Pro/Con Forum Master List
 

As there appears to be confusion over who supports the AI Forum and who is in favor of closing the forum, I am volunteering to compile a master list.

Please refrain from posting anything other than "Pro" if you are for the continuation of this forum, and "Con" if you are in favor of this forum being deleted.

By posting "Con" you are not asserting you are anti AI. You are asserting that you do not wish there to be a GC AI Forum.

The mods and John can do as they please with this information, or not.

Point of information: GC has several 1000 posters. Many of these no longer post. The people who respond in this thread are the more common posters who are part of day-to-day GC.

Thanks. Please correct me if my info does not reflect your feelings. I have pulled the initial pro/con from the current debate thread. Please post below with Pro or Con and I will update the list.

Those who don't reply don't have an interest or concern in this issue, and thereby the topic is no importance to them. I personally think the opinions of NIC members is not important to this issue, as it deals with sororities, and I won't include them on this list although they have posted.

Pro: I support the continuation of an AI Forum
Blueangel
KDOnline
Ms_gwyn
Alphagamuga
Seussn10
Navane
Asalady
Lake

Con: I support the deletion of the AI Forum
ADPiUCF
BaylorBean
Valkyrie
OtterXO
BlueGBI
KDDani
SmartBlondeGPhB
Buttonz
ariesrising
_Lisa_
33girl
OTW
TrueBlueKappa
Tippiechick
Sdsuchelle
texas*princess
tinydancer
KSUViolet06
AChiOSnap
AlphaFrog
Greekalum
Midwesterngirl
Centaur532
Bluefish81
FuzzieAlum
AXOAlum
AOIIAlum
Kstar
Chitownxo
IndyGPhiB
ThetaDancer
Glitter650
SydneyK
KLPDaisy
ADQTPiMel
KunjaPrincess
Leslie Anne
DolphinChicaDDD
Xylochick
SoCalGirl
CutiePie2000
EE-BO
irishpipes
GeekyPenguin
AUDeltaGam
Amycat412
Lauralaylin
TriDeltaGal
Scbelle
Thetaprincess24
BetteDavisEyes
LilHannah
PeppyGPhiB
AEPhiSierra
KatieKate1244
PM_Mama00
Jill1228
PeachesNCream
ASUADPi

There are those who posted opinions on the other thread, but I was not sure if you were pro/con. Please let me know and I will update this list. Thanks.

ETA: Changes. This is just a list that I compiled after reading through the other thread b/c I was curious about who was for and who was not. I'm with SydneyK. I think PT and carnation are busy enough as it is and do a good job. This forum isn't worth the effort to police "shoppers," "sunshine blowers" and "snark-divers." Please keep replies to pro/con, so we can keep this list running. I am genuinely curious to see the split of opinion.

To keep this post OPEN, please limit replies to pro or con and reserve debate for the current debate thread. Thanks for your help!!!

Con

con

But if every thread is closed after 3 posts, what's the point of the forum? Eventually, PNAIs would realize that the entire forum is nothing but locked posts, and stop posting there. I realize that the goal would be accomplished, but isn't that a bass-ackward way of doing it? Wouldn't just deleting it be easier?

Heh, I knew it was a matter of time before the AIs on the list would be called hypocrites. :)

Yeah, I figured that was coming. It was helpful to me AT THE TIME, but the subforum's time has come and gone. I still say con.

con.

Con.

Con

Someone correct me if I'm wrong... but, I think the reasoning behind this is so there would still be a place for PNAIs to post their story. But, if any PNAIs get too specific or solicit recommendations, then that thread will get locked. So, every thread wouldn't be closed after 3 posts, but the way the atmosphere here been around here lately, I'm sure it would be a great deal of them (avoiding the term "majority" so as to avoid being vague or misleading).

At least, that's the way I interpreted the whole thing. :confused:

I'm con. Mainly because I think the PT and Carnation do enough without having to add those additional "policing" responsibilities.

Wow, I can' t believe I actually voted on this. :rolleyes:

con

I'm in favor of letting people talk about what they want to as much as possible. It makes no difference to me if it's in on a combined AI subforum in the recruitment section or AI subforum in each GLOs forum.

Con.

Unless it is just to post their success stories after the fact!

Can we make a "knowledge of AI isn't ritual, b/c people on this board are AIs and outspoken about it, therefore if it were ritual they should have ther membership cancelled, but it's not, so they won't, so who cares if we have the forum" addendum?


Seriously, why does everyone seem to have their 'panties in a bunch' over this topic?

Oh, I'd be really tempted to sign on to that.

(except that I do care: about people being allowed to discuss anything they want to that doesn't violate policy)

I don't think it IS ritual, unless all "information for members only" is considered "ritual" by certain orgs. But I think we should respect other organization's right to keep who they choose for AI and how they do it to themselves. We don't go around speculating in the undergraduate recruitment threads about which organizations have which policies about choosing their members- I don't know why we think it's appropriate at the alumnae leve.

If the people making decisions in your organization don't even WANT you discussing this online (because we all know how they luuuuuurve GreekChat), WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT MEMBERS SHOULD BE FREE TO DISCUSS ANYTHING THEY WANT?

Seriously, if you're legit (you still haven't introduced yourself in the Roll Call, btw), just let it go.

Just the basic expectations of free discussion within the rules of TOS and GLO policy as I understand it.

Point out to me where I can find a statement from our organization that backs up your claims about GreekChat or online discussions generally. Your repeating it over and over to me in all caps isn't as convincing as you intend it to be.

Con.

You don't need an online statement toots.

I, along with several GCers who've met International Council members at Conventions, TLCs, and the like -- know for a fact that THEY DO NOT LIKE GREEKCHAT.

If you want that to come from the horse's mouth, I'm sure an International Officer contacting you can be arranged.

Or you can start with agd4rie, since she is a chapter sister and all (that is, if you really are a Gamma Alpha). :)

Sure
 

Sure, arrange it. That'd be great.
If you know they hate it, why do you post?

I don't post often but please add me to the pro list. This section didn't get out of control, until a group of you decided to turn threads in the train wrecks. Take your personal opinions out of individuals threads and your side topics else where. If you don't like people who are "sorority shopping", then don't initiate them into your specific sorority. If you don't want people contacting your organization directly and want to reserve alumni initiation for the people who are recommended by members, then don't initiate them. I think this forum is and can be useful.

Please verify your membership with the AGD moderator, thanks.

Back to ignore.

Con

Con

Con

con

con

con

Thank you for taking the time to do this poll.

Three was a random number. (Yes it is.. ;))

I meant, some small number of posts...definitely minus any snark.

I don't think it's backwards. In fact, it can help us see how much interest there is in AI. None of us currently on GC are privy to that information through our HQs, AFAIK. So why not let it be discussed here?

ETA: Oh, and for the record, just because I believe there should be an AI forum does not mean I strongly believe in AI for the masses. In fact, quite the opposite. AI is for the VERY select few.

Con

If the sub-forum contained stories about life after AI, I would support it. For example, how an AI struggled to learn fraternity education, how an AI feels when around regularly-initiated sisters, highs and lows since going through the process, etc. However, it seems that the only threads that anybody posts to are the "I am trying to AI" stories. These trouble me greatly. I don't really want a ZTA (or any GLO) alumna encouraging a freakshow to proceed with AI into my fraternity.

Con!

Con.

con

Con.

After much thought, I'm con. I just don't see any good happening here anymore.

Although I frequently read GC, I rarely post anymore but I feel so strongly about this that I'm compelled to post.

CON

I've gotta go con. Unless it's like the threads that irishpipes proposed-- life-after-AI topics.

Con

Although I think there should be a forum for alumnae initiates, just not under the recruitment heading -- maybe under alumnae involvement. Also it should be made clear that it is NOT a place to solicit recommendations or information about AI-ing.

Pro