonizes University of Central Florida
 
KYX, or Keeping Under Chist, will be establishing its eleventh colony since 1993 at the University of Central Florida in Orlando this spring.

Fifteen men will be establishing the chapter with the help of a national representative living in the Orlando area and the University of Florida Theta chapter. They will be inducted this January and initiated this April by the UF chapter and members of the National Board of Directors.

This chapter marks the third chapter of Kappa Chi in the Sunshine State. The University of Florida chapter was founded by six men in 2004 and currently has sixty initiates and the Florida State University chapter was founded by three men in late 2005 and has seven men.

There are interest groups seeking to form new chapters of KYX at the University of Southern Mississippi, the University of Kentucky, New Mexico State University, University of Louisville and the Ohio State University.

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Alpha Sig Scott 11-13-2006 04:38 PM

My church youth group was called Kappa Chi back in the 70's.

Congratulations on the expansion of your franternity!

TSteven 11-13-2006 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ufkappachiguy (Post 1356635)
Louisville University

FYI: It's University of Louisville.

And congratulations on y'all's expansion.

DSTCHAOS 11-13-2006 08:16 PM

That is a blessing and I love your name. :)

navane 11-13-2006 08:47 PM

Wow, congratulations on your new chapter!


.....Kelly :)

Elephant Walk 11-14-2006 12:29 AM

Would an all-male church group suffice?

Also, which was first BYX (brothers under christ) and KYX (Keepers Under Christ). Keepers doesn't make all that much sense not gonna lie.

DSTCHAOS 11-14-2006 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1356944)
KYX (Keepers Under Christ). Keepers doesn't make all that much sense not gonna lie.


But Keeping Under Christ (KYX) makes complete sense.

Elephant Walk 11-14-2006 12:52 AM

not really. God, why can't it just be Keeping Under Christ, an all male association?

macallan25 11-14-2006 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1356944)
Would an all-male church group suffice?

Also, which was first BYX (brothers under christ) and KYX (Keepers Under Christ). Keepers doesn't make all that much sense not gonna lie.


I think BYX was founded here at Texas in the mid 80s

ufkappachiguy 11-14-2006 01:40 AM

BYX was founded in 1985 at UT - Austin. They have twenty chapters in six states.

Sigma Phi Lambda was founded in 1988 at UT - Austin (Sorority). They have 22 chapters in six states I believe.

KYX was founded in 1993 at Texas Tech and we have 10 chapters and one colony in five states.

ufkappachiguy 11-14-2006 01:43 AM

Also, we were founded by two men who were Phi Gamma Deltas and two guys who were involved in Christian Leadership at Texas Tech. They wanted to make a fraternity that was similar to a Traditional Greek IFC Fraternity that focused as a Discipleship for Christian Men similar to a Church Group.

The way we get it told is that the Fraternal bonds are strong as are bonds between Christians therefore the bond is strongest for us if we combine the two.

Elephant Walk 11-14-2006 03:15 AM

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I think BYX was founded here at Texas in the mid 80
Top-tier old row then, eh?

freckles 11-14-2006 08:23 AM

I just want a chat with somebody over general life - sorry no flirty stuff - I'm not into --

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Originally Posted by Alpha Sig Scott (Post 1356642)
My church youth group was called Kappa Chi back in the 70's.

Congratulations on the expansion of your franternity!


DSTCHAOS 11-14-2006 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1356960)
not really. God, why can't it just be Keeping Under Christ, an all male association?

:confused: ...................

DSTCHAOS 11-14-2006 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BetaRose (Post 1357050)
Not to fuel the flames, but at least at UCF and UF (and probably at most other public universities) the only way to have a single gender student organization is to be recognized as a fraternity or sorority. All other student groups must be co-ed.


Oh, now I get what he's saying. He's wondering why they aren't a group instead of a fraternity. I thought he was saying "Keeping Under Christ" didn't make sense.

Possible answer in addition to the one you provided: Because they want to be a fraternity. Probably in response to the culture of GLOs that they have witnessed so they want an alternative for people who live a certain lifestyle. This is a Christian fraternity whereas some fraternities are only founded on some Christian principles.

MysticCat 11-14-2006 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BetaRose (Post 1357050)
Not to fuel the flames, but at least at UCF and UF (and probably at most other public universities) the only way to have a single gender student organization is to be recognized as a fraternity or sorority. All other student groups must be co-ed.

That's generally the case at all schools, whether public or private, if the organization wants school recognition. Title IX, as implemented and enforced by the Department of Education, basically forbids any school that receives federal funds from granting official recognition to single-sex organizations. There is a specific exemption for social fraternities and sororities.

Besides, if they want a fraternity, they should be able to start a fraternity.

That said, Keeping Under Christ doesn't make much sense to me either -- not that it needs to and not that my opinion matters or should matter. I mean, I understand what it means (I think), but it just seems like an odd phrase. I figured it's just one of those phrases that would be familiar to people in some but not all traditions of Christianity.

More power to them!

DSTCHAOS 11-14-2006 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1357059)
That said, Keeping Under Christ doesn't make much sense to me either -- not that it needs to and not that my opinion matters or should matter. I mean, I understand what it means (I think), but it just seems like an odd phrase. I figured it's just one of those phrases that would be familiar to people in some but not all traditions of Christianity.

More power to them!

To put it how KYX put it: "we are first and foremost bound by the love of Jesus Christ, God's son, our Savior."


Out of curiosity:
What Christians (or nonChristians, for that matter who can understand it logically if not religiously) won't understand being kept and to remain under Christ? No matter what the denomination of Christianity, don't we all profess to be kept and to remain under Christ? A lot of Christians use this as a profession of faith--to be kept under His blood and to keep under Jesus in mind, body, and spirit.

Drolefille 11-14-2006 11:56 AM

I think it's the phrasing. I've never heard that type of phrasing ever. I can understand being "kept" under Christ (although I would never phrase it that way) but saying "keeping under Christ" to me implies that you are the active party and not Christ. It's not Christ keeping you.. it's you maintaining it yourself.

*shrug*

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but it took your comment to explain it.

DSTCHAOS 11-14-2006 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1357081)
but saying "keeping under Christ" to me implies that you are the active party and not Christ. It's not Christ keeping you.. it's you maintaining it yourself.

Christians are the active party in making sure we keep under Christ. Christ is the active party in keeping and sheltering us.

Being a devout person of any faith takes a sense of agency and activity on the part of the believers. It is a constant test and testament of faith. :)

MysticCat 11-14-2006 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1357081)
I think it's the phrasing. I've never heard that type of phrasing ever. I can understand being "kept" under Christ (although I would never phrase it that way) but saying "keeping under Christ" to me implies that you are the active party and not Christ. It's not Christ keeping you.. it's you maintaining it yourself.

That's exactly what I was thinking, both as to who is the "active party" and the phrasing itself. It's sort of like talking about "getting saved" or being asked "when were you saved?". I know exactly what people mean when they say those things, but they're phrases I have never heard used in my own tradition and that I associate with more evangelical traditions. It's just not the way we talk.

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1357096)
Christians are the active party in making sure we keep under Christ. Christ is the active party in keeping and sheltering us.

Being a devout person of any faith takes a sense of agency and activity on the part of the believers. It is a constant test and testament of faith. :)

Maybe, but I can tell you that traditional Presbyterianism, rooted in Calvinism, would always look at God or Christ as the ultimate active party, and would say, without denying free will or human responsibility, that our ability to make sure we "keep under Christ" is completely dependent on God's grace that keeps us. That's one reason why, like Drolefille, it would sound a little more understandable to me to say "kept under Christ" than "keeping under Christ." That, and when I hear "Keeping Under Christ," my initial reaction is to ask "keeping what under Christ?"

Drolefille 11-14-2006 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1357113)
That's exactly what I was thinking, both as to who is the "active party" and the phrasing itself. It's sort of like talking about "getting saved" or being asked "when were you saved?". I know exactly what people mean when they say those things, but they're phrases I have never heard used in my own tradition and that I associate with more evangelical traditions. It's just not the way we talk.

Maybe, but I can tell you that traditional Presbyterianism, rooted in Calvinism, would always look at God or Christ as the ultimate active party, and would say, without denying free will or human responsibility, that our ability to make sure we "keep under Christ" is completely dependent on God's grace that keeps us. That's one reason why, like Drolefille, it would sound a little more understandable to me to say "kept under Christ" than "keeping under Christ." That, and when I hear "Keeping Under Christ," my initial reaction is to ask "keeping what under Christ?"

When I hear keep under Christ I do think of standing under a Crucifix. But then I'm Catholic so just like "Being Saved" (which in our view is a moot point) "Keeping Under Christ" might be better expressed as following God's will/ living in a Christlike manner, etc.

DSTCHAOS 11-14-2006 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1357113)
that our ability to make sure we "keep under Christ" is completely dependent on God's grace that keeps us.

I never said that it was not contingent upon God's grace but we have to seek that grace and are testified by faith. Being saved means that we have been given God's grace and are therefore expected to live our lives accordingly. "Live our lives" meaning being active participants in living a saved life in which we are devout in faith.

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1357113)
That's one reason why, like Drolefille, it would sound a little more understandable to me to say "kept under Christ" than "keeping under Christ." That, and when I hear "Keeping Under Christ," my initial reaction is to ask "keeping what under Christ?"

Our hearts, our minds, our being.

If you overthink anything it won't make sense.

DSTCHAOS 11-14-2006 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1357116)
"Keeping Under Christ" might be better expressed as following God's will/ living in a Christlike manner, etc.

So you do understand. It's simply a faith-based catch phrase.

Drolefille 11-14-2006 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1357125)
So you do understand. It's simply a faith-based catch phrase.

Yeah, like I said, I get it. It's just odd phrasing to me and MysticCat.

:)

MysticCat 11-14-2006 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1357124)
I never said that it was not contingent upon God's grace but we have to seek that grace and are testified by faith.

Okay, getting off topic here, but as long as we are: The Christian tradition in which I was brought up and of which I am still part says that we cannot even seek God's grace without first receiving God's grace. In other words, God's grace seeks us, and we respond. We cannot seek it out on our own.

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Being saved means that we have been given God's grace and are therefore expected to change our lives accordingly.
I understand that, but as I said, it's a way of expressing it that is foreign to me. I understand exactly what it means, just like I might understand French or German. But very, very few Presbyterians I have come in contact with speak in terms of "being saved," and if you ask one when he or she was saved, the answer is likely to be (as my grandmother did in fact answer) "when the foundations of the world were laid," or at the least "on Calvary 2000 years ago." ;)

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If you overthink anything it won't make sense.
I'm not overthinking anything at all (although it is arguable that as one of God's Frozen People and a lawyer, I'm prone to overthink anything). I said at the outset that I thought I understood the meaning of the phrase, but that the phrase itself doesn't make much sense to me because the phraseology -- the manner in which the thought is expressed -- is foreign to me. In other words, I pretty much know what the words mean, but I would never express it that way, partially because I just don't talk that way and partially because I would be more used to a different emphasis -- "kept" rather than "keeping." That's why it sounds odd to me, that's why the phrase made me stop to try and figure out exactly what was meant, and that's why I'm not sure I would agree with the sentiment it conveys.

ufkappachiguy 11-14-2006 01:08 PM

Being that our main focus is Christian Accountability and keeping eachother accountable and focused on our Christian walks in college; Keeping Under Christ is much like "Keeping eachother focused on our Christian mission" and therefore Keeping eachother under Christ's guidance. No question as to who the savior is for that but thats the idea of the phrase.

DSTCHAOS 11-14-2006 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ufkappachiguy (Post 1357136)
Being that our main focus is Christian Accountability and keeping eachother accountable and focused on our Christian walks in college; Keeping Under Christ is much like "Keeping eachother focused on our Christian mission" and therefore Keeping eachother under Christ's guidance. No question as to who the savior is for that but thats the idea of the phrase.

That's cool. So as a brotherhood you aren't just keeping yourself but you are keeping each other focused. :D Cool.

DSTCHAOS 11-14-2006 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1357135)
I understand exactly what it means


Good. :)

Drolefille 11-14-2006 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1357135)
Okay, getting off topic here, but as long as we are: The Christian tradition in which I was brought up and of which I am still part says that we cannot even seek God's grace without first receiving God's grace. In other words, God's grace seeks us, and we respond. We cannot seek it out on our own.

I understand that, but as I said, it's a way of expressing it that is foreign to me. I understand exactly what it means, just like I might understand French or German. But very, very few Presbyterians I have come in contact with speak in terms of "being saved," and if you ask one when he or she was saved, the answer is likely to be (as my grandmother did in fact answer) "when the foundations of the world were laid," or at the least "on Calvary 2000 years ago." ;)

I'm not overthinking anything at all (although it is arguable that as one of God's Frozen People and a lawyer, I'm prone to overthink anything). I said at the outset that I thought I understood the meaning of the phrase, but that the phrase itself doesn't make much sense to me because the phraseology -- the manner in which the thought is expressed -- is foreign to me. In other words, I pretty much know what the words mean, but I would never express it that way, partially because I just don't talk that way and partially because I would be more used to a different emphasis -- "kept" rather than "keeping." That's why it sounds odd to me, that's why the phrase made me stop to try and figure out exactly what was meant, and that's why I'm not sure I would agree with the sentiment it conveys.

Have I mentioned I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter? Cause I do. :D

MysticCat 11-14-2006 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ufkappachiguy (Post 1357136)
Being that our main focus is Christian Accountability and keeping eachother accountable and focused on our Christian walks in college; Keeping Under Christ is much like "Keeping eachother focused on our Christian mission" and therefore Keeping eachother under Christ's guidance. No question as to who the savior is for that but thats the idea of the phrase.

Thanks very much for that explanation.

And best of luck!


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